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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 23, 2023 13:21:09 GMT -5
I'll watch it at some point. I'm not doubting what the doctors say.....they were there, I wasn't. But, am saying I still have not seen evidence of a shot from the front. Starting with nobody saw anyone with a gun, nobody saw anyone leave the scene, nobody saw a muzzle flash. And if he was shot from the front, examine that theory under the same type of scrutiny as with the official version. Get into bullet trajectories and such. And then we'll still have questions.  This statement by Harry includes numerous false statements. The FBI's own ballistics tests debunked the official Warren Commission narrative. For example, a Carcano test shot fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD blew off the right half of a cadaver face in JFK's limo position. In contrast the actual kill shot (fired from in front of the limo) blew off the back of JFK's skull, knocking his head violently backward. Also, multiple witnesses in and around Dealey Plaza heard gun shots and/or saw smoke from the picket fence next to the pavilion on the Grassy Knoll. Lee Bowers also saw men in the parking lot behind the fence before the motorcade arrived in Dealey Plaza. A great deal of critical witness testimony was carefully omitted by the FBI (and Hoover) from the Warren Commission. Hoover rapidly shut down a genuine FBI investigation of JFK's murder-- after the CIA patsy, Oswald, was quickly arrested-- and collaborated with LBJ, Allen Dulles and WC to omit evidence debunking the WCR's Lone Assassin narrative. The Secret Service also illegal confiscated JFK's body from the Parkland coroner-- in violation of Texas law-- for the LBJ regime's sham autopsy at Bethesda. Harry has so much to learn about the JFK assassination facts. I have tried to educate him, for years, but he continues to hide his head in his ass. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 23, 2023 13:27:43 GMT -5
Educating Harry about murdered 11/22/63 Dealey Plaza witness Lee Bowers
Will Harry eventually face the facts? Not likely.
Lee E. Bowers
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Lee Bowers was born in Dallas in 1925. He served in the US Navy during the Second World War. On his return to the United States he attended Hardin Simmons University and Southern Methodist University. After finishing his education Bowers he worked as a self-employed builder. Later he was employed as a signalman by the Union Terminal Company.
On 22nd November, 1963, Bowers was working in a high tower overlooking the Dealey Plaza in Dallas. He had a good view of the presidential motorcade and was able to tell the Warren Commission about the three cars that entered the forbidden area just before the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
Bowers also reported seeing two men standing near the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll. He added: "These men were the only two strangers in the area. The others were workers whom I knew." Bowers said the two men were there while the shots were fired.
Mark Lane interviewed Bowers for his book Rush to Judgment (1966): "At the time of the shooting, in the vicinity of where the two men I have described were, there was a flash of light or, as far as I am concerned, something I could not identify, but there was something which occurred which caught my eye in this immediate area on the embankment. Now, what this was, I could not state at that time and at this time I could not identify it, other than there was some unusual occurrence - a flash of light or smoke or something which caused me to feel like something out of the ordinary had occurred there."
Assassination of John F. Kennedy Encyclopedia
According to W. Penn Jones Jr, the editor of the Texas Midlothian Mirror , Bowers received death threats after giving evidence to the Warren Commission and Mark Lane.
On 9th August, 1966, Lee Bowers was killed when his car left the road and crashed into a concrete abutment in Midlothian, Texas. Robert J. Groden later reported "Lee Bowers was heading west here on highway sixty-seven heading from Midlothian down to Cleburne and according to an eyewitness he was driven off the road by a black car. Drove him into this bridge abutment. He didn't die immediately, he held on for four hours and during that time he was talking to the ambulance people and told them that he felt he had been drugged when he stopped for coffee back there a few miles in Midlothian."
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 23, 2023 13:34:39 GMT -5
Still raises questions. If he was shot from the front, at a downward arc, and with entry wound in the throat and exit wound in the back.....what happened to that bullet? As for witnesses seeing a grassy knoll shooter....where is the physical evidence? Shell casings? And how did this shooter disappear carrying a gun in broad daylight? When there were lots of people around the entire area? That's just for starters. If he was also hit in the head, that's two shots. So, where did the shot that hit Connally come from? And where is that bullet?
