Heroic Survivors Describe What Happened in WTC on 9/11

[oujour76]

Sept 20, 2023 9:05:36 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Sept 20, 2023 7:36:34 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

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[DrSchadenfreude]

I'll mail the NRA a $1 dollar bill, Harry, with a photo of the dollar and the envelope.

Now.  You finally admit that 9/11 hero William Rodriguez has been telling the truth all along!!  Terrific!!

So, what caused the powerful explosion in the North Tower basement, before the first plane hit the WTC on 9/11?

Any ideas?

[daleko]

Sept 20, 2023 13:32:47 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I'll mail the NRA a $1 dollar bill, Harry, with a photo of the dollar and the envelope.

Now.  You finally admit that 9/11 hero William Rodriguez has been telling the truth all along!!  Terrific!!

So, what caused the powerful explosion in the North Tower basement, before the first plane hit the WTC on 9/11?

Any ideas?

He told the truth as he thought it so. He was wrong. The plane hit the towers and drove fireballs down all of the elevator shafts. Time dilation is common in high stress situations.

Did he tell the truth when he said he, the janitor, recognized the pilot who flew the aircraft, out of the thousands he saw in his job, as a janitor, over three months before 9/11 after he briefly and in passing allegedly saw the one man in a group of many men and women? Really, are you going to believe that? That was bullshit. There was no reason to note the individual then. If you used security footage and picked out another one person from that or another day, and inserted that headshot inserted in the same background w 30 others he wouldn't pick out spit.

Like I said, he may believe the timeframe but it's wrong and his contention lacks credibility. Actually, outside that he helped the NYFD open doors w his master key, he lacks credibility, as a witness.

Nice to see you are supporting the NRA. Willie, NRA supporter. Has a nice ring to it.

[oujour76]

Sept 20, 2023 13:32:47 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I'll mail the NRA a $1 dollar bill, Harry, with a photo of the dollar and the envelope.

Now.  You finally admit that 9/11 hero William Rodriguez has been telling the truth all along!!  Terrific!!

So, what caused the powerful explosion in the North Tower basement, before the first plane hit the WTC on 9/11?

Any ideas?

Not exactly. You asked if I thought he lied. I don't....I think he's incorrect, not that he's a liar. It's not unusual for eyewitnesses under stress to get major details wrong, which I believe is the case here. FTR, I don't believe there was an explosion in the basement before the plane hit the WTC.

As for your dollar and an envelope....that's not proof, a paid receipt to the NRA Foundation in your name would be a different story.

[Panama pfRedd]

Too bad he's firing blanks and sleeping in a separate bedroom for years now... poor thing.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Geez...the guys on this forum are hopelessly ignorant and dishonest, with one or two exceptions.

It's obvious that you clowns never studied Rodriguez's detailed witness testimony.

[AlaCowboy]

Sept 20, 2023 16:07:35 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Geez...the guys on this forum are hopelessly ignorant and dishonest, with one or two exceptions.

It's obvious that you clowns never studied Rodriguez's detailed witness testimony.

So are you going to welsh on that bet like you do with all your bets?

[daleko]

Sept 20, 2023 16:07:35 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Geez...the guys on this forum are hopelessly ignorant and dishonest, with one or two exceptions.

It's obvious that you clowns never studied Rodriguez's detailed witness testimony.

The Feds/locals interviewed Rod and the three others in the basement. They all gave different timelines. That's common. He really had no input re 9/11 conspiracy, absent from guys like you who think because he heroically opened doors for the NYFD he is more than another misguided witness. They all heard multiple explosions, from doors being blown open......... from Av fuel. Again I ask you, is it reasonable anyone could remember seeing the pilot from a group of people, the pilot who he said he only saw quickly in passing, three months after he saw said pilot. He saw thousands of people in his role as janitor, cleaning the floors in the public areas.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Sept 20, 2023 16:37:15 GMT -5 daleko said:

Sept 20, 2023 16:07:35 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Geez...the guys on this forum are hopelessly ignorant and dishonest, with one or two exceptions.

It's obvious that you clowns never studied Rodriguez's detailed witness testimony.

The Feds/locals interviewed Rod and the three others in the basement. They all gave different timelines. That's common. He really had no input re 9/11 conspiracy, absent from guys like you who think because he heroically opened doors for the NYFD he is more than another misguided witness. They all heard multiple explosions, from doors being blown open......... from Av fuel. Again I ask you, is it reasonable anyone could remember seeing the pilot from a group of people, the pilot who he said he only saw quickly in passing, three months after he saw said pilot. He saw thousands of people in his role as janitor, cleaning the floors in the public areas.

Get a clue, Daflekto.  Don't remain a clueless blockhead forever.

1)  Multiple highly credible witnesses- including William Rodriguez and several NYFD firemen who were in the North Tower on 9/11--described the serial explosions that demolished those steel skyscrapers.  They also described liquid steel flowing at Ground Zero.

2)  The serial explosions that demolished the Twin Towers are plainly visible (and audible) on film.

3)  Something had to abruptly demolish the massive steel substructures for them to fall to the ground and near free fall acceleration.

Three strikes and you're out.  Period.

[AlaCowboy]

Sept 20, 2023 18:57:33 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Sept 20, 2023 16:37:15 GMT -5 daleko said:

The Feds/locals interviewed Rod and the three others in the basement. They all gave different timelines. That's common. He really had no input re 9/11 conspiracy, absent from guys like you who think because he heroically opened doors for the NYFD he is more than another misguided witness. They all heard multiple explosions, from doors being blown open......... from Av fuel. Again I ask you, is it reasonable anyone could remember seeing the pilot from a group of people, the pilot who he said he only saw quickly in passing, three months after he saw said pilot. He saw thousands of people in his role as janitor, cleaning the floors in the public areas.

