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Post by mscott59 on Oct 1, 2024 11:43:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the background. I'd heard bad things about Rose, but frankly, didn't pay it much attention. But your comment about being the same guy on and off the field says a lot and kind of puts on a bow on the whole thing. (I'm sure Ray Fosse, wherever he is out there in the ether, probably agrees with you.) Wasn’t my experience with him, but admittedly I met him in his later years. I have no doubt the younger version was full of himself. harry, the truly sad part of the entire hof question was that was the meeting rose had w/bud selig a couple decades ago, set up by ex-teammates/buddies (and hof'ers) joe morgan & mike schmidt. even though rose voluntarily signed the deal to be banned permanently in return for no admission he bet on baseball and/or his reds, selig was open to cracking open the door for possible reinstatement (and likely hof consideration). all that was required was an admission of guilt, and that he'd stop his rampant betting habit and hawking himself out for $$ to sign anything. rose agreed, and the next day he was on a plane to appear at a sports book in vegas. watching how pete was talking about baseball, on air or off, then watching his entire persona change back in charleston 30+ yrs ago, it kind of reminds me of bobby knight, who could be incredibly engaging and funny, yet it seemed that if his ego got challenged, he did a 180. fay vincent in an interview last night said that in his opinion everything was a vehicle for $$ w/rose, and that admitting he was wrong would in rose's mind get in the way of making money. did you work w/him back in the day? |
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Post by canefan on Oct 1, 2024 12:04:17 GMT -5
Trivia question. Who threw the ball to the plate that Rose crashed Fosse's career in the All Star game? Your man AO. Playing in his first All Star game. |
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Post by oujour76 on Oct 1, 2024 12:31:27 GMT -5
Playing in his first All Star game. Didn’t realize that…. |
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Post by Mickey34jb on Oct 1, 2024 12:35:04 GMT -5
WOW...Another star from our youth gone...it's all catching up with us, gentlemen... I realized the other day, I am now the eldest survivor in my family...either branch of any tree...<SIGH>...this getting older stuff is getting old.   |
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Post by Mickey34jb on Oct 1, 2024 12:36:13 GMT -5
Pete is gone at 83. Maybe now he gets into the Hall. |
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Post by Mickey34jb on Oct 1, 2024 12:42:24 GMT -5
during my TV reporting days, I did get a chance to hang out with Pete a little bit. In the late 80s I worked in Charleston, West Virginia, which was definitely Reds country and part of the preseason caravan for their radio network. When he arrived at our station, he got out of a Cadillac limo, was wearing a red, silk tracksuit, tennis shoes that were kind of bedazzled and one of the thicker gold chains I had ever seen a white guy wear at that time in my life. He also had on his arm, a very busty blonde, which was his girlfriend at the time I think. He did love talking baseball and once the lights were on his interview with our Sports Director was frankly awesome to watch from behind the cameras in the studio. But when they were off, he expected a lot of things to be done for him and made that very well known all afternoon that he was there. About 10 years prior I was in Cincinnati. One of my high school buddies went to UC there we went and saw the Reds play Montreal the night that he got his 3000th hit off Steve Rogers. the night before we went downtown to hang out a little bit and to our shock Pete was there at the bar we went to with an entourage , and he was making fun of anybody in the bar that wasn’t part of his group and I mean loudly dissing folks. Of course his entourage discouraged most of the folks who had a different opinion about themselves than Pete did about them. We didn’t hang out very long because we feared getting in the middle , yes he was an asshole. Of course, there have been and will always be plenty of assholes in sports on the pro level. It’s not a reason to keep a model of Hall of Fame. No doubt. From what I understand there was never a bigger A hole than Ty Cobb and he is in. But Pete carries that gambling stigma. I'm a toss up. I think he probably suffered enough not getting into the HoF while alive. His stats certainly deserve admission.
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Post by mscott59 on Oct 1, 2024 12:45:30 GMT -5
Playing in his first All Star game. al oliver? |
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Post by oujour76 on Oct 1, 2024 13:43:02 GMT -5
Playing in his first All Star game. al oliver? Amos Otis. |
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Oct 1, 2024 17:30:34 GMT -5
LOL...I read that name, and IMMEDIATELY my head flashed to : |
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Post by oujour76 on Oct 1, 2024 18:10:09 GMT -5
LOL...I read that name, and IMMEDIATELY my head flashed to : Jerry Reed! A legend! |
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Oct 1, 2024 18:58:56 GMT -5
WOW...Another star from our youth gone...it's all catching up with us, gentlemen... I realized the other day, I am now the eldest survivor in my family...either branch of any tree...<SIGH>...this getting older stuff is getting old. Speaking of....remember this? |
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Post by oujour76 on Oct 1, 2024 19:24:25 GMT -5
You are now the family patriarch Ben Cartwright. Speaking of....remember this? I do! |
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Oct 1, 2024 19:41:46 GMT -5
Speaking of....remember this? I do! a-hmm...we may be telling on ourselves a bit on that one... |
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Post by oujour76 on Oct 1, 2024 23:27:23 GMT -5
a-hmm...we may be telling on ourselves a bit on that one... We’re well past that. 😎 |
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Post by canefan on Oct 2, 2024 9:34:24 GMT -5
Playing in his first All Star game. Didn’t realize that…. I think it was Howard Cosell who always lamented the Mets trading AO to the Royals for Joe Foy. KC got AO and Bob Johnson who they traded a year later for Freddie Patek. As for AO and the play, from his Bio: On his way to hitting .284 in 1970 (first is KC) with 36 doubles, tied for the league lead, Otis reached base by hit or walk in 135 of his 159 games. He became the Royals’ second All-Star and was involved in one of the best-known plays in All-Star Game history. Otis made the throw to the plate on which Pete Rose collided with Ray Fosse. That throw, Otis recalled in 1996, spawned the nickname Famous Amos “because I made that great throw from center field. It was a one-hop throw. … That’s the way baseball’s supposed to be played.”25 |
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