RIP Rose

[canefan]

Pete is gone at 83. Maybe now he gets into the Hall.

[Walter]

That's what I was thinking.
It is a statistical albatross that he isn't, and I think everyone knows it.
When I visited Cooperstown, his name is all over the place for all sorts of things.


BTW, if you haven't done it, put Cooperstown on your bucket list. The Hall and the entire town is worth the trip.
Also, you might want to read a few James Fenimore Cooper novels before you go, because nearly all his novels in the Leatherstocking Tales (of which The 'Last of the Mohicans' is one) are set around the lake that the town is built around, (hence the name).

[Buckeye Dale]

WOW...Another star from our youth gone...it's all catching up with us, gentlemen... I realized the other day, I am now the eldest survivor in my family...either branch of any tree...<SIGH>...this getting older stuff is getting old.

[mscott59]

Sept 30, 2024 19:33:32 GMT -5 canefan said:

Pete is gone at 83. Maybe now he gets into the Hall.

if I was a betting man on this-no pun intended-I’d guess ‘no’ on the hall. Pete’s defiance in the immediate aftermath of the mlb decision was bad enough, basically taunting the sport by setting up a shingle in cooperstown during hof week for years to take $$ for signing anything, but when he had a shot to make amends 25 years later, he was still betting-heavily-not just on sports but on baseball. he had no remorse in the short term, no smarts when it came to optics in the long term. it’s a shame, but the same bull in a china shop persona that fueled his playing career was his worst possible trait in terms of his hof candidacy.

[canefan]

Sept 30, 2024 19:48:07 GMT -5 Buckeye Dale said:

WOW...Another star from our youth gone...it's all catching up with us, gentlemen... I realized the other day, I am now the eldest survivor in my family...either branch of any tree...<SIGH>...this getting older stuff is getting old.

Not me, I'm in my prime.

[canefan]

Sept 30, 2024 20:32:54 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Sept 30, 2024 19:33:32 GMT -5 canefan said:

Pete is gone at 83. Maybe now he gets into the Hall.

if I was a betting man on this-no pun intended-I’d guess ‘no’ on the hall. Pete’s defiance in the immediate aftermath of the mlb decision was bad enough, basically taunting the sport by setting up a shingle in cooperstown during hof week for years to take $$ for signing anything, but when he had a shot to make amends 25 years later, he was still betting-heavily-not just on sports but on baseball. he had no remorse in the short term, no smarts when it came to optics in the long term. it’s a shame, but the same bull in a china shop persona that fueled his playing career was his worst possible trait in terms of his hof candidacy.

Always heard he was a real asshole. Don't typically pay a lot of attention to such reports, but i remember a Pete quote. Can't remember the context, he was still playing at the time. In short he said if you got tired of your wife just toss her a million and move on.

[mscott59]

Sept 30, 2024 21:40:42 GMT -5 canefan said:

Sept 30, 2024 20:32:54 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

if I was a betting man on this-no pun intended-I’d guess ‘no’ on the hall. Pete’s defiance in the immediate aftermath of the mlb decision was bad enough, basically taunting the sport by setting up a shingle in cooperstown during hof week for years to take $$ for signing anything, but when he had a shot to make amends 25 years later, he was still betting-heavily-not just on sports but on baseball. he had no remorse in the short term, no smarts when it came to optics in the long term. it’s a shame, but the same bull in a china shop persona that fueled his playing career was his worst possible trait in terms of his hof candidacy.

Always heard he was a real asshole. Don't typically pay a lot of attention to such reports, but i remember a Pete quote. Can't remember the context, he was still playing at the time. In short he said if you got tired of your wife just toss her a million and move on.

during my TV reporting days, I did get a chance to hang out with Pete a little bit. In the late 80s I worked in Charleston, West Virginia, which was definitely Reds country and part of the preseason caravan for their radio network. When he arrived at our station, he got out of a Cadillac limo, was wearing a red, silk tracksuit, tennis shoes that were kind of bedazzled and one of the thicker gold chains I had ever seen a white guy wear at that time in my life. He also had on his arm, a very busty blonde, which was his girlfriend at the time I think.

