Israel

[trnyerheadncough]

Nov 16, 2024 20:48:49 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

Nov 16, 2024 18:10:11 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

It can over time. It’s also an oversimplification. Which was my point.

Your only point was to troll over semantics and playing word games over prosperous or wealth could have been achieved there 2005-2024 had they made the choices I described.

Building wealth wasn’t what you said. Being a wealthy place is. And it is incorrect.

[nu5ncbigred]

Nov 16, 2024 23:58:01 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Nov 16, 2024 20:48:49 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

Your only point was to troll over semantics and playing word games over prosperous or wealth could have been achieved there 2005-2024 had they made the choices I described.

Building wealth wasn’t what you said. Being a wealthy place is. And it is incorrect.

It could well have been a wealthy place by now had they made the right choices 2005 to 2024 and stand by that statement. They made a very poor choice and haven’t had an election since then either. They wasted all their foreign aid on underground fortifications and weapons/ weapon making. They refused to recognize Israel’s right to exist and thus participate in natural gas development. They constantly attack Israel and make building hotels, resorts, and casinos, and got themselves cut off from the world rightly by Israel so no cruise ships or trade. Getting themselves bombed regularly in retaliation for missile and rocket attacks into Israeli civilian centers didn’t help them either. Gaza had the ingredients and potential to maintain peace and a democracy to create wealth and they chose badly.

[trnyerheadncough]

Nov 17, 2024 0:39:39 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

Nov 16, 2024 23:58:01 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Building wealth wasn’t what you said. Being a wealthy place is. And it is incorrect.

It could well have been a wealthy place by now had they made the right choices 2005 to 2024 and stand by that statement. They made a very poor choice and haven’t had an election since then either. They wasted all their foreign aid on underground fortifications and weapons/ weapon making. They refused to recognize Israel’s right to exist and thus participate in natural gas development. They constantly attack Israel and make building hotels, resorts, and casinos, and got themselves cut off from the world rightly by Israel so no cruise ships or trade. Getting themselves bombed regularly in retaliation for missile and rocket attacks into Israeli civilian centers didn’t help them either. Gaza had the ingredients and potential to maintain peace and a democracy to create wealth and they chose badly.

Foreign aid doesn’t make a place wealthy either.

Don’t disagree that Gaza would be in a better spot if its leaders were more interested in their citizens than the Israelis, but they’d not be wealthy.

[nu5ncbigred]

Nov 17, 2024 8:49:09 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Nov 17, 2024 0:39:39 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

It could well have been a wealthy place by now had they made the right choices 2005 to 2024 and stand by that statement. They made a very poor choice and haven’t had an election since then either. They wasted all their foreign aid on underground fortifications and weapons/ weapon making. They refused to recognize Israel’s right to exist and thus participate in natural gas development. They constantly attack Israel and make building hotels, resorts, and casinos, and got themselves cut off from the world rightly by Israel so no cruise ships or trade. Getting themselves bombed regularly in retaliation for missile and rocket attacks into Israeli civilian centers didn’t help them either. Gaza had the ingredients and potential to maintain peace and a democracy to create wealth and they chose badly.

Foreign aid doesn’t make a place wealthy either.

Don’t disagree that Gaza would be in a better spot if its leaders were more interested in their citizens than the Israelis, but they’d not be wealthy.

If they’d used the aid to build industry and infastructure and not waste it in on tunnels and weapons, it would have generated on going income. You underestimate what natural gas and robust tourism can do for a small area. Europe would have bought the natural gas. You arbitrarily limiting their economic potential as to what they could have achieved is rather interesting and petty.

[Walter]

Nov 17, 2024 8:49:09 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Nov 17, 2024 0:39:39 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

It could well have been a wealthy place by now had they made the right choices 2005 to 2024 and stand by that statement. They made a very poor choice and haven’t had an election since then either. They wasted all their foreign aid on underground fortifications and weapons/ weapon making. They refused to recognize Israel’s right to exist and thus participate in natural gas development. They constantly attack Israel and make building hotels, resorts, and casinos, and got themselves cut off from the world rightly by Israel so no cruise ships or trade. Getting themselves bombed regularly in retaliation for missile and rocket attacks into Israeli civilian centers didn’t help them either. Gaza had the ingredients and potential to maintain peace and a democracy to create wealth and they chose badly.

Foreign aid doesn’t make a place wealthy either.

Don’t disagree that Gaza would be in a better spot if its leaders were more interested in their citizens than the Israelis, but they’d not be wealthy.

Gaza, even in the best of times, imports most of its food and energy. It is tough to build wealth when most all aid goes to just surviving.

[trnyerheadncough]

Nov 17, 2024 10:13:17 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

Nov 17, 2024 8:49:09 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Foreign aid doesn’t make a place wealthy either.

Don’t disagree that Gaza would be in a better spot if its leaders were more interested in their citizens than the Israelis, but they’d not be wealthy.

If they’d used the aid to build industry and infastructure and not waste it in on tunnels and weapons, it would have generated on going income. You underestimate what natural gas and robust tourism can do for a small area. Europe would have bought the natural gas. You arbitrarily limiting their economic potential as to what they could have achieved is rather interesting and petty.

Baloney. The difference between us is that I actually read something on the subject before claiming they’d be wealthy. It isn’t petty to point out inaccurate claims.

[trnyerheadncough]

Nov 17, 2024 10:14:10 GMT -5 Walter said:

Nov 17, 2024 8:49:09 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Foreign aid doesn’t make a place wealthy either.

Don’t disagree that Gaza would be in a better spot if its leaders were more interested in their citizens than the Israelis, but they’d not be wealthy.

