What could go wrong with this?

[dilligaf]

Oct 28, 2023 9:34:46 GMT -5 Walter said:

Oct 27, 2023 21:46:15 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Card's guns were owned/controlled by a MENTAL CASE.

What part of that doesn't compute with you?

Most Americans who own guns are NOT mental cases, and they should in no way be punished or persecuted by loony liberals.

Somewhere tonight, people will be killed by falling in the bathroom.
Should we outlaw indoor bathrooms, comrade?

DON'T try the "building codes" bullshit either.

Firearms are also required to be constructed in a safe manner, with materials that have passed rigorous testing.

Get serious. Gun nuts don't even like red flag laws. There is vitually not anyone a gun nut does not believe has a right to own a gun.

Y'all simply do not care about those killed by them.

Damn! I believe you have surpassed Joe Bitem AND PsychoTheRapist in the telling lies category!!

Where do you dream up this stuff?

Define "gun nut."

NO ONE is killed by a gun.   They are killed by someone who misuses an inanimate object.

It was that Dart nutcase who killed 18 people and himself.   The gun did nothing that it was not commanded to do.

None of my guns have ever harmed anyone.  None of them ever will, unless I have to command one of them to do so for defense of myself or someone else.

I regret the loss of life of ANY murder victim, and I have seen quite a few of them.

Funny thing, not a single firearm ever confessed to, or was convicted of killing those people.
You obviously don't give a shit about the people who are stabbed, strangled, or beaten to death.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Oct 27, 2023 21:47:33 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Oct 27, 2023 17:54:41 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

During my 40 year psychiatric career, we witnessed the step-wise defunding of public- and private-sector psychiatric hospital beds in Colorado.

The demand for psychiatric beds remained high, but we witnessed a 70% decline in private sector funding of inpatient psychiatric treatment from 1990 to 2000, following the advent of "managed care."

There were similar cuts in state hospital services.

Our high-quality, private hospital ward at University Hospital was closed in 2000, because the University was losing money on it-- despite the persistent high demand for inpatient services.

Three of my colleagues and I ended up leaving the University in 2000, and sharing a private out-patient suite for the next 18 years.

A few years later, the University closed their last remaining adult psychiatric ward-- a unit that focused on the treatment of severely mentally ill adults.

So, when UCHSC grad student James Holmes needed to be hospitalized, the University had no psych beds.  Holmes ended up buying guns and ammo and massacring people at a Batman movie. 

Which proves the guns and ammo were NOT to blame.
Thank you.

Huh?

How many people in the theater would James Holmes have killed without guns and ammo?

[AlaCowboy]

Oct 28, 2023 18:15:16 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 27, 2023 21:47:33 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Which proves the guns and ammo were NOT to blame.
Thank you.

Huh?

How many people in the theater would James Holmes have killed without guns and ammo?

Had he gone in with knives and a machete, how many would he have killed? 4? 6? 10? Are you claiming that mentally ill people killing others by methods other than guns isn't a problem? It's only the guns that make it bad?

[DrSchadenfreude]

Oct 29, 2023 14:37:01 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oct 28, 2023 18:15:16 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Huh?

How many people in the theater would James Holmes have killed without guns and ammo?

Had he gone in with knives and a machete, how many would he have killed? 4? 6? 10? Are you claiming that mentally ill people killing others by methods other than guns isn't a problem? It's only the guns that make it bad?

Look at the multi-factorial analyses.

Gun prevalence is the decisive factor determining our sky high U.S. gun homicide rates in comparison with other advanced societies.

Stop living the Republicon lie.

[daleko]

Oct 28, 2023 18:15:16 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 27, 2023 21:47:33 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Which proves the guns and ammo were NOT to blame.
Thank you.

Huh?

How many people in the theater would James Holmes have killed without guns and ammo?

If he had grad from Harvard, was a math wizard, tutored freshman, and was named Ted Kaczynsky all of them. If he was a rag wearing a vest, all of them.plus he would have leveled the building.

