Post by Panama pfRedd on Mar 17, 2024 19:10:53 GMT -5
Currently The 4473 asks the buyer in number 21L if you are a person illegally in the country or not.
If the person answers YES, he will be denied. If he lies, then he has committed a federal felony and if prosecuted would end up in prison.
Let me first say she is an Obama appointed Federal Judge. We all know how most of the left is is rabidly anti-gun, so this decision has me wondering what this judge is up to.
So I guess this means that all the military aged illegal Chinese men can legally own AR-15's. Makes me safer a whole lot safer, eh lads?
thereload.com/gun-ban-for-non-violent-illegal-immigrant-found-unconstitutional/
Gun Ban for Non-Violent Illegal Immigrant Found Unconstitutional
Stephen Gutowski
March 14, 2024
6:28 pm
The Second Amendment protects people’s ability to own a gun even if they’ve entered the country illegally.
That’s the ruling handed down by US District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman on Friday. She found the federal prohibition on illegal immigrants owning guns is unconstitutional, at least as applied to Heriberto Carbajal-Flores. She ruled the ban did not fit with America’s historical tradition of gun regulation as required under the Supreme Court’s landmark New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen ruling.
“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Colman wrote in US v. Carbajal-Flores. “Thus, the Court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss.”
The ruling is the latest fallout from the new standard for Second Amendment cases set in Bruen. Since the landmark case was decided in 2022, a wide swath of state and federal gun restrictions have come under increased scrutiny in the courts. Among the most commonly recurring questions raised by the new standard is who can be barred from owning guns, and the Carbajal-Flores case is among the first to examine whether people who entered the country illegally are among them.
Judge Coleman, a Barack Obama appointee, initially found the gun ban for illegal immigrants was constitutional back in April 2022. However, she agreed to reconsider the case in light of rulings from the federal appeals courts in the Third and Seventh Circuit that questioned whether those convicted of non-violent crimes could be permanently disarmed after the High Court handed down Bruen in June 2022. She concluded breaking misdemeanor immigration laws alone is not enough justification to strip somebody of their gun rights under the new test.
“[C]arbajal-Flores has never been convicted of a felony, a violent crime, or a crime involving the use of a weapon. Even in the present case, Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun solely for self-protection and protection of property during a time of documented civil unrest in the Spring of 2020,” Judge Coleman wrote. “Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants.”
The Department of Justice (DOJ) argued the modern ban was akin to historical bans on loyalists owning guns during the Founding Era and should stand. However, Judge Coleman found that historical ban included exceptions that imply the ban was based on the actions of individual loyalists.
“The Court also determined that based on the government’s historical analogue, where exceptions were made that allowed formerly ‘untrustworthy’ British loyalists to possess weapons, the individuals who fell within the exception were determined to be non-violent during their individual assessments, permitting them to carry firearms,” she wrote. “Thus, to the extent the exception shows that some British loyalists were permitted to carry firearms despite the general prohibition, the Court interprets this history as supporting an individualized assessment for Section 922(g)(5) as this Court previously found with Section 922(g)(1).”
She said there was no reason to think Carbajal-Flores was dangerous. So, applying the ban to him did not follow historical tradition.
“The Court finds that Carbajal-Flores’ criminal record, containing no improper use of a weapon, as well as the non-violent circumstances of his arrest do not support a finding that he poses a risk to public safety such that he cannot be trusted to use a weapon responsibly and should be deprived of his Second Amendment right to bear arms in self-defense,” Judge Coleman wrote. “Thus, this Court finds that, as applied to Carbajal-Flores, Section 922(g)(5) is unconstitutional.”
That question has even divided some gun-rights advocates. National Shooting Sports Foundation general counsel Larry Keane questioned Judge Coleman’s holding that the Second Amendment applies to Carbajal-Flores.
“Supreme Court has said the ‘people’ are members of the political community,” he tweeted. “Illegal aliens in US are not part of the political community and thus do not have 2A rights.”
“I’ve been sitting here contemplating why you’d want to alienate people from the 2A through this tortured, backward reading,” Matthew Larosiere, a gun-rights lawyer in Florida, responded.
Kostas Moros, another gun-rights litigator who often represents the California Rifle and Pistol Association, chimed in to agree that people in the country illegally are outside “the people” referred to in the text of the Second Amendment.
“The United States has disarmed loyalists, insurrectionists, various groups for racist reasons, and native americans. The common thread allowing that to happen is these were groups outside of the political community,” he wrote. “Its not tied to merely the modern legal concept of citizenship. So such laws cant uphold restrictions on citizens today, but foreigners? Yes.”
Larosiere dismissed that argument as “stupid and wrong” because it “ignores literally everything in the context of what ‘citizenship’ is and was, and ignores the gravity of otherwise disenfranchising conduct.” He argued Founding Era bans on various groups owning guns were based either on concerns they were dangerous or a rejection of their humanity, often for racist reasons. He said it made more sense that historical gun restrictions were based on dangerousness than whether they were part of the political community.
