Congratulations Alabama - Constitutional Carry as of today!

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Alabama to allow concealed guns without permit in 2023

KIM CHANDLER
Fri, December 30, 2022 at 12:24 PM CST

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Alabama on Jan. 1 will become the latest state to allow people to carry a concealed handgun without a state permit that requires a background check.

The new state law ends the requirement for a person to get a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun in public. A person can still choose to get a permit if they want to do so.

The proposal had been introduced unsuccessfully for years in Montgomery, before winning approval this year. The legislation was championed by gun rights advocates who call it “constitutional carry,” in reference to the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Opponents, including state sheriffs and others in law enforcement, argued the permits help combat crime and enhance public safety.

The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, which lobbied for the Alabama legislation, said in April that 25 states now allow permitless carry.

“It’s going to be a big step to help the average law-abiding citizen to keep them from having to go through the hoops of getting a permit to carry their weapons,” Rep. Shane Stringer, the legislation’s sponsor, said. Stringer noted the law only impacts the permit requirement. “It's not going change who can and cannot carry a gun. People that are prohibited now are still prohibited.”

The Alabama Sheriffs Association had opposed the legislation. “Alabama sheriffs are clear on the law taking effect Jan. 1 and have adjusted accordingly,” said Lee County Sheriff Jay Jones, president of the Alabama Sheriffs’ Association

Jones and Stringer said there are still reasons a person might consider getting a permit. Jones said, “maintaining an Alabama concealed carry permit is wise when traveling out of state; reciprocity applies — other states may require non-residents to have a permit from their state of residence.”

Stringer noted that people should remember there continue to be places where weapons are banned entirely for security reasons, such as a courthouses.

Alabama lawmakers, under pressure from gun rights enthusiasts, approved the measure during the last legislative session. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey almost immediately signed the legislation into law and highlighted her support in her reelection campaign. The ad showed the governor sitting at her desk at the Alabama Capitol and pulling a small handgun out of her purse, along with a lipstick and cell phone.

Republican lawmakers who previously opposed the legislation said they were more comfortable voting for it this time because the state was developing a “prohibited persons” database to help officers flag people who are banned from possessing a handgun because of their criminal history and other reasons. The database was mandated by an earlier state law creating an option to get a lifetime concealed carry permit.

Stringer, a former deputy sheriff and former chief of the Satsuma Police Department, said the database was a major factor in his decision to sponsor the bill.

Proponents of the bill argued that will be a better system to remove guns from people who cannot legally possess them. Opponents argued the database will only be as good as the data that is entered into it and information gaps will be inevitable.

Hal Taylor, the head of the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency, sent Ivey a memo on Sept. 30 saying the database had been developed as required by state law.

“Whether issuing a routine traffic citation or investigating criminal activity, all officers using the Law Enforcement Tactical System now can receive instant notice of a person's ineligibility to possess a firearm,” Taylor wrote in the memo.

Lawmakers included language in the new law reiterating an officer's ability to temporarily take a handgun during a traffic stop or other investigation. An officer with a reasonable suspicion that a person was about to engage in criminal conduct can temporarily take a handgun and run it through databases to see if the gun was stolen.

An officer could also temporarily take a weapon if it is necessary for the safety of the officer or others. The weapon must be returned unless there is an arrest, or the person is posing a safety threat.

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Congrats, Alabama! We're establishing the new normal - one state a time - but we're establishing the new normal.

[kaz]

Jan 1, 2023 13:05:28 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Congrats, Alabama! We're establishing the new normal - one state a time - but we're establishing the new normal.

Don't you mean "Alabanza"?

[Panama pfRedd]

Jan 1, 2023 13:31:32 GMT -5 kaz said:

Jan 1, 2023 13:05:28 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Congrats, Alabama! We're establishing the new normal - one state a time - but we're establishing the new normal.

Don't you mean "Alabanza"?

That too!

[cbisbig]

Jan 1, 2023 13:31:32 GMT -5 kaz said:

Jan 1, 2023 13:05:28 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Congrats, Alabama! We're establishing the new normal - one state a time - but we're establishing the new normal.

Don't you mean "Alabanza"?

Lol

[Panama pfRedd]

Florida up next.

[dilligaf]

Meanwhile, Alabama criminals who are forbidden from owning guns will continue to carry them illegally.

Hopefully this new law will make the criminals start wondering if the person they want to mug is going to shoot the shit out of them if they try.

[Panama pfRedd]

Amen.