As for part of the brain being found behind the car, it has been explained and I posted a link earlier.....here it is. Obviously, you're free to agree or disagree with the findings. www.cell.com/heliyon/fulltext/S2405-8440(17)33188-2.
Here is a link on the acoustics and shock that day at Dealey Plaza, and how people could legitimately be confused on the origin of gunshots. Also, the how and why people in the same area could come to different conclusions. www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.763432/full. Read it if you have the time or inclination. As food for thought, posted below is something in the report that I found very interesting:
"We are convinced that had any rifle shots actually originated from the knoll area on the day of the assassination, the earwitnesses from that vicinity would have shown high confidence and high agreement about that fact. The fence on the grassy knoll was only a few meters to the right of the amateur photographer, A. Zapruder. Had a rifle shot actually originated from the grassy knoll, his startle response might well have knocked him sideways, off his perch on the pergola."
I honestly believe much of what you note is part of the cover-up. There were a number of folks who reported seeing a shooter, seeing the smoke, etc. and they were pretty much ignored. If you watch the film you will see that they did discover a small (think entry wound) on the right side of his head, in front of the ear along the hair line that was easily missed.This was likely the entry wound for the bullet that exited through the occipital area. They also interviewed the autopsy technician who assisted at the government autopsy in DC. He confirmed the entry wound in front of the ear on the right side as well as the fact they removed his brain before the autopsy and took out all fragment of the shell. Then the docs doing the autopsy questioned had the brain been operated on. When they did this it destroyed any evidence available to figure out the track of the projectile. And why didn't they use forensic pathologists for the autopsy. Its the president of the US and they have two senior pathologists with no experience in gunshot wounds do the procedure? And finally, its been 60 years. Very few if any of those involved are still alive. Why continue to hold back so much information on the assassination They arent protecting anyone, they are protecting their agency. No worries. I don’t see a conspiracy around every corner, and that whatever story disagrees with me is necessarily part of a cover up. No idea on the autopsy. Anything I say would be pure guess work.Clearly was shoddy, Will say that. On the entry wounds, still would like to know where the bullet is from the neck entry wound. And like to know the theory on who shot Connally. Are you saying all shots came from the front? Anyway, we won’t solve it here….have a good Thanksgiving. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 23, 2023 15:14:50 GMT -5
I honestly believe much of what you note is part of the cover-up. There were a number of folks who reported seeing a shooter, seeing the smoke, etc. and they were pretty much ignored. If you watch the film you will see that they did discover a small (think entry wound) on the right side of his head, in front of the ear along the hair line that was easily missed.This was likely the entry wound for the bullet that exited through the occipital area. They also interviewed the autopsy technician who assisted at the government autopsy in DC. He confirmed the entry wound in front of the ear on the right side as well as the fact they removed his brain before the autopsy and took out all fragment of the shell. Then the docs doing the autopsy questioned had the brain been operated on. When they did this it destroyed any evidence available to figure out the track of the projectile. And why didn't they use forensic pathologists for the autopsy. Its the president of the US and they have two senior pathologists with no experience in gunshot wounds do the procedure? And finally, its been 60 years. Very few if any of those involved are still alive. Why continue to hold back so much information on the assassination They arent protecting anyone, they are protecting their agency. No worries. I don’t see a conspiracy around every corner, and that whatever story disagrees with me is necessarily part of a cover up. No idea on the autopsy. Anything I say would be pure guess work.Clearly was shoddy, Will say that. On the entry wounds, still would like to know where the bullet is from the neck entry wound. And like to know the theory on who shot Connally. Are you saying all shots came from the front? Anyway, we won’t solve it here….have a good Thanksgiving. You're clueless, Harry. I have corresponded, personally, with Dr. Michael Chesser, the neurologist who presented definitive radiographic evidence about the frontal skull entrance wound in the 4 hour 2021 Oliver Stone documentary, JFK-Destiny Betrayed. You should have taken my advice and watched James DiEugenio's film. |
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Post by cbisbig on Nov 23, 2023 15:48:15 GMT -5
