"Hero Passenger Pilot" Exposed

[dilligaf]

When you have fake-ass media, you have them sucking up to fake-ass stories.

I didn't believe all that nonsense from the media, either.
I could land a Caravan, too, but I also know to pull out the checklist for flap settings and landing speeds. When it comes down to it, it's just a bigger 172.
And that guy allegedly knows nothing?

Bullshit.   He is a LIAR.

[cbisbig]

Wasn’t the atc that talked him thru the landing a former flight instructor?

[dilligaf]

May 20, 2022 6:31:53 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Wasn’t the atc that talked him thru the landing a former flight instructor?

Watch the video. 
That controller was down in the radar room which has no visibility of the airfield.  You have to SEE what an airplane is doing during final approach to call out the necessary corrections that must be made in an instant.   You either have to be in the cockpit or right next to the runway on the ground.

The supposed non-pilot instantly called out that they were at 9100 ft. and level when he gained control.

If you are not a pilot, can YOU read an altimeter?

Would you know where the push-to-talk button is on the radio?

I want to hear the ENTIRE ATC broadcast (they are all recorded) from start to finish.

No, the plane was NOT in a nosedive.  The guy in the right seat had started a descending right turn, and was controlling the plane even though he is not a pilot, either.   Removing the pilot from the left seat probably turned off the autopilot, which can be switched on or off by a button on the control wheel.

Would you know where the A/P button is?

[daleko]

May 20, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

May 20, 2022 6:31:53 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Wasn’t the atc that talked him thru the landing a former flight instructor?

Watch the video. 
That controller was down in the radar room which has no visibility of the airfield.  You have to SEE what an airplane is doing during final approach to call out the necessary corrections that must be made in an instant.   You either have to be in the cockpit or right next to the runway on the ground.

The supposed non-pilot instantly called out that they were at 9100 ft. and level when he gained control.

If you are not a pilot, can YOU read an altimeter? Which one?   Would he know the difference?

Would you know where the push-to-talk button is on the radio?

I want to hear the ENTIRE ATC broadcast (they are all recorded) from start to finish.

No, the plane was NOT in a nosedive.  The guy in the right seat had started a descending right turn, and was controlling the plane even though he is not a pilot, either.   Removing the pilot from the left seat probably turned off the autopilot, which can be switched on or off by a button on the control wheel.

Would you know where the A/P button is?

I agree, seems far fetched.

Could a non-pilot do this? I doubt it. Even if you dumbed it down.

Could one land an old Stearman YF trainer, into the wind? Possibly. Assuming he had been flying around a bit before the instructor bought it, maybe even probably. But as you know, in a time of stress, most minimally trained/untrained folks have ham hands. With a tailwind? Probably not.

[cbisbig]

May 20, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

May 20, 2022 6:31:53 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Wasn’t the atc that talked him thru the landing a former flight instructor?

Watch the video. 
That controller was down in the radar room which has no visibility of the airfield.  You have to SEE what an airplane is doing during final approach to call out the necessary corrections that must be made in an instant.   You either have to be in the cockpit or right next to the runway on the ground.

The supposed non-pilot instantly called out that they were at 9100 ft. and level when he gained control.

If you are not a pilot, can YOU read an altimeter?

Would you know where the push-to-talk button is on the radio?

I want to hear the ENTIRE ATC broadcast (they are all recorded) from start to finish.

No, the plane was NOT in a nosedive.  The guy in the right seat had started a descending right turn, and was controlling the plane even though he is not a pilot, either.   Removing the pilot from the left seat probably turned off the autopilot, which can be switched on or off by a button on the control wheel.

Would you know where the A/P button is?

I don't know anything about piloting an airplane Mutt, i also dont think it would be that hard to spot the altimiter

[daleko]

May 20, 2022 15:10:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

May 20, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

I don't know anything about piloting an airplane Mutt, i also dont think it would be that hard to spot the altimiter

Generally not hard but sometimes there are two. One reads from sea level and one radar from the ground. As I understand it and I'm not a pilot. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, last night.

[Panama pfRedd]

May 20, 2022 18:19:15 GMT -5 daleko said:

May 20, 2022 15:10:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

I don't know anything about piloting an airplane Mutt, i also dont think it would be that hard to spot the altimiter

Generally not hard but sometimes there are two. One reads from sea level and one radar from the ground. As I understand it and I'm not a pilot. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, last night.

Not last night but after party in Lake Geneva too?

[dilligaf]

May 20, 2022 12:49:30 GMT -5 daleko said:

May 20, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Watch the video. 
That controller was down in the radar room which has no visibility of the airfield.  You have to SEE what an airplane is doing during final approach to call out the necessary corrections that must be made in an instant.   You either have to be in the cockpit or right next to the runway on the ground.

The supposed non-pilot instantly called out that they were at 9100 ft. and level when he gained control.

If you are not a pilot, can YOU read an altimeter? Which one?   Would he know the difference?

Would you know where the push-to-talk button is on the radio?

I want to hear the ENTIRE ATC broadcast (they are all recorded) from start to finish.