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 1, 2023 13:04:40 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Alabama to allow concealed guns without permit in 2023

KIM CHANDLER
Fri, December 30, 2022 at 12:24 PM CST

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Alabama on Jan. 1 will become the latest state to allow people to carry a concealed handgun without a state permit that requires a background check.

The new state law ends the requirement for a person to get a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun in public. A person can still choose to get a permit if they want to do so.

The proposal had been introduced unsuccessfully for years in Montgomery, before winning approval this year. The legislation was championed by gun rights advocates who call it “constitutional carry,” in reference to the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Opponents, including state sheriffs and others in law enforcement, argued the permits help combat crime and enhance public safety.

The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, which lobbied for the Alabama legislation, said in April that 25 states now allow permitless carry.

“It’s going to be a big step to help the average law-abiding citizen to keep them from having to go through the hoops of getting a permit to carry their weapons,” Rep. Shane Stringer, the legislation’s sponsor, said. Stringer noted the law only impacts the permit requirement. “It's not going change who can and cannot carry a gun. People that are prohibited now are still prohibited.”

The Alabama Sheriffs Association had opposed the legislation. “Alabama sheriffs are clear on the law taking effect Jan. 1 and have adjusted accordingly,” said Lee County Sheriff Jay Jones, president of the Alabama Sheriffs’ Association

Jones and Stringer said there are still reasons a person might consider getting a permit. Jones said, “maintaining an Alabama concealed carry permit is wise when traveling out of state; reciprocity applies — other states may require non-residents to have a permit from their state of residence.”

Stringer noted that people should remember there continue to be places where weapons are banned entirely for security reasons, such as a courthouses.

Alabama lawmakers, under pressure from gun rights enthusiasts, approved the measure during the last legislative session. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey almost immediately signed the legislation into law and highlighted her support in her reelection campaign. The ad showed the governor sitting at her desk at the Alabama Capitol and pulling a small handgun out of her purse, along with a lipstick and cell phone.

Republican lawmakers who previously opposed the legislation said they were more comfortable voting for it this time because the state was developing a “prohibited persons” database to help officers flag people who are banned from possessing a handgun because of their criminal history and other reasons. The database was mandated by an earlier state law creating an option to get a lifetime concealed carry permit.

Stringer, a former deputy sheriff and former chief of the Satsuma Police Department, said the database was a major factor in his decision to sponsor the bill.

Proponents of the bill argued that will be a better system to remove guns from people who cannot legally possess them. Opponents argued the database will only be as good as the data that is entered into it and information gaps will be inevitable.

Hal Taylor, the head of the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency, sent Ivey a memo on Sept. 30 saying the database had been developed as required by state law.

“Whether issuing a routine traffic citation or investigating criminal activity, all officers using the Law Enforcement Tactical System now can receive instant notice of a person's ineligibility to possess a firearm,” Taylor wrote in the memo.

Lawmakers included language in the new law reiterating an officer's ability to temporarily take a handgun during a traffic stop or other investigation. An officer with a reasonable suspicion that a person was about to engage in criminal conduct can temporarily take a handgun and run it through databases to see if the gun was stolen.

An officer could also temporarily take a weapon if it is necessary for the safety of the officer or others. The weapon must be returned unless there is an arrest, or the person is posing a safety threat.

The only "hoops" anyone had to jump through is going to the sheriffs office in their county and filling out a form. Took me 15 minutes last time I had mine renewed.

[Panama pfRedd]

Jan 4, 2023 5:22:35 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jan 1, 2023 13:04:40 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Alabama to allow concealed guns without permit in 2023

KIM CHANDLER
Fri, December 30, 2022 at 12:24 PM CST

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Alabama on Jan. 1 will become the latest state to allow people to carry a concealed handgun without a state permit that requires a background check.

The new state law ends the requirement for a person to get a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun in public. A person can still choose to get a permit if they want to do so.

The proposal had been introduced unsuccessfully for years in Montgomery, before winning approval this year. The legislation was championed by gun rights advocates who call it “constitutional carry,” in reference to the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Opponents, including state sheriffs and others in law enforcement, argued the permits help combat crime and enhance public safety.

The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, which lobbied for the Alabama legislation, said in April that 25 states now allow permitless carry.

“It’s going to be a big step to help the average law-abiding citizen to keep them from having to go through the hoops of getting a permit to carry their weapons,” Rep. Shane Stringer, the legislation’s sponsor, said. Stringer noted the law only impacts the permit requirement. “It's not going change who can and cannot carry a gun. People that are prohibited now are still prohibited.”

