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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 14:02:55 GMT -5
The SEC voted against FSU for its own good reasons. And FSU went to the ACC for its own good reasons. Not sure why you can't accept that.
Instead, you seem to accept as gospel truth that the only reason FSU went to the ACC was to duck the SEC. Look, just because Bobby Bowden paid props to the SEC does not mean that FSU was scared. Not sure why you can't see that. SEC blinders, I suppose.
After joining the ACC, FSU still maintained a very strong OOC...Nebraska, Notre Dame, BYU, USC, Texas A&M and, of course, Miami and Florida.
Now, the last few years, that has changed. Unfortunately, they have weakened their OOC and have teams like Murray State, Savannah State, The Citadel and other punching bags. well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......interesting FACT, the only ones backing out of anything/or ducking is SEC teams wanting to play FSU during the regular season, even UF has tried recently to refrain from playing FSU in the future...something about expanding their conference games. Gotta love the spin being put on this one by gators and/or SEC fans...it took all FSU had to get BAMA to FINALLY AGREE to play us during the regular season and they only agreed to do it if it was at a neutral site....ranked BAMA lost to unranked FSU.....DUCKING INDEED Insofar as what you wrote about UF trying to refrain from playing FSU in the future, it isn't the truth. There hasn't been any moves by UF to end the UF vs. FSU game, none. Jeremy Foley wouldn't consider it in 2003 after The Swindle In The Swamp choosing instead to require use of home conference refs for home games when the contract came up for renewal. I'd say the opposite to what you wrote. The UF vs. FSU game is a sacred game that would take a major negative event to cause a cancellation by either side. The SEC plays 8 conference games, same as the ACC. The SEC voted 13-1 not to expand to 9 conference games. The only program that voted for it was bama. Even when the SEC does expand to 9 games, the UF vs. FSU rivalry will not end as a result of the action.
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Post by bgovolfan on May 14, 2015 14:08:37 GMT -5
well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......interesting FACT, the only ones backing out of anything/or ducking is SEC teams wanting to play FSU during the regular season, even UF has tried recently to refrain from playing FSU in the future...something about expanding their conference games. Gotta love the spin being put on this one by gators and/or SEC fans...it took all FSU had to get BAMA to FINALLY AGREE to play us during the regular season and they only agreed to do it if it was at a neutral site....ranked BAMA lost to unranked FSU.....DUCKING INDEED Insofar as what you wrote about UF trying to refrain from playing FSU in the future, it isn't the truth. There hasn't been any moves by UF to end the UF vs. FSU game, none. Jeremy Foley wouldn't consider it in 2003 after The Swindle In The Swamp choosing instead to require use of home conference refs for home games when the contract came up for renewal. I'd say the opposite to what you wrote. The UF vs. FSU game is a sacred game that would take a major negative event to cause a cancellation by either side. Nitro's talking points are too often more from his heart than from the facts Bg(hmmm...much like you <g>)VolFan
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Post by nitronole on May 14, 2015 14:15:05 GMT -5
well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......interesting FACT, the only ones backing out of anything/or ducking is SEC teams wanting to play FSU during the regular season, even UF has tried recently to refrain from playing FSU in the future...something about expanding their conference games. Gotta love the spin being put on this one by gators and/or SEC fans...it took all FSU had to get BAMA to FINALLY AGREE to play us during the regular season and they only agreed to do it if it was at a neutral site....ranked BAMA lost to unranked FSU.....DUCKING INDEED Insofar as what you wrote about UF trying to refrain from playing FSU in the future, it isn't the truth. There hasn't been any moves by UF to end the UF vs. FSU game, none. Jeremy Foley wouldn't consider it in 2003 after The Swindle In The Swamp choosing instead to require use of home conference refs for home games when the contract came up for renewal. I'd say the opposite to what you wrote. The UF vs. FSU game is a sacred game that would take a major negative event to cause a cancellation by either side. The SEC plays 8 conference games, same as the ACC. The SEC voted 13-1 not to expand to 9 conference games. The only program that voted for it was bama. Even when the SEC does expand to 9 games, the UF vs. FSU rivalry will not end as a result of the action. didn't say there was any "moves' said there was discussions/thoughts/comments/etc .....