[AlaCowboy]

Oct 29, 2023 14:46:03 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 29, 2023 14:37:01 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Had he gone in with knives and a machete, how many would he have killed? 4? 6? 10? Are you claiming that mentally ill people killing others by methods other than guns isn't a problem? It's only the guns that make it bad?

Look at the multi-factorial analyses.

Gun prevalence is the decisive factor determining our sky high U.S. gun homicide rates in comparison with other advanced societies.

Stop living the Republicon lie.

Gun prevalence is related to gun homicide rates? Takes a Harvard grad to figure that out.
But you didn't answer my question.
Had he killed 4 or 5 with a machete would it have been ok with you? Is it only the probability that a mentally ill person can kill a few more with a gun than with a machete?

[oujour76]

Oct 30, 2023 7:59:37 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oct 29, 2023 14:46:03 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Look at the multi-factorial analyses.

Gun prevalence is the decisive factor determining our sky high U.S. gun homicide rates in comparison with other advanced societies.

Stop living the Republicon lie.

Gun prevalence is related to gun homicide rates? Takes a Harvard grad to figure that out.
But you didn't answer my question.
Had he killed 4 or 5 with a machete would it have been ok with you? Is it only the probability that a mentally ill person can kill a few more with a gun than with a machete?

He’s just regurgitating whatever nonsense gets planted in his head from someone else. And then he’ll move on. Notice how silent he’s been lately about the Al-Ahli Arab hospital? Gee, wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that the initial story has fallen apart? In truth, I don’t wonder. 😂 He saw something online and regurgitated it instead of checking and verifying. Rinse and repeat.

[Walter]

Oct 30, 2023 7:59:37 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oct 29, 2023 14:46:03 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Look at the multi-factorial analyses.

Gun prevalence is the decisive factor determining our sky high U.S. gun homicide rates in comparison with other advanced societies.

Stop living the Republicon lie.

Gun prevalence is related to gun homicide rates? Takes a Harvard grad to figure that out.
But you didn't answer my question.
Had he killed 4 or 5 with a machete would it have been ok with you? Is it only the probability that a mentally ill person can kill a few more with a gun than with a machete?

No. If he killed with a machete, it would definitely NOT be ok.
And if there were machete massacres almost weekly in the US, is there any doubt that everyone, even gun nuts, would want machetes banned? I suspect not.
Yet you can still buy a nearly military grade rifle anywhere in America today.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Oct 30, 2023 8:25:39 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Oct 30, 2023 7:59:37 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Gun prevalence is related to gun homicide rates? Takes a Harvard grad to figure that out.
But you didn't answer my question.
Had he killed 4 or 5 with a machete would it have been ok with you? Is it only the probability that a mentally ill person can kill a few more with a gun than with a machete?

He’s just regurgitating whatever nonsense gets planted in his head from someone else. And then he’ll move on. Notice how silent he’s been lately about the Al-Ahli Arab hospital? Gee, wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that the initial story has fallen apart? In truth, I don’t wonder. 😂 He saw something online and regurgitated it instead of checking and verifying. Rinse and repeat.

More horseshit from Harry, the lying salesman.  It can't be said any more accurately than I said it-- in another original commentary.

Gun prevalence is the decisive variable in our sky-high U.S. homicide rates, compared to other G-7 nations.  Period.

Harry's problem is that; 1) he didn't go to school with highly intelligent, educated people.  He can't even recognize them in conversations where they debunk his bunk, and 2) even if could understand the arguments, he would lie about the evidence.

[daleko]

Oct 30, 2023 11:08:00 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 30, 2023 8:25:39 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

He’s just regurgitating whatever nonsense gets planted in his head from someone else. And then he’ll move on. Notice how silent he’s been lately about the Al-Ahli Arab hospital? Gee, wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that the initial story has fallen apart? In truth, I don’t wonder. 😂 He saw something online and regurgitated it instead of checking and verifying. Rinse and repeat.

More horseshit from Horseshit Harry, the lying salesman.  It can't be said any more accurately than I said it-- in another original commentary.

