eagles/chiefs - LETS GOOO!!!

[snap infraction]

so it's been about 10 days since the Eagles beat the 49ers to advance to the Super Bowl.  and i can confirm that i have been all over the place about how i feel about this matchup with kansas city.  i was initially optimistic but then as i thought about it last week, i realized they are going against patrick mahomes and then i started to worry.  now i honestly don't know what to think.  and neither does vegas as the line has not budged since it was first released (eagles -1.5).  

when i try to predict what i think is going to happen, i tend to guess each teams path to victory and then try to guess which path is more likely.  both the eagles and chiefs have played enough games this year where you can sort of guess what will happen if that team is successful.  

the eagles create turnovers and end lots of drives b/c of their ferocious pass rush.  mahomes on the other hand is a genius who sees the entire field very well and is coaches by one of the best offensive schemers of all time.  the chiefs don't have great WR"s but they are always open and mahomes will always find them.  plus they have a hall of fame TE in his prime.   hard to guess who has an edge, right?  

on the other hand, the eagles move the ball b/c they have an excellent offensive line and a smart mobile QB who knows how to freeze defenders.  they have deep ball threats when you commit to stopping the run game.  but hurts shoulder is definitely bothering him.  so does kansas city load up and committ extra guys to stop the run and dare hurts to beat him?  hurts hasn't really passed very well in his two playoff games.  part of the reason is that they've had large leads and haven't thrown in the second half.  but maybe he's also still banged up?   

another factor that is not being reported (and it's the super bowl where everything is reported) is that the game is being played in Arizona and the field in Arizona was widely criticized all year.  kansas city lost their kicker for several weeks b/c of the field in arizona.   Michigan/TCU players could barely pivot without slipping.  lots of teams have complained about the playing surface in state farm stadium.  mahomes has a bad ankle.  we'll see if the field is a factor.  but if the field is as bad as people have been saying, it's going to be harder to tackle.  

if i was betting (oh wait, i am definitely betting), i would be the eagles to win a high scoring game.  38-33 is my guess and the game will be remembered as one of the better super bowls.   mahomes will make big plays b/c he's a magician.  but while kansas city has a good offensive line, their tackles are actually pretty mediocre and the eagles are able to alter the game a good bit with their pass rush.    and hurts actually has had his best games this year in warmer weather (i think they keep the roof open for the super bowl).  i think he's going to air it out and win MVP.  and based on how he carries homself, i don't think hurts will be afraid of the moment. 

[DrSchadenfreude]

Snap,

    I know the Chiefs fairly well, because I watch them play the Broncos twice every year.

    They won a lot of close games this year, and they are far from invincible.  They even lost to the lowly Colts.

    Denver had winning chances in both KC games this year, and they picked off three Mahomes passes on December 11th.  (Mahomes finished with a QB rating of 86 in that 27-24 victory.)

    In fact, I think the Chiefs were better the last few years than they are this year, after losing Tyreek Hill and Clyde Edwards-Hellaire.

    That said, Mahomes has an uncanny knack for finding ways to win.

    If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Philadelphia in this Super Bowl.

[snap infraction]

Feb 7, 2023 13:15:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Snap,

    I know the Chiefs fairly well, because I watch them play the Broncos twice every year.

    They won a lot of close games this year, and they are far from invincible.  They even lost to the lowly Colts.

    Denver had winning chances in both KC games this year, and they picked off three Mahomes passes on December 11th.  (Mahomes finished with a QB rating of 86 in that 27-24 victory.)

    In fact, I think the Chiefs were better the last few years than they are this year, after losing Tyreek Hill and Clyde Edwards-Hellaire.

    That said, Mahomes has an uncanny knack for finding ways to win.

    If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Philadelphia in this Super Bowl.

where is kansas city vulnerable?  

[DrSchadenfreude]

Feb 7, 2023 13:39:49 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Feb 7, 2023 13:15:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Snap,

    I know the Chiefs fairly well, because I watch them play the Broncos twice every year.

    They won a lot of close games this year, and they are far from invincible.  They even lost to the lowly Colts.

    Denver had winning chances in both KC games this year, and they picked off three Mahomes passes on December 11th.  (Mahomes finished with a QB rating of 86 in that 27-24 victory.)

    In fact, I think the Chiefs were better the last few years than they are this year, after losing Tyreek Hill and Clyde Edwards-Hellaire.

