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Post by kaz on May 20, 2023 12:32:26 GMT -5
Neither did accredited draftsman Frank Lloyd Wright. Shrug…so what? Fred isn’t Frank Lloyd Wright. And you aren't Clarence Darrow. Get off your high horse.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 20, 2023 12:38:51 GMT -5
Shrug…so what? Fred isn’t Frank Lloyd Wright. And you aren't Clarence Darrow. Get off your high horse. Get your nose out of his ass, clown. I never claimed, without a degree, to casually suggest I knew more about a subject than someone with a degree in that subject.
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Post by kaz on May 20, 2023 12:43:59 GMT -5
And you aren't Clarence Darrow. Get off your high horse. Get your nose out of his ass, clown. Right back at ya, Clarence.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 20, 2023 12:47:18 GMT -5
Get your nose out of his ass, clown. Right back at ya, Clarence. Makes no sense in this discussion. Try harder.
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Post by daleko on May 20, 2023 12:51:38 GMT -5
Neither did accredited draftsman Frank Lloyd Wright. Shrug…so what? Fred isn’t Frank Lloyd Wright. Very few were and are. And it may or may not be because of intellect or talent. So, perhaps, we can agree, the meme draftsman, by itself, is not pejorative, though you chose to use it as one. The sports' fields are littered w top level talent who could have been GOATS but for whatever reason weren't. Hell, welcome to life.
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Post by Panama pfRedd on May 20, 2023 12:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 20, 2023 12:55:56 GMT -5
Shrug…so what? Fred isn’t Frank Lloyd Wright. Very few were and are. And it may or may not be because of intellect or talent. So, perhaps, we can agree, the meme draftsman, by itself, is not pejorative, though you chose to use it as one. The sports' fields are littered w top level talent who could have been GOATS but for whatever reason weren't. Hell, welcome to life. I use it as a pejorative because throughout our discussion, he’s expressed insecurity about that reality. But I’ll certainly recall this in future discussions where your silence when similar pejorative words are lobbed against others.
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Post by daleko on May 20, 2023 13:09:23 GMT -5
Very few were and are. And it may or may not be because of intellect or talent. So, perhaps, we can agree, the meme draftsman, by itself, is not pejorative, though you chose to use it as one. The sports' fields are littered w top level talent who could have been GOATS but for whatever reason weren't. Hell, welcome to life. I use it as a pejorative because throughout our discussion, he’s expressed insecurity about that reality. But I’ll certainly recall this in future discussions where your silence when similar pejorative words are lobbed against others. Have at it. But on a free board I get to choose what I comment on. This one always bothered me when Walt used it. And now you. There is always one smarter than another. I thought it was misguided then and do today. And unlike many here, I chose not to just shout insults. I backed it up w a logical reason why your attempted insult was terribly misguided. You apparently agree, given your moving the goal posts to include, through implication, that I don't do it every time I see it. That doesn't change the fact that draftsmen, like Wright, aren't necessarily of a lesser intellect. Unless, off course, you think they all are because they are draftsmen.
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Post by Walter on May 20, 2023 13:19:19 GMT -5
A draftsman, by definition, does not need to have a clue about what it is he is drawing. He is an illustrator. Thus the context of the initial meme from me was a response to Fred's claim of having more professional knowledge than a licensed individual. I merely pointed out that the State of California disagreed with that assertion, and that Fred had an avenue available to him to prove his acumen, but declined the challenge. So...yeah...pejorative. And an architect is essentially an artist and in today's world an admin. Major part of the team that builds the world but compared to an architectural engineers, by your definition, of lesser academic challenge. And also behind the people who make it all fly high, the folks who manipulate the money. We've had this conversation. Many parts to a team. Today. they've been replaced but in their day, they were part of the team. All treated w respect.
If you google great draftsmen you get, Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo. Not exactly folks of lesser intellect.
Off course you know Frank Lloyd Wright was an accredited draftsman and was admitted to the University of Wisconsin–Madison as a special student. Remind me where he got his architecture degree. Your normal pejorative insult is misguided.'Lesser academic challenge'? Disagree, big time... And yes, many parts of the team. But a draftsman ain't an Engineer, ain't a businessman, ain't an Architect, ain't even a manufacturer or material supplier, all of whom put their reputations and their money on the line if they err. If what he draws fails, his boss eats shit, not him.
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Post by nu5ncbigred on May 20, 2023 13:26:39 GMT -5
Wow, I'm pretty popular with the blocked crowd around here! If it wasn't for daleko quoting these miscreants I'd have no idea that they've been adoring me so! This thread is proof positive that the left and the right do live in two different and irreconcilable Americas today.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 20, 2023 13:34:50 GMT -5
I use it as a pejorative because throughout our discussion, he’s expressed insecurity about that reality. But I’ll certainly recall this in future discussions where your silence when similar pejorative words are lobbed against others. Have at it. But on a free board I get to choose what I comment on. This one always bothered me when Walt used it. And now you. There is always one smarter than another. I thought it was misguided then and do today. And unlike many here, I chose not to just shout insults. I backed it up w a logical reason why your attempted insult was terribly misguided. You apparently agree, given your moving the goal posts to include, through implication, that I don't do it every time I see it. That doesn't change the fact that draftsmen, like Wright, aren't necessarily of a lesser intellect. Unless, off course, you think they all are because they are draftsmen.I never suggested they were of lesser intellect. I took issue with Fred’s assertion that he had more intellect on architectural matters than a licensed architect, and did not obtain the degree because, per his suggestion, that he didn’t want to be saddled with the arrogance that comes with the degree. So, in response to what I saw as insecurity on the subject…I employed the label of what he is, as opposed to what he’s holding himself out to be. You do what you want…I don’t give a shit. But don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. There’s plenty of bad behavior on here to criticize. If you wanna single me out but sit with your thumb in your ass while the rest of folks keep schlepping out the same garbage…you’re gonna hear about it from me.