Gun prevalence is the decisive variable in our sky-high U.S. homicide rates, compared to other G-7 nations.  Period.

Harry's problem is that; 1) he didn't go to school with highly intelligent, educated people.  He can't even recognize them in conversations where they debunk his bunk, and 2) even if could understand the arguments, he would lie about the evidence.

And the Unabomber, who was a Harvard grad, didn't need guns to kill. Or how about Timothy James McVeigh, Ramzi Yousef?

[AlaCowboy]

Oct 30, 2023 9:47:19 GMT -5 Walter said:

Oct 30, 2023 7:59:37 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Gun prevalence is related to gun homicide rates? Takes a Harvard grad to figure that out.
But you didn't answer my question.
Had he killed 4 or 5 with a machete would it have been ok with you? Is it only the probability that a mentally ill person can kill a few more with a gun than with a machete?

No. If he killed with a machete, it would definitely NOT be ok.
And if there were machete massacres almost weekly in the US, is there any doubt that everyone, even gun nuts, would want machetes banned? I suspect not.
Yet you can still buy a nearly military grade rifle anywhere in America today.

Describe a "nearly military grade" rifle.

[oujour76]

Oct 30, 2023 11:08:00 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 30, 2023 8:25:39 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

He’s just regurgitating whatever nonsense gets planted in his head from someone else. And then he’ll move on. Notice how silent he’s been lately about the Al-Ahli Arab hospital? Gee, wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that the initial story has fallen apart? In truth, I don’t wonder. 😂 He saw something online and regurgitated it instead of checking and verifying. Rinse and repeat.

More horseshit from Horseshit Harry, the lying salesman.  It can't be said any more accurately than I said it-- in another original commentary.

Gun prevalence is the decisive variable in our sky-high U.S. homicide rates, compared to other G-7 nations.  Period.

Harry's problem is that; 1) he didn't go to school with highly intelligent, educated people.  He can't even recognize them in conversations where they debunk his bunk, and 2) even if could understand the arguments, he would lie about the evidence.

1. 50% of the guns in the U.S. are owned by 3% of American adults. Does that mean that 3% account for 50% of homicides?

2. I notice you ignored the Al-Ahli Arab hospital statement.  The hospital you have repeatedly claimed was demolished, is in fact, still standing. See the news report below.....turns out that whatever did hit landed in a parking lot, not the hospital, with little damage to the hospital buildings. Yet, like the dutiful useful idiot you are, you repeat the Hamas propaganda.  

"Photos from the following day also appear to show little damage to the hospital buildings, and a relatively small blast zone from the explosion. That damage pattern is inconsistent with a large air-dropped bomb, which would leave a crater and create a shockwave that would damage or destroy surrounding structures, says Marc Garlasco, a former targeting officer for the U.S. military who now works for PAX, a Netherlands-based non-profit.

"It's very clear to me that this is not an airstrike," Garlasco says. Israeli bombs typically leave craters three to ten meters in size, and are designed to create a large shockwave that propels shrapnel over a large area.

The lack of both shrapnel damage and structural damage to the hospital is inconsistent with all types of commonly used Israeli bombs and artillery shells, he says."

[DrSchadenfreude]

Oct 30, 2023 11:54:06 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Oct 30, 2023 11:08:00 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

More horseshit from Horseshit Harry, the lying salesman.  It can't be said any more accurately than I said it-- in another original commentary.

Gun prevalence is the decisive variable in our sky-high U.S. homicide rates, compared to other G-7 nations.  Period.

Harry's problem is that; 1) he didn't go to school with highly intelligent, educated people.  He can't even recognize them in conversations where they debunk his bunk, and 2) even if could understand the arguments, he would lie about the evidence.

1. 50% of the guns in the U.S. are owned by 3% of American adults. Does that mean that 3% account for 50% of homicides?