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Post by nitronole on May 14, 2015 14:17:46 GMT -5
well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......interesting FACT, the only ones backing out of anything/or ducking is SEC teams wanting to play FSU during the regular season, even UF has tried recently to refrain from playing FSU in the future...something about expanding their conference games. Gotta love the spin being put on this one by gators and/or SEC fans...it took all FSU had to get BAMA to FINALLY AGREE to play us during the regular season and they only agreed to do it if it was at a neutral site....ranked BAMA lost to unranked FSU.....DUCKING INDEED Insofar as what you wrote about UF trying to refrain from playing FSU in the future, it isn't the truth. There hasn't been any moves by UF to end the UF vs. FSU game, none. Jeremy Foley wouldn't consider it in 2003 after The Swindle In The Swamp choosing instead to require use of home conference refs for home games when the contract came up for renewal. I'd say the opposite to what you wrote. The UF vs. FSU game is a sacred game that would take a major negative event to cause a cancellation by either side.
The SEC plays 8 conference games, same as the ACC. The SEC voted 13-1 not to expand to 9 conference games. The only program that voted for it was bama. Even when the SEC does expand to 9 games, the UF vs. FSU rivalry will not end as a result of the action. I am sure that after playing EVERY YEAR from 1938 to 1987, UM fans thought the same thing when UF elected to drop them.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 14:24:06 GMT -5
Insofar as what you wrote about UF trying to refrain from playing FSU in the future, it isn't the truth. There hasn't been any moves by UF to end the UF vs. FSU game, none. Jeremy Foley wouldn't consider it in 2003 after The Swindle In The Swamp choosing instead to require use of home conference refs for home games when the contract came up for renewal. I'd say the opposite to what you wrote. The UF vs. FSU game is a sacred game that would take a major negative event to cause a cancellation by either side.
The SEC plays 8 conference games, same as the ACC. The SEC voted 13-1 not to expand to 9 conference games. The only program that voted for it was bama. Even when the SEC does expand to 9 games, the UF vs. FSU rivalry will not end as a result of the action. I am sure that after playing EVERY YEAR from 1938 to 1987, UM fans thought the same thing when UF elected to drop them. It just goes to show how much FSU is respected and appreciated as a rival and how much Miami is detested as a program UF used to play. There is bad blood (hatred) between the two programs that dates back to the early 70s. It started with UF doing a boneheaded fall down play on defense so Miami could score and to get the ball back for John Reaves to break some stupid passing record. It's been one thing after another since then with the hatred growing to unhealthy levels on both sides. There is zero pleasure for anybody in the games.
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Post by oujour76 on May 14, 2015 14:28:16 GMT -5
well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......interesting FACT, the only ones backing out of anything/or ducking is SEC teams wanting to play FSU during the regular season, even UF has tried recently to refrain from playing FSU in the future...something about expanding their conference games. Gotta love the spin being put on this one by gators and/or SEC fans...it took all FSU had to get BAMA to FINALLY AGREE to play us during the regular season and they only agreed to do it if it was at a neutral site....ranked BAMA lost to unranked FSU.....DUCKING INDEED [/quote] I have no doubt that some of that (late cancellations) has occurred. Happens to every school every now and then. But, if you're claiming it's the sole reason, I'm calling BS.
In just the last 5 years, you guys have had Samford, Charleston Southern, Murray State, Savannah State, Bethune Cookman, Idaho and the Citadel on your schedule. That is not due to late cancellations, it's a change in philosophy.
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Post by nitronole on May 14, 2015 14:31:21 GMT -5
well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......interesting FACT, the only ones backing out of anything/or ducking is SEC teams wanting to play FSU during the regular season, even UF has tried recently to refrain from playing FSU in the future...something about expanding their conference games. Gotta love the spin being put on this one by gators and/or SEC fans...it took all FSU had to get BAMA to FINALLY AGREE to play us during the regular season and they only agreed to do it if it was at a neutral site....ranked BAMA lost to unranked FSU.....DUCKING INDEED I have no doubt that some of that (late cancellations) has occurred. Happens to every school every now and then. But, if you're claiming it's the sole reason, I'm calling BS.
In just the last 5 years, you guys have had Samford, Charleston Southern, Murray State, Savannah State, Bethune Cookman, Idaho and the Citadel on your schedule. That is not due to late cancellations, it's a change in philosophy. [/quote] nothing in my post even suggests that....my comment was more of a dig at SEC -Auburn for "ducking FSU"... the complete opposite of what was being stated here.