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Post by daleko on May 20, 2023 13:36:47 GMT -5
And an architect is essentially an artist and in today's world an admin. Major part of the team that builds the world but compared to an architectural engineers, by your definition, of lesser academic challenge. And also behind the people who make it all fly high, the folks who manipulate the money. We've had this conversation. Many parts to a team. Today. they've been replaced but in their day, they were part of the team. All treated w respect.
If you google great draftsmen you get, Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo. Not exactly folks of lesser intellect.
Off course you know Frank Lloyd Wright was an accredited draftsman and was admitted to the University of Wisconsin–Madison as a special student. Remind me where he got his architecture degree. Your normal pejorative insult is misguided. 'Lesser academic challenge'? Disagree, big time... And yes, many parts of the team. But a draftsman ain't an Engineer, ain't a businessman, ain't an Architect, ain't even a manufacturer or material supplier, all of whom put their reputations and their money on the line if they err. If what he draws fails, his boss eats shit, not him. But a draftsman, because of what he does, isn't cut from a less quality cloth, intellectually. It is, for whatever reason, what they do. The smarmy comment about draftsmen is just that. And just an opinion about an individual, using a misguided meme. Unless you think FLW was a dope. Or LdV. You disagreeing w others' view on architects V AEs is the same thing. Thank you. Ding.
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Post by daleko on May 20, 2023 13:40:09 GMT -5
Have at it. But on a free board I get to choose what I comment on. This one always bothered me when Walt used it. And now you. There is always one smarter than another. I thought it was misguided then and do today. And unlike many here, I chose not to just shout insults. I backed it up w a logical reason why your attempted insult was terribly misguided. You apparently agree, given your moving the goal posts to include, through implication, that I don't do it every time I see it. That doesn't change the fact that draftsmen, like Wright, aren't necessarily of a lesser intellect. Unless, off course, you think they all are because they are draftsmen. I never suggested they were of lesser intellect. I took issue with Fred’s assertion that he had more intellect on architectural matters than a licensed architect, and did not obtain the degree because, per his suggestion, that he didn’t want to be saddled with the arrogance that comes with the degree. So, in response to what I saw as insecurity on the subject…I employed the label of what he is, as opposed to what he’s holding himself out to be. You do what you want…I don’t give a shit. But don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. There’s plenty of bad behavior on here to criticize. If you wanna single me out but sit with your thumb in your ass while the rest of folks keep schlepping out the same garbage…you’re gonna hear about it from me. Have at it. But at its core the meme of "draftsman" was a misguided attempt at an insult. Terribly misguided.
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Post by Walter on May 20, 2023 13:59:01 GMT -5
I never suggested they were of lesser intellect. I took issue with Fred’s assertion that he had more intellect on architectural matters than a licensed architect, and did not obtain the degree because, per his suggestion, that he didn’t want to be saddled with the arrogance that comes with the degree. So, in response to what I saw as insecurity on the subject…I employed the label of what he is, as opposed to what he’s holding himself out to be. You do what you want…I don’t give a shit. But don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. There’s plenty of bad behavior on here to criticize. If you wanna single me out but sit with your thumb in your ass while the rest of folks keep schlepping out the same garbage…you’re gonna hear about it from me. Have at it. But at its core the meme of "draftsman" was a misguided attempt at an insult. Terribly misguided.It isn't misguided if there is isn't any evidence offered to the contrary. If you had to blindly choose the person to design your building and knew of none from either group, what would be your first act; look up draftsmen in the Yellow Pages or look up Architects? Are there talented unlicensed people? Sure, and in all professions. Some people just have a gift at what they do and it matters not what the .gov says. Are their a lot of them? No. I've run into a lot of unlicensed people in my career that held themselves out as superior at the job than the licensed versions, from plumbers, to contractors, to draftsmen. Almost all of them, IMO, overestimated their talent. In short, for every Leonardo Di Vinci, there are a billion fingerpainters.
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Post by daleko on May 20, 2023 14:05:52 GMT -5
Have at it. But at its core the meme of "draftsman" was a misguided attempt at an insult. Terribly misguided. It isn't misguided if there is isn't any evidence offered to the contrary. If you had to blindly choose the person to design your building and knew of none from either group, what would be your first act; look up draftsmen in the Yellow Pages or look up Architects? Are there talented unlicensed people? Sure, and in all professions. Some people just have a gift at what they do and it matters not what the .gov says. Are their a lot of them? No. I've run into a lot of unlicensed people in my career that held themselves out as superior at the job than the licensed versions, from plumbers, to contractors, to draftsmen. Almost all of them, IMO, overestimated their talent. In short, for every Leonardo Di Vinci, there are a billion fingerpainters. And not all draftsmen are dunces. Actually I thought you might go to my opinion on illegals. I gave you the opening. Now I can just use your quote.
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