Get a clue, Daflekto.  Don't remain a clueless blockhead forever.

1)  Multiple highly credible witnesses- including William Rodriguez and several NYFD firemen who were in the North Tower on 9/11--described the serial explosions that demolished those steel skyscrapers.  They also described liquid steel flowing at Ground Zero.

2)  The serial explosions that demolished the Twin Towers are plainly visible (and audible) on film.

3)  Something had to abruptly demolish the massive steel substructures for them to fall to the ground and near free fall acceleration.

Three strikes and you're out.  Period.

You claim these mysterious "explosions" occurred before the first plane hit. If these basement "explosions" destroyed the support columns, why did the buildings not begin to fall immediately? Can you explain how a 1,100 ft. tall concrete and steel building stayed suspended in the air without support columns at its base?

[daleko]

Sept 20, 2023 18:57:33 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Sept 20, 2023 16:37:15 GMT -5 daleko said:

The Feds/locals interviewed Rod and the three others in the basement. They all gave different timelines. That's common. He really had no input re 9/11 conspiracy, absent from guys like you who think because he heroically opened doors for the NYFD he is more than another misguided witness. They all heard multiple explosions, from doors being blown open......... from Av fuel. Again I ask you, is it reasonable anyone could remember seeing the pilot from a group of people, the pilot who he said he only saw quickly in passing, three months after he saw said pilot. He saw thousands of people in his role as janitor, cleaning the floors in the public areas.

Get a clue, Daflekto.  Don't remain a clueless blockhead forever.

1)  Multiple highly credible witnesses- including William Rodriguez and several NYFD firemen who were in the North Tower on 9/11--described the serial explosions that demolished those steel skyscrapers.  They also described liquid steel flowing at Ground Zero.

2)  The serial explosions that demolished the Twin Towers are plainly visible (and audible) on film.

3)  Something had to abruptly demolish the massive steel substructures for them to fall to the ground and near free fall acceleration.

Three strikes and you're out.  Period.

Classic you don't know what you don't know. And you don't know shit about structural engineering or demolition engineering. I try to instruct you. Let them you have ears listen. IYC, deaf and stupid is not a good way to go through life, Mr. pimple of knowledge. Make up your own facts or should I say facts created by conspiracy addicts but it doesn't change what really happened.

[oujour76]

Sept 20, 2023 16:07:35 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Geez...the guys on this forum are hopelessly ignorant and dishonest, with one or two exceptions.

It's obvious that you clowns never studied Rodriguez's detailed witness testimony.

Are you suggesting that eyewitness testimony can’t be incorrect?

[DrSchadenfreude]

Sept 21, 2023 12:02:37 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sept 20, 2023 16:07:35 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Geez...the guys on this forum are hopelessly ignorant and dishonest, with one or two exceptions.

It's obvious that you clowns never studied Rodriguez's detailed witness testimony.

Are you suggesting that eyewitness testimony can’t be incorrect?

I'm stipulating that your claim about William Rodriguez not accurately recalling the dramatic sequence of events in the North Tower on 9/11 is complete horseshit.

It's one of the dumbest things you've ever posted-- which is saying a lot, given your history of posting horseshit on this forum.

Rodriguez clearly recounted the history of the sub-basement explosion in the North Tower, and the burned man whom he assisted afterwards.

That explosion occurred prior to the nose of the GPS-guided plane hitting Paul Bremer's office.

For you to claim that William Rodriguez didn't correctly recall that critical sequence of events is, frankly, ridiculous-- like 90% of your forum posts.

It's like you telling the forum that our rapidly vanishing Antarctic ice is "increasing."

[oujour76]

Sept 21, 2023 18:33:01 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Sept 21, 2023 12:02:37 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Are you suggesting that eyewitness testimony can’t be incorrect?

I'm stipulating that your claim about William Rodriguez not accurately recalling the dramatic sequence of events in the North Tower on 9/11 is complete horseshit.

It's one of the dumbest things you've ever posted-- which is saying a lot, given your history of posting horseshit on this forum.

Rodriguez clearly recounted the history of the sub-basement explosion in the North Tower, and the burned man whom he assisted afterwards.

That explosion occurred prior to the nose of the GPS-guided plane hitting Paul Bremer's office.

For you to claim that William Rodriguez didn't correctly recall that critical sequence of events is, frankly, ridiculous-- like 90% of your forum posts.

It's like you telling the forum that our rapidly vanishing Antarctic ice is "increasing."

Good to know that eyewitness testimony is never wrong. I imagine there are lots of people in prison who would disagree.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Sept 21, 2023 19:05:11 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sept 21, 2023 18:33:01 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I'm stipulating that your claim about William Rodriguez not accurately recalling the dramatic sequence of events in the North Tower on 9/11 is complete horseshit.

It's one of the dumbest things you've ever posted-- which is saying a lot, given your history of posting horseshit on this forum.

Rodriguez clearly recounted the history of the sub-basement explosion in the North Tower, and the burned man whom he assisted afterwards.

That explosion occurred prior to the nose of the GPS-guided plane hitting Paul Bremer's office.

For you to claim that William Rodriguez didn't correctly recall that critical sequence of events is, frankly, ridiculous-- like 90% of your forum posts.

It's like you telling the forum that our rapidly vanishing Antarctic ice is "increasing."

Good to know that eyewitness testimony is never wrong. I imagine there are lots of people in prison who would disagree.

Cut the crap, Harry.

My comment was specifically about William Rodriguez's report about the sequence of events he witnessed first hand in the North Tower on 9/11-- while saving lives and assisting the burn victim who was injured in the basement explosion that happened before the first plane hit the North Tower.

Your claim about Rodriguez is horseshit.  Period.