We should be concerned.

[Panama pfRedd]

The FAA has very quietly tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal. We should be concerned.

After the vaccine rolled out, the FAA secretly widened the EKG parameter range for pilots so they wouldn't be grounded.

In the October 2022 version of the FAA Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners, the FAA quietly widened the EKG parameters beyond the normal range (from a PR max of .2 to unlimited). And they didn’t widen the range by a little. They widened it by a lot. It was done after the vaccine rollout.

This is extraordinary. They did it hoping nobody would notice. It worked for a while. Nobody caught it.

But you can’t hide these things for long.

This is a tacit admission from the US government that the COVID vaccine has damaged the hearts of our pilots. Not just a few pilots. A lot of pilots and a lot of damage.

The cardiac harm of course is not limited to pilots.

My best guess right now is that over 50M Americans sustained some amount of heart damage from the shot.

That’s a lot of people who will be very upset when they realize the vaccine they took to reduce their chance of dying from COVID actually worked in reverse making it:

1. More likely that people will get COVID

2. Be hospitalized from COVID and other diseases

3. Die from COVID (and other diseases)

4. You also have an excellent chance of getting a lifetime of heart damage for no extra charge.

But don’t worry; you can’t sue them. They fixed the law so none of them are liable (the doctors, the drug companies, the government). After all, you took the vaccine of your own free will. It’s not like you were forced (or coerced) to take it or anything like that! And there were plenty of people warning you not to take the shots (even though they censored most of them).

[Panama pfRedd]

All the time now

Thirty-one year old people die, sure. We have an opioid epidemic going on for the past few years, sure. He could have had an undetected congenital heart problem, sure. We don't yet know the cause of death, sure.

The one thing I am sure of in all this is that it seems to be happening every day now.

www.foxnews.com/entertainment/c-j-harris-former-american-idol-contestant-dead-31

[Walter]

Jan 17, 2023 11:42:13 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

The FAA has very quietly tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal. We should be concerned.

After the vaccine rolled out, the FAA secretly widened the EKG parameter range for pilots so they wouldn't be grounded.

In the October 2022 version of the FAA Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners, the FAA quietly widened the EKG parameters beyond the normal range (from a PR max of .2 to unlimited). And they didn’t widen the range by a little. They widened it by a lot. It was done after the vaccine rollout.

This is extraordinary. They did it hoping nobody would notice. It worked for a while. Nobody caught it.

But you can’t hide these things for long.

This is a tacit admission from the US government that the COVID vaccine has damaged the hearts of our pilots. Not just a few pilots. A lot of pilots and a lot of damage.

The cardiac harm of course is not limited to pilots.

My best guess right now is that over 50M Americans sustained some amount of heart damage from the shot.

That’s a lot of people who will be very upset when they realize the vaccine they took to reduce their chance of dying from COVID actually worked in reverse making it:

1. More likely that people will get COVID

2. Be hospitalized from COVID and other diseases

3. Die from COVID (and other diseases)

4. You also have an excellent chance of getting a lifetime of heart damage for no extra charge.

But don’t worry; you can’t sue them. They fixed the law so none of them are liable (the doctors, the drug companies, the government). After all, you took the vaccine of your own free will. It’s not like you were forced (or coerced) to take it or anything like that! And there were plenty of people warning you not to take the shots (even though they censored most of them).

Link?

[Panama pfRedd]

The FAA would not do that unless they had a lot of data. FAA are career government employees, so their #1 concern is not crossing the wrong line. They don't stick their necks out, and they are very slow to do anything lest it come back to bite them.

So they must have a need to make that change. Pressure from somewhere. They must have a plan to CYA themselves in the future, which could be some study that looks scientific even if it is junk science.

My main point is that this kind of change doesn't just happen because one or two docs have a medical opinion. Even if based in good solid research this kind of change might never happen.

I am very curious what cardiologists think of this change.

And yet, like all the dishonest trash that insist that they’re glad they were “vaccinated” or else their symptoms would be SO much worse, they continue to tout the benefits of a “vaccine” that isn’t a vaccine.

This is now a pandemic of the vaccinated, and we are not out of the woods by a long shot.

Just as we were informed in the very early days of the vaccine rollout, by numerous eminently qualified experts in relevant fields, mass use of a non-sterilizing vaccine in a pandemic, and the use of mRNA technology, has led to wave after wave of new variants. Those who are vaccinated are the factories creating the new variants and spreading them around. Some new variants evade immunity in the un-vaccinated too, putting the entire population at risk.