2. I notice you ignored the Al-Ahli Arab hospital statement.  The hospital you have repeatedly claimed was demolished, is in fact, still standing. See the news report below.....turns out that whatever did hit landed in a parking lot, not the hospital, with little damage to the hospital buildings. Yet, like the dutiful useful idiot you are, you repeat the Hamas propaganda.  

"Photos from the following day also appear to show little damage to the hospital buildings, and a relatively small blast zone from the explosion. That damage pattern is inconsistent with a large air-dropped bomb, which would leave a crater and create a shockwave that would damage or destroy surrounding structures, says Marc Garlasco, a former targeting officer for the U.S. military who now works for PAX, a Netherlands-based non-profit.

"It's very clear to me that this is not an airstrike," Garlasco says. Israeli bombs typically leave craters three to ten meters in size, and are designed to create a large shockwave that propels shrapnel over a large area.

The lack of both shrapnel damage and structural damage to the hospital is inconsistent with all types of commonly used Israeli bombs and artillery shells, he says."

Correcting Harry's latest horseshit.

I.





II.  www.unz.com/runz/pro-israel-propaganda-lies-vs-reality/

Over the last week some additional information has also come out regarding the huge October 17th explosion that rocked the grounds of Gaza’s largest Christian hospital, killing enormous numbers of the innocent civilians sheltering there and thereby igniting massive outrage across most of the world, especially among the nearly two billion Muslims.

As I had previously emphasized, an official Israeli spokesman had quickly taken credit for the hospital attack, which he boasted had killed several Hamas militants, but after reports of the enormous civilian death-toll began circulating, he quickly deleted his Tweet. The Israelis and their American patrons eventually declared that an errant Palestinian rocket had been responsible for the devastation, and this claim was credulously accepted across nearly all of the American mainstream media, including the New York Times, then repeated by our befuddled President Joseph Biden in his Oval Office address.

However, the evidence of Israeli culpability seemed overwhelming, as was admitted by a local BBC journalist covering the story. The massive scale of the explosion was entirely unlike anything produced by the small home-made rockets found in Palestinian arsenals, and the sound of the descending missile seemed identical to that of advanced Israeli munitions. The Israelis had admitted two previous bombing attacks against the same Christian hospital and just a couple of days later, an Israeli airstrike hit Gaza’s oldest Christian church, killing many civilians, including several relatives of former U.S. Congressman Justin Amash. Former CIA Analyst Larry Johnson has considerable military experience and all of these facts led him to firmly conclude that Israel had been responsible for the devastating loss of life.

Finally, a few days ago, a team of seven New York Times reporters and video analysts concluded that the contrary video evidence widely cited by Israeli and American officials to exculpate Israel was essentially fraudulent:

The video shows a projectile streaking through the darkened skies over Gaza and exploding in the air. Seconds later, another explosion is seen on the ground.

The footage has become a widely cited piece of evidence as Israeli and American officials have made the case that an errant Palestinian rocket malfunctioned in the sky, fell to the ground and caused a deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City.

But a detailed visual analysis by The New York Times concludes that the video clip — taken from an Al Jazeera television camera livestreaming on the night of Oct. 17 — shows something else. The missile seen in the video is most likely not what caused the explosion at the hospital. It actually detonated in the sky roughly two miles away, The Times found, and is an unrelated aspect of the fighting that unfolded over the Israeli-Gaza border that night.

This conclusion merely confirmed the suspicions earlier voiced by NYT Columnist Michelle Goldberg, who noted that Israel had notoriously lied about numerous far smaller atrocities over the years. Pulitzer Prize-winner Chris Hedges, who had spent fifteen years at the Times, including serving as its Middle East Bureau Chief, had condemned “Israel’s culture of deceit” in an article of that title, and this new information completely validated his harsh verdict.

[oujour76]

Oct 30, 2023 12:32:16 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 30, 2023 11:54:06 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

1. 50% of the guns in the U.S. are owned by 3% of American adults. Does that mean that 3% account for 50% of homicides?