Gaza, even in the best of times, imports most of its food and energy. It is tough to build wealth when most all aid goes to just surviving.

No doubt. Additionally, the notion of going from impoverished to wealthy in the span of less than a generation is nonsensical on its face.

But NU has never been particularly interested in the truth.

[Buckeye Dale]

Nov 16, 2024 16:02:14 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

Nov 16, 2024 15:44:58 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Great. It doesn’t make the country wealthy.

The relative wealth they could have developed with a Mediterranean cruise and tourist economy, natural gas, and generous foreign investment used wisely and stable agriculture would have matched or exceeded the per capita wealth of many nations. There were no limits to the potential of a politically and economically free people there could have achieved. A much better life than what Hamas delivered prior to October 7, 2023.

Come on...the "I'm smarter than anyone else in the room" guy won't ever admit he might be 'mistaken' (or lie)...you know that by now.

[Buckeye Dale]

Nov 16, 2024 16:37:53 GMT -5 Walter said:

Nov 16, 2024 12:47:16 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Israel voluntarily left Gaza in 2005, their army even forcibly removed Israeli citizens from their homes. Hamas won the elections in 2006, and that’s when things really started going to shit. Hasn’t been an election since then. Hamas leaders got rich, they have done shit for their people and of course it’s all Israel’s fault. SMH.

41,000 dead people, the majority of whom are women and children has nothing at all to do with anything Israel has done.
Got it.

Once again, look at my avatar...& don't be so damned stupid.

[trnyerheadncough]

Nov 17, 2024 11:27:30 GMT -5 Buckeye Dale said:

Nov 16, 2024 16:02:14 GMT -5 nu5ncbigred said:

The relative wealth they could have developed with a Mediterranean cruise and tourist economy, natural gas, and generous foreign investment used wisely and stable agriculture would have matched or exceeded the per capita wealth of many nations. There were no limits to the potential of a politically and economically free people there could have achieved. A much better life than what Hamas delivered prior to October 7, 2023.

Come on...the "I'm smarter than anyone else in the room" guy won't ever admit he might be 'mistaken' (or lie)...you know that by now.

I’ve admitted when I’ve been wrong, coward. Lemme know when you grow some testicles and can bring yourself to face me instead of hiding behind the ignore button.

[oujour76]

Nov 17, 2024 10:14:10 GMT -5 Walter said:

Nov 17, 2024 8:49:09 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Foreign aid doesn’t make a place wealthy either.

Don’t disagree that Gaza would be in a better spot if its leaders were more interested in their citizens than the Israelis, but they’d not be wealthy.

Gaza, even in the best of times, imports most of its food and energy. It is tough to build wealth when most all aid goes to just surviving.

And using a significant portion of the aid being given for tunnels and weapons is a sure fire way to build wealth. Right?

[Walter]

Nov 17, 2024 12:40:53 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Nov 17, 2024 10:14:10 GMT -5 Walter said:

Gaza, even in the best of times, imports most of its food and energy. It is tough to build wealth when most all aid goes to just surviving.

And using a significant portion of the aid being given for tunnels and weapons is a sure fire way to build wealth. Right?

Not sure why you keep thinking I think Hamas is, in any way, good for Gaza. They are not.

But even if George Washington was reincarnated as the leader in Gaza, the idea that it would ever be wealthy in his lifetime is a bad bet to make.

They did not have much ecomomic infrastructure pre-1967, and decades of military occupation hasn't improved that reality.

And thanks to Hamas' stupidity and Israel's response, Gaza is now a dystopian nightmare that will take 50 years to fix, even if Hamas disappeared today and good relations btwn Pals and Israelis ensued.

[oujour76]

Nov 17, 2024 10:14:10 GMT -5 Walter said:

Nov 17, 2024 8:49:09 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Foreign aid doesn’t make a place wealthy either.

Don’t disagree that Gaza would be in a better spot if its leaders were more interested in their citizens than the Israelis, but they’d not be wealthy.

Gaza, even in the best of times, imports most of its food and energy. It is tough to build wealth when most all aid goes to just surviving.

FWIW, so does Israel.

[oujour76]

Nov 17, 2024 12:53:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Nov 17, 2024 12:40:53 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

And using a significant portion of the aid being given for tunnels and weapons is a sure fire way to build wealth. Right?

Not sure why you keep thinking I think Hamas is, in any way, good for Gaza. They are not.

But even if George Washington was reincarnated as the leader in Gaza, the idea that it would ever be wealthy in his lifetime is a bad bet to make.

They did not have much ecomomic infrastructure pre-1967, and decades of military occupation hasn't improved that reality.

And thanks to Hamas' stupidity and Israel's response, Gaza is now a dystopian nightmare that will take 50 years to fix, even if Hamas disappeared today and good relations btwn Pals and Israelis ensued.

Wealthy is a relative term. What infrastructure did Israel have in 1947?

[Walter]

Nov 17, 2024 13:21:23 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Nov 17, 2024 12:53:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Not sure why you keep thinking I think Hamas is, in any way, good for Gaza. They are not.

But even if George Washington was reincarnated as the leader in Gaza, the idea that it would ever be wealthy in his lifetime is a bad bet to make.

They did not have much ecomomic infrastructure pre-1967, and decades of military occupation hasn't improved that reality.

And thanks to Hamas' stupidity and Israel's response, Gaza is now a dystopian nightmare that will take 50 years to fix, even if Hamas disappeared today and good relations btwn Pals and Israelis ensued.

Wealthy is a relative term. What infrastructure did Israel have in 1947?

I must have missed it...What army has occupied Israel for the past 60 years, taken their land by force and given it to rival settlers?