So far the newer variants have been generally less lethal than preceding variants, but that is not guaranteed into the future. The data out of the UK can be very good, and it consistently shows a high % of the population actively infected at any particular moment.

I don't know the road out of this mess, but I expect it will first require the jabs be halted. After that?

[Walter]

Jan 17, 2023 12:17:41 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

The FAA would not do that unless they had a lot of data. FAA are career government employees, so their #1 concern is not crossing the wrong line. They don't stick their necks out, and they are very slow to do anything lest it come back to bite them.

So they must have a need to make that change. Pressure from somewhere. They must have a plan to CYA themselves in the future, which could be some study that looks scientific even if it is junk science.

My main point is that this kind of change doesn't just happen because one or two docs have a medical opinion. Even if based in good solid research this kind of change might never happen.

I am very curious what cardiologists think of this change.

And yet, like all the dishonest trash that insist that they’re glad they were “vaccinated” or else their symptoms would be SO much worse, they continue to tout the benefits of a “vaccine” that isn’t a vaccine.

This is now a pandemic of the vaccinated, and we are not out of the woods by a long shot.

Just as we were informed in the very early days of the vaccine rollout, by numerous eminently qualified experts in relevant fields, mass use of a non-sterilizing vaccine in a pandemic, and the use of mRNA technology, has led to wave after wave of new variants. Those who are vaccinated are the factories creating the new variants and spreading them around. Some new variants evade immunity in the un-vaccinated too, putting the entire population at risk.

So far the newer variants have been generally less lethal than preceding variants, but that is not guaranteed into the future. The data out of the UK can be very good, and it consistently shows a high % of the population actively infected at any particular moment.

I don't know the road out of this mess, but I expect it will first require the jabs be halted. After that?

Show us a link that the FAA even did what you suggest, cuz the FAA website says 300ms max..

[Panama pfRedd]

Jan 17, 2023 12:38:07 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 17, 2023 12:17:41 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

The FAA would not do that unless they had a lot of data. FAA are career government employees, so their #1 concern is not crossing the wrong line. They don't stick their necks out, and they are very slow to do anything lest it come back to bite them.

So they must have a need to make that change. Pressure from somewhere. They must have a plan to CYA themselves in the future, which could be some study that looks scientific even if it is junk science.

My main point is that this kind of change doesn't just happen because one or two docs have a medical opinion. Even if based in good solid research this kind of change might never happen.

I am very curious what cardiologists think of this change.

And yet, like all the dishonest trash that insist that they’re glad they were “vaccinated” or else their symptoms would be SO much worse, they continue to tout the benefits of a “vaccine” that isn’t a vaccine.

This is now a pandemic of the vaccinated, and we are not out of the woods by a long shot.

Just as we were informed in the very early days of the vaccine rollout, by numerous eminently qualified experts in relevant fields, mass use of a non-sterilizing vaccine in a pandemic, and the use of mRNA technology, has led to wave after wave of new variants. Those who are vaccinated are the factories creating the new variants and spreading them around. Some new variants evade immunity in the un-vaccinated too, putting the entire population at risk.

So far the newer variants have been generally less lethal than preceding variants, but that is not guaranteed into the future. The data out of the UK can be very good, and it consistently shows a high % of the population actively infected at any particular moment.

I don't know the road out of this mess, but I expect it will first require the jabs be halted. After that?

Show us a link that the FAA even did what you suggest, cuz the FAA website says 300ms max..

Find it yourself.

[Walter]

Jan 17, 2023 13:07:03 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jan 17, 2023 12:38:07 GMT -5 Walter said:

Show us a link that the FAA even did what you suggest, cuz the FAA website says 300ms max..

Find it yourself.

LOL...I went the the source, the FAA. SURPRISE! Once again, real facts dispute your fake, made up ones that you don't have the balls to even post.
You're dismissed, sucker.

[Panama pfRedd]

What’s truly discouraging are all the people that in the face of irrefutable evidence, continue to “trust the science”, and even go so far as to denigrate those that choose not to trust the commingling of big pharma and government. These people are all traitors for money. And the ignorance of their supporters is absolutely astounding.

