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Post by nu5ncbigred on May 19, 2023 1:30:48 GMT -5
The pledge isn’t 200 years old. It’s there now. We won’t give it up ever voluntarily. You secularists will have to bring the nation to the brink to take it away from us because we will defend it strongly enough that you will have to chose to literally break the nation to take it away, just like the 2A . We have them and will keep them as long as we are the United States of America. Our remaining institutions that we cherish still will be defended to that kind of extent. That’s the only way to stop the secular progressive left. To make them literally break the nation apart piece by piece forcibly to take any more of our culture and values from us. I’m not a secular leftist. You need to stop with the BS labels for anyone who disagrees with you. This idea that God must somehow be forced into government is nonsensical. Teddy Roosevelt was a helluva president and a Republican, and he thought it unconstitutional to put God into government. That’s the way it should be. Quit your whining. In God We Trust.
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Post by nu5ncbigred on May 19, 2023 1:33:39 GMT -5
?? Wasn't the first version in about 1890? Yep. So, we survived with no pledge….words or no, then survived another 60 or so with the pledge, still no “under God”. So this idea that the country can’t function without that acknowledgment is bupkis. No one openly said the country couldn’t survive without it. I simply said that we believers won’t let your side take it out anytime soon.
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Post by cbisbig on May 19, 2023 5:18:17 GMT -5
Because "Under God" wasn't written in until '54 Ok? So it wasn’t required or necessary prior to 1954, and we seemed to get along just fine without it being in there. Times change
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 19, 2023 6:14:26 GMT -5
I’m not a secular leftist. You need to stop with the BS labels for anyone who disagrees with you. This idea that God must somehow be forced into government is nonsensical. Teddy Roosevelt was a helluva president and a Republican, and he thought it unconstitutional to put God into government. That’s the way it should be. Quit your whining. In God We Trust. Nice fold.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 19, 2023 6:15:54 GMT -5
Ok? So it wasn’t required or necessary prior to 1954, and we seemed to get along just fine without it being in there. Times change And?
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 19, 2023 6:17:49 GMT -5
Yep. So, we survived with no pledge….words or no, then survived another 60 or so with the pledge, still no “under God”. So this idea that the country can’t function without that acknowledgment is bupkis. No one openly said the country couldn’t survive without it. I simply said that we believers won’t let your side take it out anytime soon. You didn’t openly say that? Then why did you bring it up to begin with?
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Post by cbisbig on May 19, 2023 6:44:26 GMT -5
We live in two different almost irreconcilable worlds. The issue how to save America as if or if we can…I hope we can. "...one nation, Under God indivisible..." Remember that? Fify
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Post by cbisbig on May 19, 2023 6:49:40 GMT -5
Do you still wear birkenstocks, bellbottem jeans, drive a pinto, use an outdoor antenna for tv, have a car phone...ect? Times change
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 19, 2023 6:55:42 GMT -5
Do you still wear birkenstocks, bellbottem jeans, drive a pinto, use an outdoor antenna for tv, have a car phone...ect? Times change Ah, of course…the foundation of our government shift like bellbottom jeans…
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Post by cbisbig on May 19, 2023 8:26:54 GMT -5
Do you still wear birkenstocks, bellbottem jeans, drive a pinto, use an outdoor antenna for tv, have a car phone...ect? Times change Ah, of course…the foundation of our government shift like bellbottom jeans… TIMES CHANGE is the point
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Post by arkon on May 19, 2023 8:47:51 GMT -5
Ah, of course…the foundation of our government shift like bellbottom jeans… TIMES CHANGE is the point I agree... but for reasons other than the phrasing of the Pledge of Allegiance. 2nd amendment, for EXample.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 19, 2023 9:02:46 GMT -5
Ah, of course…the foundation of our government shift like bellbottom jeans… TIMES CHANGE is the point Got it. So I guess nothing is sacred so long as “times change”…
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Post by nu5ncbigred on May 19, 2023 12:04:48 GMT -5
TIMES CHANGE is the point Got it. So I guess nothing is sacred so long as “times change”… The bill of rights and the 2 mottos and pledge as is are untouchable for the rest of time as long as our republic shall exist.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 19, 2023 12:09:31 GMT -5
Got it. So I guess nothing is sacred so long as “times change”… The bill of rights and the 2 mottos and pledge as is are untouchable for the rest of time as long as our republic shall exist. “Untouchable”? What the bill of rights mean is constantly evolving. It’s being “touched” on a regular basis. Whether we change a motto or the pledge now is irrelevant. We didn’t need them prior to 1954…and the country existed, evolved, and progressed…but now, we can’t function without some sort of sworn fealty.
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Post by burninbush on May 19, 2023 13:17:52 GMT -5
The bill of rights and the 2 mottos and pledge as is are untouchable for the rest of time as long as our republic shall exist. “Untouchable”? What the bill of rights mean is constantly evolving. It’s being “touched” on a regular basis. Whether we change a motto or the pledge now is irrelevant. We didn’t need them prior to 1954…and the country existed, evolved, and progressed…but now, we can’t function without some sort of sworn fealty. We now have Christian rules. There's your change.
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