He did love talking baseball and once the lights were on his interview with our Sports Director was frankly awesome to watch from behind the cameras in the studio. But when they were off, he expected a lot of things to be done for him and made that very well known all afternoon that he was there. About 10 years prior I was in Cincinnati. One of my high school buddies went to UC there we went and saw the Reds play Montreal the night that he got his 3000th hit off Steve Rogers. the night before we went downtown to hang out a little bit and to our shock Pete was there at the bar we went to with an entourage , and he was making fun of anybody in the bar that wasn’t part of his group and I mean loudly dissing folks. Of course his entourage discouraged most of the folks who had a different opinion about themselves than Pete did about them. We didn’t hang out very long because we feared getting in the middle , yes he was an asshole. Of course, there have been and will always be plenty of assholes in sports on the pro level. It’s not a reason to keep a model of Hall of Fame.

[Walter]

Sept 30, 2024 21:52:14 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Sept 30, 2024 21:40:42 GMT -5 canefan said:

Always heard he was a real asshole. Don't typically pay a lot of attention to such reports, but i remember a Pete quote. Can't remember the context, he was still playing at the time. In short he said if you got tired of your wife just toss her a million and move on.

during my TV reporting days, I did get a chance to hang out with Pete a little bit. In the late 80s I worked in Charleston, West Virginia, which was definitely Reds country and part of the preseason caravan for their radio network. When he arrived at our station, he got out of a Cadillac limo, was wearing a red, silk tracksuit, tennis shoes that were kind of bedazzled and one of the thicker gold chains I had ever seen a white guy wear at that time in my life. He also had on his arm, a very busty blonde, which was his girlfriend at the time I think.

He did love talking baseball and once the lights were on his interview with our Sports Director was frankly awesome to watch from behind the cameras in the studio. But when they were off, he expected a lot of things to be done for him and made that very well known all afternoon that he was there. About 10 years prior I was in Cincinnati. One of my high school buddies went to UC there we went and saw the Reds play Montreal the night that he got his 3000th hit off Steve Rogers. the night before we went downtown to hang out a little bit and to our shock Pete was there at the bar we went to with an entourage , and he was making fun of anybody in the bar that wasn’t part of his group and I mean loudly dissing folks. Of course his entourage discouraged most of the folks who had a different opinion about themselves than Pete did about them. We didn’t hang out very long because we feared getting in the middle , yes he was an asshole. Of course, there have been and will always be plenty of assholes in sports on the pro level. It’s not a reason to keep a model of Hall of Fame.

Thanks for the background. I'd heard bad things about Rose, but frankly, didn't pay it much attention. But your comment about being the same guy on and off the field says a lot and kind of puts on a bow on the whole thing. (I'm sure Ray Fosse, wherever he is out there in the ether, probably agrees with you.)

[canefan]

Sept 30, 2024 21:52:14 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Sept 30, 2024 21:40:42 GMT -5 canefan said:

Always heard he was a real asshole. Don't typically pay a lot of attention to such reports, but i remember a Pete quote. Can't remember the context, he was still playing at the time. In short he said if you got tired of your wife just toss her a million and move on.

during my TV reporting days, I did get a chance to hang out with Pete a little bit. In the late 80s I worked in Charleston, West Virginia, which was definitely Reds country and part of the preseason caravan for their radio network. When he arrived at our station, he got out of a Cadillac limo, was wearing a red, silk tracksuit, tennis shoes that were kind of bedazzled and one of the thicker gold chains I had ever seen a white guy wear at that time in my life. He also had on his arm, a very busty blonde, which was his girlfriend at the time I think.

He did love talking baseball and once the lights were on his interview with our Sports Director was frankly awesome to watch from behind the cameras in the studio. But when they were off, he expected a lot of things to be done for him and made that very well known all afternoon that he was there. About 10 years prior I was in Cincinnati. One of my high school buddies went to UC there we went and saw the Reds play Montreal the night that he got his 3000th hit off Steve Rogers. the night before we went downtown to hang out a little bit and to our shock Pete was there at the bar we went to with an entourage , and he was making fun of anybody in the bar that wasn’t part of his group and I mean loudly dissing folks. Of course his entourage discouraged most of the folks who had a different opinion about themselves than Pete did about them. We didn’t hang out very long because we feared getting in the middle , yes he was an asshole. Of course, there have been and will always be plenty of assholes in sports on the pro level. It’s not a reason to keep a model of Hall of Fame.

No doubt. From what I understand there was never a bigger A hole than Ty Cobb and he is in. But Pete carries that gambling stigma. I'm a toss up. I think he probably suffered enough not getting into the HoF while alive. His stats certainly deserve admission.

