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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Feb 6, 2024 15:57:55 GMT -5
They could convict a lot of parents using similar criteria to those in the Crumbley case.
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Post by dilligaf on Feb 6, 2024 23:12:29 GMT -5
A sane higher court will most likely reverse the verdict on appeal.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Feb 6, 2024 23:17:53 GMT -5
A sane higher court will most likely reverse the verdict on appeal. The details in this case seem to fully support the jury's verdict. The same thing is true in the case of the young man who murdered people at the LGBT bar in Colorado Springs. That guy told told his mother that he wanted to be a mass shooter. She not only took him to gun ranges, she bought him body armor for Christmas! |
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Post by Walter on Feb 6, 2024 23:28:53 GMT -5
I agree that the woman is a complete idiot, unsuited to ever oversee any progeny, but I have a problem with putting her in jail because her kid is a space case.
While I get the idea, something is wrong about it.
I agree with Mutt.
This gets overturned.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Feb 7, 2024 11:10:17 GMT -5
I agree that the woman is a complete idiot, unsuited to ever oversee any progeny, but I have a problem with putting her in jail because her kid is a space case. While I get the idea, something is wrong about it. I agree with Mutt. This gets overturned. Involuntary manslaughter/negligent homicide. The kid was hearing voices and talking about shooting people. So, naturally, the parents bought him a gun. |
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Post by Walter on Feb 7, 2024 13:31:44 GMT -5
I agree that the woman is a complete idiot, unsuited to ever oversee any progeny, but I have a problem with putting her in jail because her kid is a space case. While I get the idea, something is wrong about it. I agree with Mutt. This gets overturned. Involuntary manslaughter/negligent homicide. The kid was hearing voices and talking about shooting people. So, naturally, the parents bought him a gun. To quote a talking head I saw yesterday: It isn't against the law to be a terrible parent. I think the woman loses bigtime in civil court, (not that she's got anything much to lose) but I just can't see the criminal aspect of it. |
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Post by oujour76 on Feb 7, 2024 15:25:00 GMT -5
Involuntary manslaughter/negligent homicide. The kid was hearing voices and talking about shooting people. So, naturally, the parents bought him a gun. To quote a talking head I saw yesterday: It isn't against the law to be a terrible parent. I think the woman loses bigtime in civil court, (not that she's got anything much to lose) but I just can't see the criminal aspect of it. I’m with you on this one. |
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Post by Walter on Feb 7, 2024 15:44:00 GMT -5
To quote a talking head I saw yesterday: It isn't against the law to be a terrible parent. I think the woman loses bigtime in civil court, (not that she's got anything much to lose) but I just can't see the criminal aspect of it. I’m with you on this one. Of course, all that said, we weren't in the court, so we sorta have to add a caveat. For all I know, there could have been evidence that the kid said, "Mom, I'd really like to shoot up the school", and mom responded, "That's nice dear, let's go buy you a gun.". I am presuming that didn't happen. |
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Post by AlaCowboy on Feb 8, 2024 12:01:34 GMT -5
They could convict a lot of parents using similar criteria to those in the Crumbley case. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Feb 8, 2024 12:07:08 GMT -5
They could convict a lot of parents using similar criteria to those in the Crumbley case. It depends on what role the parents played in facilitating or trying to prevent the impending accident. If they gave the kid a bottle of Jack Daniels and the car keys and said, "Go for a joy ride!" I would think they might share culpability. Or, if the kid told them he wanted to kill someone with the car, and they gave him the keys, they would be complicit, IMO. |
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Post by AlaCowboy on Feb 8, 2024 16:05:35 GMT -5
So if your teen takes the family car out one night and kills someone in a wreck, should the parents be charged with manslaughter? It depends on what role the parents played in facilitating or trying to prevent the impending accident. If they gave the kid a bottle of Jack Daniels and the car keys and said, "Go for a joy ride!" I would think they might share culpability. Or, if the kid told them he wanted to kill someone with the car, and they gave him the keys, they would be complicit, IMO.
"So if your teen takes the family car out one night and kills someone in a wreck, should the parents be charged with manslaughter?" |
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Post by Walter on Feb 8, 2024 16:39:58 GMT -5
It depends on what role the parents played in facilitating or trying to prevent the impending accident. If they gave the kid a bottle of Jack Daniels and the car keys and said, "Go for a joy ride!" I would think they might share culpability. Or, if the kid told them he wanted to kill someone with the car, and they gave him the keys, they would be complicit, IMO.
"So if your teen takes the family car out one night and kills someone in a wreck, should the parents be charged with manslaughter?"It isn't a yes or no Q. It would depend on the circumstances of how the teen 'takes the family car out', would it not? Hence the 'what ifs'. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Feb 8, 2024 18:38:57 GMT -5
Don't change the subject with a bunch of "what ifs." Answer the question I asked.
"So if your teen takes the family car out one night and kills someone in a wreck, should the parents be charged with manslaughter?" It isn't a yes or no Q. It would depend on the circumstances of how the teen 'takes the family car out', would it not? Hence the 'what ifs'. Abstract reasoning isn't Cowboy's forte. In the Michigan case, the parents, apparently knew the kid was hearing voices and thinking about shooting people, and they gave him a gun. In the Colorado Springs case, mom knew the kid wanted to be a mass shooter and she took him to the gun range and bought him some body armor for Christmas. |
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Post by AlaCowboy on Feb 8, 2024 23:42:35 GMT -5
Don't change the subject with a bunch of "what ifs." Answer the question I asked.
"So if your teen takes the family car out one night and kills someone in a wreck, should the parents be charged with manslaughter?" It isn't a yes or no Q. It would depend on the circumstances of how the teen 'takes the family car out', would it not? Hence the 'what ifs'. |
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Post by Walter on Feb 9, 2024 7:24:26 GMT -5
It isn't a yes or no Q. It would depend on the circumstances of how the teen 'takes the family car out', would it not? Hence the 'what ifs'. To paraphrase Marisa Tomei: "It's a bullshit question.". |
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