No worries. I don’t see a conspiracy around every corner, and that whatever story disagrees with me is necessarily part of a cover up. No idea on the autopsy. Anything I say would be pure guess work.Clearly was shoddy, Will say that. On the entry wounds, still would like to know where the bullet is from the neck entry wound. And like to know the theory on who shot Connally. Are you saying all shots came from the front? Anyway, we won’t solve it here….have a good Thanksgiving. You're clueless, Harry. I have corresponded, personally, with Dr. Michael Chesser, the neurologist who presented definitive radiographic evidence about the frontal skull entrance wound in the 4 hour 2021 Oliver Stone documentary, JFK-Destiny Betrayed. You should have taken my advice and watched James DiEugenio's film. Has anyone here ever taken your misguided advice? |
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 23, 2023 17:09:56 GMT -5
No worries. I don’t see a conspiracy around every corner, and that whatever story disagrees with me is necessarily part of a cover up. No idea on the autopsy. Anything I say would be pure guess work.Clearly was shoddy, Will say that. On the entry wounds, still would like to know where the bullet is from the neck entry wound. And like to know the theory on who shot Connally. Are you saying all shots came from the front? Anyway, we won’t solve it here….have a good Thanksgiving. You're clueless, Harry. I have corresponded, personally, with Dr. Michael Chesser, the neurologist who presented definitive radiographic evidence about the frontal skull entrance wound in the 4 hour 2021 Oliver Stone documentary, JFK-Destiny Betrayed. You should have taken my advice and watched James DiEugenio's film. Did he tell you where to find the bullet from the neck entry wound? Are you saying all shots came from the front? |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 23, 2023 18:12:16 GMT -5
You're clueless, Harry. I have corresponded, personally, with Dr. Michael Chesser, the neurologist who presented definitive radiographic evidence about the frontal skull entrance wound in the 4 hour 2021 Oliver Stone documentary, JFK-Destiny Betrayed. You should have taken my advice and watched James DiEugenio's film. Did he tell you where to find the bullet from the neck entry wound? Are you saying all shots came from the front? How many bullet entry wounds have you seen in your career, Sherlock? |
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Post by canefan on Nov 23, 2023 20:15:49 GMT -5
I honestly believe much of what you note is part of the cover-up. There were a number of folks who reported seeing a shooter, seeing the smoke, etc. and they were pretty much ignored. If you watch the film you will see that they did discover a small (think entry wound) on the right side of his head, in front of the ear along the hair line that was easily missed.This was likely the entry wound for the bullet that exited through the occipital area. They also interviewed the autopsy technician who assisted at the government autopsy in DC. He confirmed the entry wound in front of the ear on the right side as well as the fact they removed his brain before the autopsy and took out all fragment of the shell. Then the docs doing the autopsy questioned had the brain been operated on. When they did this it destroyed any evidence available to figure out the track of the projectile. And why didn't they use forensic pathologists for the autopsy. Its the president of the US and they have two senior pathologists with no experience in gunshot wounds do the procedure? And finally, its been 60 years. Very few if any of those involved are still alive. Why continue to hold back so much information on the assassination They arent protecting anyone, they are protecting their agency. No worries. I don’t see a conspiracy around every corner, and that whatever story disagrees with me is necessarily part of a cover up. No idea on the autopsy. Anything I say would be pure guess work.Clearly was shoddy, Will say that. On the entry wounds, still would like to know where the bullet is from the neck entry wound. And like to know the theory on who shot Connally. Are you saying all shots came from the front? Anyway, we won’t solve it here….have a good Thanksgiving. No problem. Just presenting what is being presented in the new documentary. I doubt we ever learn the truth in our lifetime. I was ten at the time and seventy now and don't feel we are any closer to to truth. Hope you had a great day as well. |
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 24, 2023 9:20:58 GMT -5
Did he tell you where to find the bullet from the neck entry wound? Are you saying all shots came from the front? How many bullet entry wounds have you seen in your career, Sherlock? You didn’t answer my questions. Do so, and I’ll answer what you asked me. 1. Where is the bullet from the neck entry wound? 2. Are you claiming all shots came from the front? |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 24, 2023 11:19:12 GMT -5