    That said, Mahomes has an uncanny knack for finding ways to win.

    If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Philadelphia in this Super Bowl.

where is kansas city vulnerable?  

KC rushed for only 46 yards against Denver's D in that last game-- on January 1st.  Their run game is average at best.

In the December game, our MLB Josey Jewell picked Mahomes twice by dropping back in coverage on crossing routes.

Russell Wilson scrambled for some big yardage in both games, so Jalen Hurts could have a big day scrambling on Sunday.

Denver also had some success running Latavius Murray right up the gut against KC's defense.

IMO, the Bengals would have won that AFC CG if they had blocked Chris Jones.  Jones was in Joe Burrow's face all day.

But Hurts is incredibly nifty in the pocket-- more mobile than Burrow.

[beuycek]

Feb 7, 2023 12:37:03 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

the eagles create turnovers and end lots of drives b/c of their ferocious pass rush.  mahomes on the other hand is a genius who sees the entire field very well and is coaches by one of the best offensive schemers of all time.  the chiefs don't have great WR"s but they are always open and mahomes will always find them.  plus they have a hall of fame TE in his prime.   hard to guess who has an edge, right?  

You like Mahomes, I see. The issue with all of that praise is, it doesn't take into account the lack of a running game. The Chiefs aren't terrible on the run but they don't have a game-breaker that makes the defense change their game plan.

Philly is going to pin their ears back and get after Mahomes, IMO. If they have success at that, the Chiefs are in trouble.

another factor that is not being reported (and it's the super bowl where everything is reported) is that the game is being played in Arizona and the field in Arizona was widely criticized all year.  kansas city lost their kicker for several weeks b/c of the field in arizona.   Michigan/TCU players could barely pivot without slipping.  lots of teams have complained about the playing surface in state farm stadium.  mahomes has a bad ankle.  we'll see if the field is a factor.  but if the field is as bad as people have been saying, it's going to be harder to tackle.  

When the Super Bowl is played on a natural surface, the field is always brand new for the game and the local grounds crew have no control over it. The league takes over and manages every aspect of the turf's condition. The field shouldn't be a problem.

if i was betting (oh wait, i am definitely betting), i would be the eagles to win a high scoring game.  38-33 is my guess and the game will be remembered as one of the better super bowls.   mahomes will make big plays b/c he's a magician.  but while kansas city has a good offensive line, their tackles are actually pretty mediocre and the eagles are able to alter the game a good bit with their pass rush.    and hurts actually has had his best games this year in warmer weather (i think they keep the roof open for the super bowl).  i think he's going to air it out and win MVP.  and based on how he carries homself, i don't think hurts will be afraid of the moment. 

IMO, if the Eagles need Hurts to win the game with his arm, they will struggle. Defense and a balanced offense will win this one and I think Philly has the edge in both areas.














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[cbisbig]

Feb 7, 2023 16:37:04 GMT -5 beuycek said:

Feb 7, 2023 12:37:03 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

the eagles create turnovers and end lots of drives b/c of their ferocious pass rush.  mahomes on the other hand is a genius who sees the entire field very well and is coaches by one of the best offensive schemers of all time.  the chiefs don't have great WR"s but they are always open and mahomes will always find them.  plus they have a hall of fame TE in his prime.   hard to guess who has an edge, right?  

You like Mahomes, I see. The issue with all of that praise is, it doesn't take into account the lack of a running game. The Chiefs aren't terrible on the run but they don't have a game-breaker that makes the defense change their game plan.

Philly is going to pin their ears back and get after Mahomes, IMO. If they have success at that, the Chiefs are in trouble.

another factor that is not being reported (and it's the super bowl where everything is reported) is that the game is being played in Arizona and the field in Arizona was widely criticized all year.  kansas city lost their kicker for several weeks b/c of the field in arizona.   Michigan/TCU players could barely pivot without slipping.  lots of teams have complained about the playing surface in state farm stadium.  mahomes has a bad ankle.  we'll see if the field is a factor.  but if the field is as bad as people have been saying, it's going to be harder to tackle.  

When the Super Bowl is played on a natural surface, the field is always brand new for the game and the local grounds crew have no control over it. The league takes over and manages every aspect of the turf's condition. The field shouldn't be a problem.

if i was betting (oh wait, i am definitely betting), i would be the eagles to win a high scoring game.  38-33 is my guess and the game will be remembered as one of the better super bowls.   mahomes will make big plays b/c he's a magician.  but while kansas city has a good offensive line, their tackles are actually pretty mediocre and the eagles are able to alter the game a good bit with their pass rush.    and hurts actually has had his best games this year in warmer weather (i think they keep the roof open for the super bowl).  i think he's going to air it out and win MVP.  and based on how he carries homself, i don't think hurts will be afraid of the moment. 