More at link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Johnson_Coleman
If the person answers YES, he will be denied. If he lies, then he has committed a federal felony and if prosecuted would end up in prison.
Let me first say she is an Obama appointed Federal Judge. We all know how most of the left is is rabidly anti-gun, so this decision has me wondering what this judge is up to.
So I guess this means that all the military aged illegal Chinese men can legally own AR-15's. Makes me safer a whole lot safer, eh lads?
thereload.com/gun-ban-for-non-violent-illegal-immigrant-found-unconstitutional/
Gun Ban for Non-Violent Illegal Immigrant Found Unconstitutional
Stephen Gutowski
March 14, 2024
6:28 pm
The Second Amendment protects people’s ability to own a gun even if they’ve entered the country illegally.
That’s the ruling handed down by US District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman on Friday. She found the federal prohibition on illegal immigrants owning guns is unconstitutional, at least as applied to Heriberto Carbajal-Flores. She ruled the ban did not fit with America’s historical tradition of gun regulation as required under the Supreme Court’s landmark New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen ruling.
“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Colman wrote in US v. Carbajal-Flores. “Thus, the Court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss.”
The ruling is the latest fallout from the new standard for Second Amendment cases set in Bruen. Since the landmark case was decided in 2022, a wide swath of state and federal gun restrictions have come under increased scrutiny in the courts. Among the most commonly recurring questions raised by the new standard is who can be barred from owning guns, and the Carbajal-Flores case is among the first to examine whether people who entered the country illegally are among them.
Judge Coleman, a Barack Obama appointee, initially found the gun ban for illegal immigrants was constitutional back in April 2022. However, she agreed to reconsider the case in light of rulings from the federal appeals courts in the Third and Seventh Circuit that questioned whether those convicted of non-violent crimes could be permanently disarmed after the High Court handed down Bruen in June 2022. She concluded breaking misdemeanor immigration laws alone is not enough justification to strip somebody of their gun rights under the new test.
“[C]arbajal-Flores has never been convicted of a felony, a violent crime, or a crime involving the use of a weapon. Even in the present case, Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun solely for self-protection and protection of property during a time of documented civil unrest in the Spring of 2020,” Judge Coleman wrote. “Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants.”
The Department of Justice (DOJ) argued the modern ban was akin to historical bans on loyalists owning guns during the Founding Era and should stand. However, Judge Coleman found that historical ban included exceptions that imply the ban was based on the actions of individual loyalists.
“The Court also determined that based on the government’s historical analogue, where exceptions were made that allowed formerly ‘untrustworthy’ British loyalists to possess weapons, the individuals who fell within the exception were determined to be non-violent during their individual assessments, permitting them to carry firearms,” she wrote. “Thus, to the extent the exception shows that some British loyalists were permitted to carry firearms despite the general prohibition, the Court interprets this history as supporting an individualized assessment for Section 922(g)(5) as this Court previously found with Section 922(g)(1).”
She said there was no reason to think Carbajal-Flores was dangerous. So, applying the ban to him did not follow historical tradition.
“The Court finds that Carbajal-Flores’ criminal record, containing no improper use of a weapon, as well as the non-violent circumstances of his arrest do not support a finding that he poses a risk to public safety such that he cannot be trusted to use a weapon responsibly and should be deprived of his Second Amendment right to bear arms in self-defense,” Judge Coleman wrote. “Thus, this Court finds that, as applied to Carbajal-Flores, Section 922(g)(5) is unconstitutional.”
That question has even divided some gun-rights advocates. National Shooting Sports Foundation general counsel Larry Keane questioned Judge Coleman’s holding that the Second Amendment applies to Carbajal-Flores.
“Supreme Court has said the ‘people’ are members of the political community,” he tweeted. “Illegal aliens in US are not part of the political community and thus do not have 2A rights.”
“I’ve been sitting here contemplating why you’d want to alienate people from the 2A through this tortured, backward reading,” Matthew Larosiere, a gun-rights lawyer in Florida, responded.
Kostas Moros, another gun-rights litigator who often represents the California Rifle and Pistol Association, chimed in to agree that people in the country illegally are outside “the people” referred to in the text of the Second Amendment.
“The United States has disarmed loyalists, insurrectionists, various groups for racist reasons, and native americans. The common thread allowing that to happen is these were groups outside of the political community,” he wrote. “Its not tied to merely the modern legal concept of citizenship. So such laws cant uphold restrictions on citizens today, but foreigners? Yes.”
Larosiere dismissed that argument as “stupid and wrong” because it “ignores literally everything in the context of what ‘citizenship’ is and was, and ignores the gravity of otherwise disenfranchising conduct.” He argued Founding Era bans on various groups owning guns were based either on concerns they were dangerous or a rejection of their humanity, often for racist reasons. He said it made more sense that historical gun restrictions were based on dangerousness than whether they were part of the political community.
More at link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Johnson_Coleman
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