[oujour76]

Sept 30, 2024 20:32:54 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Sept 30, 2024 19:33:32 GMT -5 canefan said:

Pete is gone at 83. Maybe now he gets into the Hall.

if I was a betting man on this-no pun intended-I’d guess ‘no’ on the hall. Pete’s defiance in the immediate aftermath of the mlb decision was bad enough, basically taunting the sport by setting up a shingle in cooperstown during hof week for years to take $$ for signing anything, but when he had a shot to make amends 25 years later, he was still betting-heavily-not just on sports but on baseball. he had no remorse in the short term, no smarts when it came to optics in the long term. it’s a shame, but the same bull in a china shop persona that fueled his playing career was his worst possible trait in terms of his hof candidacy.

He’s a legend. Hell of a player and story teller. RIP Pete.

[oujour76]

Sept 30, 2024 19:33:32 GMT -5 canefan said:

Pete is gone at 83. Maybe now he gets into the Hall.

As long as Manfred Mann (Rob Manfred) is Commissioner, not likely to happen. RIP Pete.

[oujour76]

Sept 30, 2024 21:40:42 GMT -5 canefan said:

Sept 30, 2024 20:32:54 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

if I was a betting man on this-no pun intended-I’d guess ‘no’ on the hall. Pete’s defiance in the immediate aftermath of the mlb decision was bad enough, basically taunting the sport by setting up a shingle in cooperstown during hof week for years to take $$ for signing anything, but when he had a shot to make amends 25 years later, he was still betting-heavily-not just on sports but on baseball. he had no remorse in the short term, no smarts when it came to optics in the long term. it’s a shame, but the same bull in a china shop persona that fueled his playing career was his worst possible trait in terms of his hof candidacy.

Always heard he was a real asshole. Don't typically pay a lot of attention to such reports, but i remember a Pete quote. Can't remember the context, he was still playing at the time. In short he said if you got tired of your wife just toss her a million and move on.

He could be a jerk off, but on the whole was a good guy. It’s a shame all the way around that he got his ass in a wringer. He could have been baseballs’ best ambassador ever.

[oujour76]

Sept 30, 2024 22:10:48 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 30, 2024 21:52:14 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

during my TV reporting days, I did get a chance to hang out with Pete a little bit. In the late 80s I worked in Charleston, West Virginia, which was definitely Reds country and part of the preseason caravan for their radio network. When he arrived at our station, he got out of a Cadillac limo, was wearing a red, silk tracksuit, tennis shoes that were kind of bedazzled and one of the thicker gold chains I had ever seen a white guy wear at that time in my life. He also had on his arm, a very busty blonde, which was his girlfriend at the time I think.

He did love talking baseball and once the lights were on his interview with our Sports Director was frankly awesome to watch from behind the cameras in the studio. But when they were off, he expected a lot of things to be done for him and made that very well known all afternoon that he was there. About 10 years prior I was in Cincinnati. One of my high school buddies went to UC there we went and saw the Reds play Montreal the night that he got his 3000th hit off Steve Rogers. the night before we went downtown to hang out a little bit and to our shock Pete was there at the bar we went to with an entourage , and he was making fun of anybody in the bar that wasn’t part of his group and I mean loudly dissing folks. Of course his entourage discouraged most of the folks who had a different opinion about themselves than Pete did about them. We didn’t hang out very long because we feared getting in the middle , yes he was an asshole. Of course, there have been and will always be plenty of assholes in sports on the pro level. It’s not a reason to keep a model of Hall of Fame.

Thanks for the background. I'd heard bad things about Rose, but frankly, didn't pay it much attention. But your comment about being the same guy on and off the field says a lot and kind of puts on a bow on the whole thing. (I'm sure Ray Fosse, wherever he is out there in the ether, probably agrees with you.)

Wasn’t my experience with him, but admittedly I met him in his later years. I have no doubt the younger version was full of himself.

[canefan]

Oct 1, 2024 8:31:58 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sept 30, 2024 22:10:48 GMT -5 Walter said:

Thanks for the background. I'd heard bad things about Rose, but frankly, didn't pay it much attention. But your comment about being the same guy on and off the field says a lot and kind of puts on a bow on the whole thing. (I'm sure Ray Fosse, wherever he is out there in the ether, probably agrees with you.)

Wasn’t my experience with him, but admittedly I met him in his later years. I have no doubt the younger version was full of himself.

Trivia question. Who threw the ball to the plate that Rose crashed Fosse's career in the All Star game?

[oujour76]

Oct 1, 2024 10:33:27 GMT -5 canefan said:

Oct 1, 2024 8:31:58 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Wasn’t my experience with him, but admittedly I met him in his later years. I have no doubt the younger version was full of himself.

Trivia question. Who threw the ball to the plate that Rose crashed Fosse's career in the All Star game?

Your man AO.