IMO, if the Eagles need Hurts to win the game with his arm, they will struggle. Defense and a balanced offense will win this one and I think Philly has the edge in both areas.

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Hurts was pretty good statistically, 10th in passing after missing 2-3 games?
Top 5 qbr, comp.%

[beuycek]

Feb 7, 2023 21:44:46 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 7, 2023 16:37:04 GMT -5 beuycek said:

You like Mahomes, I see. The issue with all of that praise is, it doesn't take into account the lack of a running game. The Chiefs aren't terrible on the run but they don't have a game-breaker that makes the defense change their game plan.

Philly is going to pin their ears back and get after Mahomes, IMO. If they have success at that, the Chiefs are in trouble.

When the Super Bowl is played on a natural surface, the field is always brand new for the game and the local grounds crew have no control over it. The league takes over and manages every aspect of the turf's condition. The field shouldn't be a problem.

IMO, if the Eagles need Hurts to win the game with his arm, they will struggle. Defense and a balanced offense will win this one and I think Philly has the edge in both areas.

Hurts was pretty good statistically, 10th in passing after missing 2-3 games?
Top 5 qbr, comp.%

He's not a 100%. His first game back after the injury was statistically his worst of the season. He hasn't been a whole lot better in the two playoff games since.

[cbisbig]

Feb 8, 2023 8:12:58 GMT -5 beuycek said:

Feb 7, 2023 21:44:46 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Hurts was pretty good statistically, 10th in passing after missing 2-3 games?
Top 5 qbr, comp.%

He's not a 100%. His first game back after the injury was statistically his worst of the season. He hasn't been a whole lot better in the two playoff games since.

Well, I hope he plays better Sunday. I am in a Super Bowl fantasy league, you play ay five players totaled between the two teams, one of the guys you pick to make one and a half times more points than the others and he’s that guy for me.

[Buckeye Dale]

<smh> Really hard to imagine a football game of less interest to me.... <yawn>

[Panama pfRedd]

Feb 8, 2023 9:45:21 GMT -5 Buckeye Dale said:

<smh> Really hard to imagine a football game of less interest to me.... <yawn>

This +1.
I'm only in it for the food and the commercial. Halftime show is going to be every bit as bad as all the garbage we've become accustomed to every year.

[mscott59]

Feb 8, 2023 8:55:26 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 8, 2023 8:12:58 GMT -5 beuycek said:

He's not a 100%. His first game back after the injury was statistically his worst of the season. He hasn't been a whole lot better in the two playoff games since.

Well, I hope he plays better Sunday. I am in a Super Bowl fantasy league, you play ay five players totaled between the two teams, one of the guys you pick to make one and a half times more points than the others and he’s that guy for me.

I hopped on the eagles at -1.5 last week. I think kc was very very fortunate to beat cincinnati, who I believe would be a tougher matchup for philly. mahomes at his best is certainly magical, but the eagles are much better at the los on both side of the ball imho. barring any sloppy turnovers, that will make the difference. I hope.

[DrSchadenfreude]

    Anyone who doesn't enjoy watching Patrick Mahomes play football is not a bona fide American football fan, IMO.

     He's sort of the Magic Johnson of American football.

    The Chiefs were even more entertaining when Tyreek Hill was on their roster, but Mahomes is still fun to watch.

    Tampa Bay's defense did a good job of collapsing Mahomes' pocket in that Super Bowl game, but any team that gives him time to scramble around and improvise will eventually get burned.  And Kelce is very hard to cover-- even for the best DBs.

[daleko]

Feb 7, 2023 12:37:03 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

so it's been about 10 days since the Eagles beat the 49ers to advance to the Super Bowl.  and i can confirm that i have been all over the place about how i feel about this matchup with kansas city.  i was initially optimistic but then as i ...............

Go Beagles.
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[Mickey34jb]

Chiefs 27
Eagles 21

[cbisbig]

Feb 12, 2023 10:31:21 GMT -5 Mickey34jb said:

Chiefs 27
Eagles 21

Eagles 28
Chiefs 24