My favorite story of late is all the beautiful people that had to bow out of one of their precious award ceremonies, the “critics choice” award due to positive Covid tests. If they are Hollywood, it’s almost impossible that they are not “vaccinated”. If they weren’t, they’d either be out of jobs, or put on display as anti-vaxxers. And yet, like all the dishonest trash that insist that they’re glad they were “vaccinated” or else their symptoms would be SO much worse, they continue to tout the benefits of a “vaccine” that isn’t a vaccine.

Last week Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a British anti-vaccine cardiologist, spoke eloquently for several minutes on the BBC about vaccine injuries, and called for suspension of that country’s vaccination program. Well, on Friday, corporate media launched its counter-attack.

The Guardian UK ran a story headlined, “BBC Criticised for Letting Cardiologist ‘Hijack’ Interview With False Covid Jab Claim.” The article is a long character-assassination hit piece on Dr. Malhotra, including quotes by the entire battalion of compliant covid experts reflexively accusing the cardiologist of having “extreme fringe views,” fretting how “deeply dangerous” he is, and arrogantly claiming the doctor has no cardiology practice “to speak of.”

According to the Guardian, during his live interview Dr. Malhotra went off-topic and the BBC interviewers were just too appalled and embarrassed to stop him. After all, what were they SUPPOSED to do? Cut to commercial or something? Cancel him?

Yes, cancel him! Do it now!

For his part, Dr. Malhotra apparently embraced the Guardian’s request for comment on his own character-assassination, and turned the tables. The antagonistic article ends with Dr. Malhotra’s spirited response:

Malhotra told the Guardian: “Medical science is ever-evolving – discussing new developments openly is hard because the complicit media wants to only frame mRNA as right or wrong, to conflate mRNA vaccine debate as an entire attack on all vaccines, and to politicise views as left or right.

“I’ve promoted vaccines my entire career, including Covid vaccines on Good Morning Britain in early 2021. Labelling individuals who flag mRNA vaccine concerns as anti-vaxxers – pursuing personal attacks rather than analysing the latest data (with now overwhelming evidence of serious and common cardiac harms) and who funds it – sows public distrust and leads to a dangerous fall in safe vaccine uptake.”

I rest my case.

[Walter]

Jan 17, 2023 14:22:10 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

What’s truly discouraging are all the people that in the face of irrefutable evidence, continue to “trust the science”, and even go so far as to denigrate those that choose not to trust the commingling of big pharma and government. These people are all traitors for money. And the ignorance of their supporters is absolutely astounding.

My favorite story of late is all the beautiful people that had to bow out of one of their precious award ceremonies, the “critics choice” award due to positive Covid tests. If they are Hollywood, it’s almost impossible that they are not “vaccinated”. If they weren’t, they’d either be out of jobs, or put on display as anti-vaxxers. And yet, like all the dishonest trash that insist that they’re glad they were “vaccinated” or else their symptoms would be SO much worse, they continue to tout the benefits of a “vaccine” that isn’t a vaccine.

Last week Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a British anti-vaccine cardiologist, spoke eloquently for several minutes on the BBC about vaccine injuries, and called for suspension of that country’s vaccination program. Well, on Friday, corporate media launched its counter-attack.

The Guardian UK ran a story headlined, “BBC Criticised for Letting Cardiologist ‘Hijack’ Interview With False Covid Jab Claim.” The article is a long character-assassination hit piece on Dr. Malhotra, including quotes by the entire battalion of compliant covid experts reflexively accusing the cardiologist of having “extreme fringe views,” fretting how “deeply dangerous” he is, and arrogantly claiming the doctor has no cardiology practice “to speak of.”

According to the Guardian, during his live interview Dr. Malhotra went off-topic and the BBC interviewers were just too appalled and embarrassed to stop him. After all, what were they SUPPOSED to do? Cut to commercial or something? Cancel him?

Yes, cancel him! Do it now!

For his part, Dr. Malhotra apparently embraced the Guardian’s request for comment on his own character-assassination, and turned the tables. The antagonistic article ends with Dr. Malhotra’s spirited response:

Malhotra told the Guardian: “Medical science is ever-evolving – discussing new developments openly is hard because the complicit media wants to only frame mRNA as right or wrong, to conflate mRNA vaccine debate as an entire attack on all vaccines, and to politicise views as left or right.