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Post by oujour76 on May 14, 2015 14:41:27 GMT -5
I have no doubt that some of that (late cancellations) has occurred. Happens to every school every now and then . But, if you're claiming it's the sole reason, I'm calling BS. In just the last 5 years, you guys have had Samford, Charleston Southern, Murray State, Savannah State, Bethune Cookman, Idaho and the Citadel on your schedule. That is not due to late cancellations, it's a change in philosophy. [/font] [/quote] nothing in my post even suggests that....my comment was more of a dig at SEC -Auburn for "ducking FSU"... the complete opposite of what was being stated here. [/quote] If you say so, but imo this certainly does suggest more than just a dig at the SEC:
"well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......"
West Virginia is not in the SEC and I have no idea what conference "etc." plays in.
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Post by daleko on May 14, 2015 15:17:11 GMT -5
Trn said it best: "Now, if you want to argue that FSU used UFs probation to springboard into the monumental run that no team has seen before or since...OK." UF played FSU all through that monumental dynasty plus played FSU in two Sugar Bowls as well. I don't think any team will match what FSU did over those 15 years, at least not in our life times. Throw in an occasional Miami and UF has played tougher ooc than most programs whether instate or out of state. I've documented that with facts here many times. The only issue is everyone would like to see UF travel to other regions, but that is easier said than done. With Miami off UF's schedule for the foreseeable future, UF will do some traveling starting with Michigan in 17 at Jerry's World. Cue the UF is afraid to play Miami comments from the hypocrites who have to have something to complain out when it comes to UF. FSU for years had a two game season, Florida and Miami. Of course, FSU had an easier road to their national championships based in the ACC rather than the SEC. This talk that the ACC was on par with the SEC in the 80s or 90s is crapola. Somebody had better produce the evidence of same for me to buy that line. Nitro, yes, it was about the money; however, we all know Bobby Bowden was all powerful in his time and he made it clear where he wanted FSU to play when joining a conference. If Bobby Bowden had said he wanted to play in the SEC, that's where FSU would have been regardless of the money. Harry, if the SEC voted against FSU membership, it was because the writing was on the wall with FSU to the ACC so it was a saving face measure. UF had actually sponsored FSU for SEC membership. You can be sure that will never happen again after FSU snubbed the SEC. All of this yak about TV coverage footprint and what does FSU bring to the conference is just blowing smoke. FSU is a football first school, a football factory, and they are an excellent fit for the SEC. The SEC is still offended for being snubbed by FSU for that inferior conference known as the ACC. The SEC voted against FSU for its own good reasons. And FSU went to the ACC for its own good reasons. Not sure why you can't accept that.
Instead, you seem to accept as gospel truth that the only reason FSU went to the ACC was to duck the SEC. Look, just because Bobby Bowden paid props to the SEC does not mean that FSU was scared. Not sure why you can't see that. SEC blinders, I suppose.
After joining the ACC, FSU still maintained a very strong OOC...Nebraska, Notre Dame, BYU, USC, Texas A&M and, of course, Miami and Florida.
Now, the last few years, that has changed. Unfortunately, they have weakened their OOC and have teams like Murray State, Savannah State, The Citadel and other punching bags. Noted that you didn't mention Georgia Southern in your post to ET. Mighty White of you.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 14, 2015 18:22:42 GMT -5
well when teams like Auburn, West Virginia, etc. pays us $500,000 and backs out of a contract to play FSU, it is hard finding quality opponets with such late notice......interesting FACT, the only ones backing out of anything/or ducking is SEC teams wanting to play FSU during the regular season, even UF has tried recently to refrain from playing FSU in the future...something about expanding their conference games. Gotta love the spin being put on this one by gators and/or SEC fans...it took all FSU had to get BAMA to FINALLY AGREE to play us during the regular season and they only agreed to do it if it was at a neutral site....ranked BAMA lost to unranked FSU.....DUCKING INDEED I have no doubt that some of that (late cancellations) has occurred. Happens to every school every now and then. But, if you're claiming it's the sole reason, I'm calling BS.
In just the last 5 years, you guys have had Samford, Charleston Southern, Murray State, Savannah State, Bethune Cookman, Idaho and the Citadel on your schedule. That is not due to late cancellations, it's a change in philosophy. [/quote] Not sure it is total philosophy change. Last year OOC, we had Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, and UF. In 2012, we had UF and what was supposed to be West Virginia. I agree we've added some more cupcakes with the addition of another game....but we still schedule pretty well, by and large. 2015 is a very weak schedule. 2016 is better.
