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Post by Walter on Apr 22, 2023 18:55:26 GMT -5
FTR, I am out of the business of answering questions about what we should do, because gun owners are not rational players. They'd rather see dead school children than have to fill out a form. That's a useless discussion. But I will comment on the malaise. The argument that only a few people mis-use guns and therefore no regulation is required is nonsense. We already have regulation. The idea that more regulation will necessarily lead to zero issues is nonsense. But hey…of Mike’s examples I had only heard of the first two. One was in Missouri and the other New York. Be curious as to what regulation you would add/change, etc. in each state. Name a single area of regulation that results in 'zero issues'. Is that your standard? If gun violence doesn't go to zero because of a suggested regulation, let us not pass ANY regulations? If it doesn't stop all mass shootings it isn't worth it? |
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Post by oujour76 on Apr 22, 2023 20:26:46 GMT -5
We already have regulation. The idea that more regulation will necessarily lead to zero issues is nonsense. But hey…of Mike’s examples I had only heard of the first two. One was in Missouri and the other New York. Be curious as to what regulation you would add/change, etc. in each state. Name a single area of regulation that results in 'zero issues'. Is that your standard? If gun violence doesn't go to zero because of a suggested regulation, let us not pass ANY regulations? If it doesn't stop all mass shootings it isn't worth it? Not my standard. Yours, or more accurately, your side on this issue. |
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Post by Walter on Apr 22, 2023 22:31:41 GMT -5
Name a single area of regulation that results in 'zero issues'. Is that your standard? If gun violence doesn't go to zero because of a suggested regulation, let us not pass ANY regulations? If it doesn't stop all mass shootings it isn't worth it? Not my standard. Yours, or more accurately, your side on this issue. Name and link to a single gun control advocate who says that. |
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Post by cbisbig on Apr 23, 2023 5:50:25 GMT -5
Car insurance is mandatory. Why isn't that a violation of my rights? Guns are far more dangerous than a car......Cwg Probably more people driving cars than owning guns Probably more gun owners driving their cars than shooting their guns (at others) There was this guy |
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Post by oujour76 on Apr 23, 2023 11:08:34 GMT -5
Not my standard. Yours, or more accurately, your side on this issue. Name and link to a single gun control advocate who says that. It’s in the same place with the one that says Redhats are in favor of children dying. |
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Post by oujour76 on Apr 23, 2023 11:45:59 GMT -5
Not my standard. Yours, or more accurately, your side on this issue. Name and link to a single gun control advocate who says that. Same place with the one that says ‘Redhats’ want children to die. |
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Post by Walter on Apr 23, 2023 11:47:28 GMT -5
Name and link to a single gun control advocate who says that. It’s in the same place with the one that says Redhats are in favor of children dying. Get it straight. Not 'in favor of'. 'Indifferent to', if it requires them to, say...fill out a form. ...and BTW, non-answer noted. |
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Post by oujour76 on Apr 23, 2023 12:13:21 GMT -5
It’s in the same place with the one that says Redhats are in favor of children dying. Get it straight. Not 'in favor of'. 'Indifferent to', if it requires them to, say...fill out a form. ...and BTW, non-answer noted. LOL. Right back at you. |
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Post by Walter on Apr 23, 2023 13:50:59 GMT -5
Get it straight. Not 'in favor of'. 'Indifferent to', if it requires them to, say...fill out a form. ...and BTW, non-answer noted. LOL. Right back at you. oh! You want evidence of pro-gun indifference to the nearly daily mass shootings? Pick just about any thread on the GunPolitics board. Lots of it to see. And it is a big world out there. Lot's of other indifference to see out there as well..er...I mean 'thoughts and prayers' to see. |
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Post by Walter on Apr 23, 2023 15:22:08 GMT -5
Get it straight. Not 'in favor of'. 'Indifferent to', if it requires them to, say...fill out a form. ...and BTW, non-answer noted. LOL. Right back at you. And, as if he is monitoring this thread, Mike Pence chimes in to prove my point. During an interview on CBS, correspondent Robert Costa confronted Pence about a "spate of gun violence in recent weeks." "And it's at times legal gun owners shooting people who come up to their door, on a driveway, in a parking lot," Costa said, referring to the shootings of Ralph Yarl and Kaylin Gillis. "Well, our hearts go out to the families of lost loved ones and the incidents in Kansas City and in upstate New York," Pence replied. "I just can't imagine the pain that they're enduring in that tragedy."
"But tragedy should not require us to forfeit our liberty," he continued. "And the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States."www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mike-pence-defends-ralph-yarl-and-kaylin-gillis-shootings-as-response-to-crime-wave/ar-AA1adR1a?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0abbaf71007a48d38eef39eb6987cd77&ei=20Don't get much more indifferent than that... |
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Post by Walter on Apr 23, 2023 15:38:15 GMT -5
Thanks for your leadership on this matter. |
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Post by oujour76 on Apr 23, 2023 16:32:22 GMT -5
oh! You want evidence of pro-gun indifference to the nearly daily mass shootings? Pick just about any thread on the GunPolitics board. Lots of it to see. And it is a big world out there. Lot's of other indifference to see out there as well..er...I mean 'thoughts and prayers' to see. Just because someone disagrees with you on 2A does not make them indifferent to children. |
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Post by oujour76 on Apr 23, 2023 16:39:13 GMT -5
And, as if he is monitoring this thread, Mike Pence chimes in to prove my point. During an interview on CBS, correspondent Robert Costa confronted Pence about a "spate of gun violence in recent weeks." "And it's at times legal gun owners shooting people who come up to their door, on a driveway, in a parking lot," Costa said, referring to the shootings of Ralph Yarl and Kaylin Gillis. "Well, our hearts go out to the families of lost loved ones and the incidents in Kansas City and in upstate New York," Pence replied. "I just can't imagine the pain that they're enduring in that tragedy."
"But tragedy should not require us to forfeit our liberty," he continued. "And the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States."www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mike-pence-defends-ralph-yarl-and-kaylin-gillis-shootings-as-response-to-crime-wave/ar-AA1adR1a?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0abbaf71007a48d38eef39eb6987cd77&ei=20Don't get much more indifferent than that... Some anti-abortion folks might disagree. Just saying. |
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Post by Walter on Apr 23, 2023 17:02:35 GMT -5
And, as if he is monitoring this thread, Mike Pence chimes in to prove my point. During an interview on CBS, correspondent Robert Costa confronted Pence about a "spate of gun violence in recent weeks." "And it's at times legal gun owners shooting people who come up to their door, on a driveway, in a parking lot," Costa said, referring to the shootings of Ralph Yarl and Kaylin Gillis. "Well, our hearts go out to the families of lost loved ones and the incidents in Kansas City and in upstate New York," Pence replied. "I just can't imagine the pain that they're enduring in that tragedy."
"But tragedy should not require us to forfeit our liberty," he continued. "And the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States."www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mike-pence-defends-ralph-yarl-and-kaylin-gillis-shootings-as-response-to-crime-wave/ar-AA1adR1a?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0abbaf71007a48d38eef39eb6987cd77&ei=20Don't get much more indifferent than that... Some anti-abortion folks might disagree. Just saying. ...wait...where'd the goalposts go?  |
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