No, the plane was NOT in a nosedive.  The guy in the right seat had started a descending right turn, and was controlling the plane even though he is not a pilot, either.   Removing the pilot from the left seat probably turned off the autopilot, which can be switched on or off by a button on the control wheel.

Would you know where the A/P button is?

I agree, seems far fetched.

Could a non-pilot do this? I doubt it. Even if you dumbed it down.

Could one land an old Stearman YF trainer, into the wind? Possibly. Assuming he had been flying around a bit before the instructor bought it, maybe even probably. But as you know, in a time of stress, most minimally trained/untrained folks have ham hands. With a tailwind? Probably not.

A Stearman would be actually harder to land.   With that tailwheel, you have to keep the tail up off the ground as long as possible and be working the rudder the whole time.  A tailwheel airplane tends to want to swap ends if you aren't careful, while a tricycle gear plane tends to track straight down the runway.
The hardest part of landing is BEFORE you land.  Come in too fast and too steep, and you will hit the pavement and start bouncing.   Once you get out of synch with the bounce, you are screwed.  An experienced pilot knows that all he has to do is add full power, keep the airplane slightly nose up and it will fly away from the killer ground.   Then you come back around and try it again, a bit more stabilized .... slower and shallower.

A panicked non-pilot will try to make the airplane stay on the ground no matter what, and most likely wreck the plane at the wrong time.

The worst case scenario would be a taildragger with a good crosswind.

[dilligaf]

May 20, 2022 15:10:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

May 20, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Watch the video. 
That controller was down in the radar room which has no visibility of the airfield.  You have to SEE what an airplane is doing during final approach to call out the necessary corrections that must be made in an instant.   You either have to be in the cockpit or right next to the runway on the ground.

The supposed non-pilot instantly called out that they were at 9100 ft. and level when he gained control.

If you are not a pilot, can YOU read an altimeter?

Would you know where the push-to-talk button is on the radio?

I want to hear the ENTIRE ATC broadcast (they are all recorded) from start to finish.

No, the plane was NOT in a nosedive.  The guy in the right seat had started a descending right turn, and was controlling the plane even though he is not a pilot, either.   Removing the pilot from the left seat probably turned off the autopilot, which can be switched on or off by a button on the control wheel.

Would you know where the A/P button is?

I don't know anything about piloting an airplane Mutt, i also dont think it would be that hard to spot the altimiter

Spotting the altitude clock and reading it are two different things, especially if you are above 10,000 ft. MSL.
And if you are over the mountains, 10,000 ft MSL might only 200ft AGL.    And you better know the difference.

[dilligaf]

May 20, 2022 18:19:15 GMT -5 daleko said:

May 20, 2022 15:10:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

I don't know anything about piloting an airplane Mutt, i also dont think it would be that hard to spot the altimiter

Generally not hard but sometimes there are two. One reads from sea level and one radar from the ground. As I understand it and I'm not a pilot. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, last night.

Not very many small airplanes have radar altimeters.   And neither one can tell you the height of the terrain you are approaching.

Most small planes don't have TAWS (Terrain Awareness and Warning System) either.

General rule of thumb ---- don't be an emergency pilot on a small plane in the clouds or bad weather at night.    Now you have to deal with vertigo, too.

You are dead.

I would be too most likely, even though I DO have training in flying on instruments only.  But I never had to do it for real, by myself.

My only hope would be to get the plane as high as it could go, if we are oxygen capable, squawk  7700, dial in 121.5 on the backup radio, and broadcast MayDay x3 on the freq currently in use.  No response, and 121.5 is the universal emergency freq that everyone is required to moniitor.

If you have kept the engine(s) running at cruise power, wings level, and at 10,000 feet or better in the eastern U.S., they can probably find you on radar and give you a chance to live.

The rules in an emergency are

Aviate     ----  keep the airplane under control ............  the easy part

Navigate  ---------   stay away from the ground, trees, and mountains, and look for roads, cities, etc.   Know which way the plane is going (N,E,W,S).

Communicate ----- find somebody to talk to.

[Walter]

BTW, Not to hijack the thread, but for all you Breaking Bad fans out there, the guy in the clip watching the radar as the plane goes up and down, finally saying, "What an asshole", is the same guy who plays Mike in BB.

[dilligaf]

May 20, 2022 23:35:47 GMT -5 Walter said:

BTW, Not to hijack the thread, but for all you Breaking Bad fans out there, the guy in the clip watching the radar as the plane goes up and down, finally saying, "What an asshole", is the same guy who plays Mike in BB.

I remember first seeing (as in "noticing") Jonathan Banks in the TV series "Wiseguy."

The f-lbg-word Johnny in the "Airplane!" control tower was one of my favorite characters.
"Just kidding!"

[cbisbig]

May 24, 2022 13:16:15 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

May 20, 2022 23:35:47 GMT -5 Walter said:

BTW, Not to hijack the thread, but for all you Breaking Bad fans out there, the guy in the clip watching the radar as the plane goes up and down, finally saying, "What an asshole", is the same guy who plays Mike in BB.

I remember first seeing (as in "noticing") Jonathan Banks in the TV series "Wiseguy."

The f-lbg-word Johnny in the "Airplane!" control tower was one of my favorite characters.
"Just kidding!"

😂😁