2. I notice you ignored the Al-Ahli Arab hospital statement.  The hospital you have repeatedly claimed was demolished, is in fact, still standing. See the news report below.....turns out that whatever did hit landed in a parking lot, not the hospital, with little damage to the hospital buildings. Yet, like the dutiful useful idiot you are, you repeat the Hamas propaganda.  

"Photos from the following day also appear to show little damage to the hospital buildings, and a relatively small blast zone from the explosion. That damage pattern is inconsistent with a large air-dropped bomb, which would leave a crater and create a shockwave that would damage or destroy surrounding structures, says Marc Garlasco, a former targeting officer for the U.S. military who now works for PAX, a Netherlands-based non-profit.

"It's very clear to me that this is not an airstrike," Garlasco says. Israeli bombs typically leave craters three to ten meters in size, and are designed to create a large shockwave that propels shrapnel over a large area.

The lack of both shrapnel damage and structural damage to the hospital is inconsistent with all types of commonly used Israeli bombs and artillery shells, he says."

Correcting Harry's latest horseshit.

I.





II.  www.unz.com/runz/pro-israel-propaganda-lies-vs-reality/

Over the last week some additional information has also come out regarding the huge October 17th explosion that rocked the grounds of Gaza’s largest Christian hospital, killing enormous numbers of the innocent civilians sheltering there and thereby igniting massive outrage across most of the world, especially among the nearly two billion Muslims.

As I had previously emphasized, an official Israeli spokesman had quickly taken credit for the hospital attack, which he boasted had killed several Hamas militants, but after reports of the enormous civilian death-toll began circulating, he quickly deleted his Tweet. The Israelis and their American patrons eventually declared that an errant Palestinian rocket had been responsible for the devastation, and this claim was credulously accepted across nearly all of the American mainstream media, including the New York Times, then repeated by our befuddled President Joseph Biden in his Oval Office address.

However, the evidence of Israeli culpability seemed overwhelming, as was admitted by a local BBC journalist covering the story. The massive scale of the explosion was entirely unlike anything produced by the small home-made rockets found in Palestinian arsenals, and the sound of the descending missile seemed identical to that of advanced Israeli munitions. The Israelis had admitted two previous bombing attacks against the same Christian hospital and just a couple of days later, an Israeli airstrike hit Gaza’s oldest Christian church, killing many civilians, including several relatives of former U.S. Congressman Justin Amash. Former CIA Analyst Larry Johnson has considerable military experience and all of these facts led him to firmly conclude that Israel had been responsible for the devastating loss of life.

Finally, a few days ago, a team of seven New York Times reporters and video analysts concluded that the contrary video evidence widely cited by Israeli and American officials to exculpate Israel was essentially fraudulent:

The video shows a projectile streaking through the darkened skies over Gaza and exploding in the air. Seconds later, another explosion is seen on the ground.

The footage has become a widely cited piece of evidence as Israeli and American officials have made the case that an errant Palestinian rocket malfunctioned in the sky, fell to the ground and caused a deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City.

But a detailed visual analysis by The New York Times concludes that the video clip — taken from an Al Jazeera television camera livestreaming on the night of Oct. 17 — shows something else. The missile seen in the video is most likely not what caused the explosion at the hospital. It actually detonated in the sky roughly two miles away, The Times found, and is an unrelated aspect of the fighting that unfolded over the Israeli-Gaza border that night.

This conclusion merely confirmed the suspicions earlier voiced by NYT Columnist Michelle Goldberg, who noted that Israel had notoriously lied about numerous far smaller atrocities over the years. Pulitzer Prize-winner Chris Hedges, who had spent fifteen years at the Times, including serving as its Middle East Bureau Chief, had condemned “Israel’s culture of deceit” in an article of that title, and this new information completely validated his harsh verdict.

Deflect away. It's what you do, and as usual, no answer to the questions asked.

1. Do the 3% that own 50% of the guns in the U.S. commit 50% of the homicides? Gun prevalence, right?

2. Was the Al-Ahli Arab hospital demolished, as you have repeatedly claimed? Or not?

In advance, I don't expect any straight answers, so have the last word. Knock yourself out.