The Alabama Sheriffs Association had opposed the legislation. “Alabama sheriffs are clear on the law taking effect Jan. 1 and have adjusted accordingly,” said Lee County Sheriff Jay Jones, president of the Alabama Sheriffs’ Association

Jones and Stringer said there are still reasons a person might consider getting a permit. Jones said, “maintaining an Alabama concealed carry permit is wise when traveling out of state; reciprocity applies — other states may require non-residents to have a permit from their state of residence.”

Stringer noted that people should remember there continue to be places where weapons are banned entirely for security reasons, such as a courthouses.

Alabama lawmakers, under pressure from gun rights enthusiasts, approved the measure during the last legislative session. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey almost immediately signed the legislation into law and highlighted her support in her reelection campaign. The ad showed the governor sitting at her desk at the Alabama Capitol and pulling a small handgun out of her purse, along with a lipstick and cell phone.

Republican lawmakers who previously opposed the legislation said they were more comfortable voting for it this time because the state was developing a “prohibited persons” database to help officers flag people who are banned from possessing a handgun because of their criminal history and other reasons. The database was mandated by an earlier state law creating an option to get a lifetime concealed carry permit.

Stringer, a former deputy sheriff and former chief of the Satsuma Police Department, said the database was a major factor in his decision to sponsor the bill.

Proponents of the bill argued that will be a better system to remove guns from people who cannot legally possess them. Opponents argued the database will only be as good as the data that is entered into it and information gaps will be inevitable.

Hal Taylor, the head of the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency, sent Ivey a memo on Sept. 30 saying the database had been developed as required by state law.

“Whether issuing a routine traffic citation or investigating criminal activity, all officers using the Law Enforcement Tactical System now can receive instant notice of a person's ineligibility to possess a firearm,” Taylor wrote in the memo.

Lawmakers included language in the new law reiterating an officer's ability to temporarily take a handgun during a traffic stop or other investigation. An officer with a reasonable suspicion that a person was about to engage in criminal conduct can temporarily take a handgun and run it through databases to see if the gun was stolen.

An officer could also temporarily take a weapon if it is necessary for the safety of the officer or others. The weapon must be returned unless there is an arrest, or the person is posing a safety threat.

The only "hoops" anyone had to jump through is going to the sheriffs office in their county and filling out a form. Took me 15 minutes last time I had mine renewed.

That's to renew an existing permit. What "hoops" did your citizens have to go through for the initial application to get a permit issued?

[Panama pfRedd]

Congrats 'Bama!

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 4, 2023 9:26:02 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jan 4, 2023 5:22:35 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

The only "hoops" anyone had to jump through is going to the sheriffs office in their county and filling out a form. Took me 15 minutes last time I had mine renewed.

That's to renew an existing permit. What "hoops" did your citizens have to go through for the initial application to get a permit issued?

Go to the sheriffs office and fill out a form. Wait 15 minutes while the clerk does a computer background check. Same as a renewal.

[Panama pfRedd]

Jan 4, 2023 14:41:51 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jan 4, 2023 9:26:02 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

That's to renew an existing permit. What "hoops" did your citizens have to go through for the initial application to get a permit issued?

Go to the sheriffs office and fill out a form. Wait 15 minutes while the clerk does a computer background check. Same as a renewal.

Wow! If you only knew the time and expense I had to go through to get a lousy, stinking two year permit in CA. 13 months and about $650. Much of the delay was due to the plandemic and wildfires though. The expense would've been the same if the normal 90 days to process AFTER completing the 16 hour class/range happened.
My Utah permit renewal? Send in a new photo and a check for $15. Here in NV it end up costing me about $100 to renew. 4 hour class/range qual. Both are five year permits.

[Panama pfRedd]

Go BAMA !

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 4, 2023 16:15:31 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jan 4, 2023 14:41:51 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Go to the sheriffs office and fill out a form. Wait 15 minutes while the clerk does a computer background check. Same as a renewal.

Wow! If you only knew the time and expense I had to go through to get a lousy, stinking two year permit in CA. 13 months and about $650. Much of the delay was due to the plandemic and wildfires though. The expense would've been the same if the normal 90 days to process AFTER completing the 16 hour class/range happened.
My Utah permit renewal? Send in a new photo and a check for $15. Here in NV it end up costing me about $100 to renew. 4 hour class/range qual. Both are five year permits.

Sheriffs Dept. and two city police depts. joined together and put in a very nice firing range for their training, and by appointment citizens are invited to join them for training. I'm going over in a couple of weeks for a day and bringing several of my handguns to shoot. I'm also going to smoke and slice a couple of hams and some sandwich fixings to share with the officers and any citizens that come by.