“I’ve promoted vaccines my entire career, including Covid vaccines on Good Morning Britain in early 2021. Labelling individuals who flag mRNA vaccine concerns as anti-vaxxers – pursuing personal attacks rather than analysing the latest data (with now overwhelming evidence of serious and common cardiac harms) and who funds it – sows public distrust and leads to a dangerous fall in safe vaccine uptake.”

I rest my case.

LOL...'irrefutable evidence' you won't post.
Get outta here!

[Panama pfRedd]

I know the FAA regulates pilot licenses, and medical conditions can preclude you from having a license.

What will happen if it is ever determined that these vaccines are causing these issues? Will the FAA prohibit the vaccinated from flying? And if so, seeing so many carriers required it what will happen to the airlines?

And now we know the answer. The government will ignore the problem and change the rules putting the public at greater risk.

I suppose a heart attack induced plane crash can just be labeled "pilot error".

In the case of a small airplane single private pilot event, it might be known the pilot died or had a serious cardiac/stroke event prior to the crash. But just like all the athletes having cardiac events now, it will be framed as a random event not related to anything.

In the case of airlines or corporate operations, there will be 2 pilots on board so there will not be a crash. While I would describe such an event as the flight being in an "undesirable state", with a less than optimal safety margin, pilots are trained to deal with an incapacitated crew member.

Probably some events will make the news but generally I expect the powers that be will do their best to ignore it, and will attribute it to other causes.

[Walter]

Jan 17, 2023 15:01:17 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

I know the FAA regulates pilot licenses, and medical conditions can preclude you from having a license.

What will happen if it is ever determined that these vaccines are causing these issues? Will the FAA prohibit the vaccinated from flying? And if so, seeing so many carriers required it what will happen to the airlines?

And now we know the answer. The government will ignore the problem and change the rules putting the public at greater risk.

I suppose a heart attack induced plane crash can just be labeled "pilot error".

In the case of a small airplane single private pilot event, it might be known the pilot died or had a serious cardiac/stroke event prior to the crash. But just like all the athletes having cardiac events now, it will be framed as a random event not related to anything.

In the case of airlines or corporate operations, there will be 2 pilots on board so there will not be a crash. While I would describe such an event as the flight being in an "undesirable state", with a less than optimal safety margin, pilots are trained to deal with an incapacitated crew member.

Probably some events will make the news but generally I expect the powers that be will do their best to ignore it, and will attribute it to other causes.

Lacking any real information, you're left speculating: "What will happen if..." or "I suppose..." or "Probably some events...".
So much for 'irrefutable evidence'...
You're dismissed.

[Panama pfRedd]

It likely will be accurately labeled as pilot error. They just won’t admit that the pilot’s error was taking the vaccine.

The FAA has a duty to promote aviation and protect the public. There is potential for conflict in these two mandates. If one were to accept the proposition that the jab truly makes one unsafe to fly, the impact on the system would be catastrophic. That is without even considering the political impact of admitting that this jab that the government pushed hurt people. I’d guess either of those impacts is more than plenty to push the management at the FAA to do everything that they can to sweep any potential vaccine issues under the rug.

In a different vein, pilots have been incapacitated in flight since long before Covid or vaccines. There are at least a few stories (and even some videos) of passengers getting Part 91 flights back on the ground after their pilot was incapacitated. In the Part 121 (scheduled airline) world, there are (at least) two qualified pilots in the cockpit. The theory is that either can safely get the airplane on the ground if something happens to the other. Yes, there is a lot more benefit than just that, but that is a consideration. I’m sure that this has happened, before Covid and since, but it doesn’t seem to get as much press for some reason. If the jabs injure pilots, it is probably possible that both pilots could be incapacitated, but I’d imagine that the odds are vanishingly low.

Heck, if one said, “To heck with it, we are not going to allow vaccinated pilots to fly Part 121 anymore.” It would cause a huge pilot shortage. Either a whole lot of flights wouldn’t happen, a lot of experienced, qualified pilots would have to be rapidly replaced with newly qualified, likely much less experienced pilots, or both. It is possible that this approach would make commercial air travel less safe than rolling the dice on the jabbed pilots’ health.

[cbisbig]

[Buckeye Dale]

This little thing caught my eye as I was preparing a stack of old newspapers for re-cycle...
(was a meme, with Dr Fraudchi's face very prominent...)

Let’s make one thing clear. The ‘EXPERTS’ were never “WRONG”…

They were always lying…
BIG DIFFERENCE.