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Post by oujour76 on May 14, 2015 21:58:14 GMT -5
Not sure it is total philosophy change. Last year OOC, we had Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, and UF. In 2012, we had UF and what was supposed to be West Virginia. I agree we've added some more cupcakes with the addition of another game....but we still schedule pretty well, by and large. 2015 is a very weak schedule. 2016 is better.[/quote] Not saying a total change. I know that FSU still puts good teams on the OOC, and I'm not dogging them. But, I have to agree with ET...the OOC schedules took a hit after ACC expansion. Prior to 2005, FSU didn't really schedule D2 type schools. Same can't be said after that.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 9:13:28 GMT -5
Not sure it is total philosophy change. Last year OOC, we had Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, and UF. In 2012, we had UF and what was supposed to be West Virginia. I agree we've added some more cupcakes with the addition of another game....but we still schedule pretty well, by and large. 2015 is a very weak schedule. 2016 is better. Not saying a total change. I know that FSU still puts good teams on the OOC, and I'm not dogging them. But, I have to agree with ET...the OOC schedules took a hit after ACC expansion. Prior to 2005, FSU didn't really schedule D2 type schools. Same can't be said after that.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on May 15, 2015 10:58:35 GMT -5
Not sure it is total philosophy change. Last year OOC, we had Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, and UF. In 2012, we had UF and what was supposed to be West Virginia. I agree we've added some more cupcakes with the addition of another game....but we still schedule pretty well, by and large. 2015 is a very weak schedule. 2016 is better. Not saying a total change. I know that FSU still puts good teams on the OOC, and I'm not dogging them. But, I have to agree with ET...the OOC schedules took a hit after ACC expansion. Prior to 2005, FSU didn't really schedule D2 type schools. Same can't be said after that.
[/quote] Can't disagree with you, but I think that's the way college football is heading...for good or bad. Back before a few years ago, it was a 11 game schedule with a bowl game to make 12. Now it is a 12 game schedule, with a conference championship game (13), and if you make the playoffs, potentially two more games, or a regular bowl with just 1. Ohio State played 15 games last season. That's a 25% increase. Not insignificant, IMO. Even though I think fans will ultimately hate it, the reality is, there needs to be another "bye" week in the season which isn't actually a bye week. Cupcake games that are moneymakers for both the university that is coming to the big dog, and the big dog to get an easier win and rest, and money.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 11:37:03 GMT -5
Not sure it is total philosophy change. Last year OOC, we had Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, and UF. In 2012, we had UF and what was supposed to be West Virginia. I agree we've added some more cupcakes with the addition of another game....but we still schedule pretty well, by and large. 2015 is a very weak schedule. 2016 is better. Not saying a total change. I know that FSU still puts good teams on the OOC, and I'm not dogging them. But, I have to agree with ET...the OOC schedules took a hit after ACC expansion. Prior to 2005, FSU didn't really schedule D2 type schools. Same can't be said after that. Can't disagree with you, but I think that's the way college football is heading...for good or bad. Back before a few years ago, it was a 11 game schedule with a bowl game to make 12. Now it is a 12 game schedule, with a conference championship game (13), and if you make the playoffs, potentially two more games, or a regular bowl with just 1. Ohio State played 15 games last season. That's a 25% increase. Not insignificant, IMO. Even though I think fans will ultimately hate it, the reality is, there needs to be another "bye" week in the season which isn't actually a bye week. Cupcake games that are moneymakers for both the university that is coming to the big dog, and the big dog to get an easier win and rest, and money. [/quote] Jeremy Foley has unsuccessfully lobbied for the season to be extended by 1 week and to have a real additional bye week dating back to when the 12th game was added. Maybe it's time to do it?
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Post by oujour76 on May 15, 2015 13:03:00 GMT -5
Not sure it is total philosophy change. Last year OOC, we had Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, and UF. In 2012, we had UF and what was supposed to be West Virginia. I agree we've added some more cupcakes with the addition of another game....but we still schedule pretty well, by and large. 2015 is a very weak schedule. 2016 is better. Not saying a total change. I know that FSU still puts good teams on the OOC, and I'm not dogging them. But, I have to agree with ET...the OOC schedules took a hit after ACC expansion. Prior to 2005, FSU didn't really schedule D2 type schools. Same can't be said after that. Well dang! That's a first! (chuckle)[/quote] Yes, it did take you a long time to get one right, didn't it?
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