How many bullet entry wounds have you seen in your career, Sherlock? You didn’t answer my questions. Do so, and I’ll answer what you asked me. 1. Where is the bullet from the neck entry wound? 2. Are you claiming all shots came from the front? The fatal head shot that blew off the back of JFK's skull, obviously, came from the front, as did the bullet that caused the entry wound in JFK's neck. Both were described as such by the Parkland ER staff. But the sham Bethesda autopsy and alleged "custody" of the bullets were always fraudulent. For example, the official WCR history of the alleged "Magic Bullet" was a complete fraud-- debunked in great detail by investigators, as documented in JFK Revisited. That unscathed, undented bullet was placed on a gurney at Parkland. And there was no law enforcement "chain of custody." The basic problem with the JFKA forensic evidence is that the guys who orchestrated the assassination also controlled the evidence and the sham "investigation" of the murder. For example, why was JFK's limo promptly scrubbed and shipped out of Dallas after the murder? Explain. |
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 24, 2023 17:18:15 GMT -5
Harry has so much to learn about the JFK assassination facts. I have tried to educate him, for years, but he continues to hide his head in his ass. Crickets from him anytime he is asked a question. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 24, 2023 17:22:10 GMT -5
Harry has so much to learn about the JFK assassination facts. I have tried to educate him, for years, but he continues to hide his head in his ass. It's the film critic and Professor Joseph McBride. Not a "friend," but a forum associate. He recently published a scholarly tome about the mainstream media cover up of the JFK assassination, entitled, Political Truth. But Joe McBride hasn't posted at the forum for the past year. If I recall correctly, his mother was the Chair of the Milwaukee Democratic Party, and he met JFK at a 1960 primary rally. |
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 24, 2023 17:24:25 GMT -5
You didn’t answer my questions. Do so, and I’ll answer what you asked me. 1. Where is the bullet from the neck entry wound? 2. Are you claiming all shots came from the front? The fatal head shot that blew off the back of JFK's skull, obviously, came from the front, as did the bullet that caused the entry wound in JFK's neck. Both were described as such by the Parkland ER staff. But the sham Bethesda autopsy and alleged "custody" of the bullets were always fraudulent. For example, the official WCR history of the alleged "Magic Bullet" was a complete fraud-- debunked in great detail by investigators, as documented in JFK Revisited. That unscathed, undented bullet was placed on a gurney at Parkland. And there was no law enforcement "chain of custody." The basic problem with the JFKA forensic evidence is that the guys who orchestrated the assassination also controlled the evidence and the sham "investigation" of the murder. For example, why was JFK's limo promptly scrubbed and shipped out of Dallas after the murder? Explain. Once again, no answer to what I asked. 1. Where is the bullet from the neck wound? 2. Are you claiming all shots came from the front? Also: Happy to talk about the bullet on the gurney….after you answer what I asked you in the first place. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 24, 2023 17:25:19 GMT -5
You once posted to having a close friend, who is a JFK assassination expert/author and with whom you speak to weekly. I asked you to ask him about the guy from Park Ridge Il. That, if he was what he claims to be, he would know who I was asking about. Crickets from you. Crickets from him anytime he is asked a question. Says the lying sack of feces who has ducked all of the evidence and scholarly references I have posted here since 2008, while massaging the MAGA trolls' nut sacks. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 24, 2023 17:35:50 GMT -5
The fatal head shot that blew off the back of JFK's skull, obviously, came from the front, as did the bullet that caused the entry wound in JFK's neck. Both were described as such by the Parkland ER staff. But the sham Bethesda autopsy and alleged "custody" of the bullets were always fraudulent. For example, the official WCR history of the alleged "Magic Bullet" was a complete fraud-- debunked in great detail by investigators, as documented in JFK Revisited. That unscathed, undented bullet was placed on a gurney at Parkland. And there was no law enforcement "chain of custody." The basic problem with the JFKA forensic evidence is that the guys who orchestrated the assassination also controlled the evidence and the sham "investigation" of the murder. For example, why was JFK's limo promptly scrubbed and shipped out of Dallas after the murder? Explain. Once again, no answer to what I asked. 1. Where is the bullet from the neck wound? 2. Are you claiming all shots came from the front? Also: Happy to talk about the bullet on the gurney….after you answer what I asked you in the first place. What is it that you still don't understand about the sequestration (and disappearance) of the JFKA forensic evidence? For example, who discovered JFK's occipital skull fragment, and when? As for the alleged bullets, are you naive enough to believe that the pristine bullet planted on the Parkland gurney had magically danced through JFK's body before shattering John Connally's wrist? |
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