Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 0:51:49 GMT -5
/photo/1
|
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Now THIS here...is a member
|
Post by lz2112 on May 13, 2015 1:10:42 GMT -5
That's not much of a revelation, Bowden alluded to that several times when he was still coaching.
His comments on UF's probation in the 80's helping kick start the Nole dynasty in the 90's are also something Nole fans cringe to hear.
|
|
Gator Bait!
|
Enter your message here...
Godlike Member
|
Post by trnyerheadncough on May 13, 2015 11:52:23 GMT -5
That's not much of a revelation, Bowden alluded to that several times when he was still coaching. His comments on UF's probation in the 80's helping kick start the Nole dynasty in the 90's are also something Nole fans cringe to hear. He's incorrect there too. FSU was pretty good in the late 70s and early 80s, which is what lead to UF hiring Pell (in part) and lead to UF cheating in the first place.
|
|
That's TrnYerHeadnCough...
"Champion Douche -- 2012 AND 2013"
Back to Back...they may have to retire the contest...
"Bowl Champion Douche --2012-2013"
Get it right.
|
THE BIGGEST DOUCHE OF THE FULL SEASON TOURNAMENT - 2021
Godlike Member
|
Post by daleko on May 13, 2015 12:14:25 GMT -5
What he said and what you imply are two separate issues. Clearly, and what you have seen in the SEC today if you want to be in play for a MNC in a publicity vote, which was in vogue when he coached, you can't lose a game to give yourself the best op. I doubt anyone would argue that there were more land mines in the SEC than in the ACC, at the time he said it. It's why PSU stayed as an independent for years as did ND. Doesn't mean that, as a top level team, you can't rise above the fray on occasion but overall PSU's days as a consistent MNC player ended when they joined the B1G. And then you have recruiting differences. As just another SEC team, it'd be difficult to sell differentiation competing for all of that Fla HS talent. In a small part, with the ACC you had the perception, true or not at the time, of higher academics. For the most part though being in a different conf than you buddies is and has an allure. Besides, today you have a historical bottom feeder B12 team who lately has dominated in the SEC E. I'm sure Ga and Fla would have rather seen the SEC bring in Indy. Oh wait, never mind they pounded Mizzou.
|
|
THE BIGGEST DOUCHE OF THE FULL SEASON TOURNAMENT - 2021 Bowl Season Champion - 2023
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 14:01:52 GMT -5
dale, that's as clear as mud.
|
|
Go Bucks!
Now THIS here...is a member
|
Post by beuycek on May 13, 2015 14:07:22 GMT -5
I'm sure Ga and Fla would have rather seen the SEC bring in Indy. Oh wait, never mind they pounded Mizzou. That is a high quality ending to this post. +1 for you, my friend.
|
|
THE BIGGEST DOUCHE OF THE FULL SEASON TOURNAMENT - 2021
Godlike Member
|
Post by daleko on May 13, 2015 14:10:46 GMT -5
dale, that's as clear as mud. I guess that depends on what your definition of is, is.
|
|
THE BIGGEST DOUCHE OF THE FULL SEASON TOURNAMENT - 2021 Bowl Season Champion - 2023
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 14:13:20 GMT -5
That's not much of a revelation, Bowden alluded to that several times when he was still coaching. His comments on UF's probation in the 80's helping kick start the Nole dynasty in the 90's are also something Nole fans cringe to hear. He's incorrect there too. FSU was pretty good in the late 70s and early 80s, which is what lead to UF hiring Pell (in part) and lead to UF cheating in the first place. In 79, UF was winless. Pell didn't have the studs in place from cheating for that to be the cause of UF starting a 6 game win streak against FSU in 1980. UF 83/84/85 were pretty darn good. 80/81/82 were down a notch compared to 83/84/85. It's true the FSU dynasty started at the time UF's probation started. I'd say Bobby Bowden is being honest about ducking the SEC and lz is right about Bobby Bowden's admission of when UF's probation started and FSU's dynasty began. Besides being good in the late 70s, FSU was pretty good in the 60s under Peterson as well. The Darrell Mudra years were the exception as FSU was good before and after.
|
|
Enter your message here...
Godlike Member
|
Post by trnyerheadncough on May 13, 2015 14:24:39 GMT -5
UF beat FSU in 1980? The first year UF beat FSU under Pell was 1981...in his third season. The man came from Clemson where he was somewhat run out of town there for cheating. Into Gainesville... Where the Gators had a grand total of 4 seasons in the previous 50 where they had 2 losses or less. Suddenly they set the world on fire and were chopped down for...cheating.
Yet, despite a history of relative mediocrity, that 3 year scandal is what "allowed" FSU to have its dynasty? It doesn't square with what we did in 1977, 1978, 1979 or 1980...
|
|
That's TrnYerHeadnCough...
"Champion Douche -- 2012 AND 2013"
Back to Back...they may have to retire the contest...
"Bowl Champion Douche --2012-2013"
Get it right.
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 14:40:45 GMT -5
Trn, you're fired as the Gators historian.
|
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Now THIS here...is a member
|
Post by lz2112 on May 13, 2015 15:00:37 GMT -5
Trn, you're fired as the Gators historian. Like I said ET, it annoys the hell out of Nole fans when Bowden admits that. I would guess Bobby Bowden has a better grasp of what helped kick start his dynasty than the average fans does.
|
|
Gator Bait!
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 15:17:44 GMT -5
Trn, you're fired as the Gators historian. Like I said ET, it annoys the hell out of Nole fans when Bowden admits that. I would guess Bobby Bowden has a better grasp of what helped kick start his dynasty than the average fans does. That's correct and FSU didn't have a dynasty in the late 70s either. In 81, it was a battle of mediocrity for both teams. What I said about UF being down in 80/81/82 compared to 83/84/85 is absolutely correct. It's also true that UF's probationary years kick started FSU's dynasty in 1987. UF weighted down by probation was barely over .500 in 86/87/88/89. By 90, FSU was already 3 years into their 13 year top 5 streak, 12 in the top 4 as I recall.
|
|
Enter your message here...
Godlike Member
|
Post by trnyerheadncough on May 13, 2015 17:01:57 GMT -5
Trn, you're fired as the Gators historian. Like I said ET, it annoys the hell out of Nole fans when Bowden admits that. I would guess Bobby Bowden has a better grasp of what helped kick start his dynasty than the average fans does. As I said, I guess it depends on the context. Prior to UF cheating...how many top 10 finishes had UF had in its history? Zero. How many had FSU had? Two. In 1979 and 1980. Now, if you want to argue that FSU used UFs probation to springboard into the monumental run that no team has seen before or since...OK. But the way Gators would portray it...and the way you're implying here is that but for UF going on probation...FSU would be an afterthought. And that's patently incorrect...our 79 and 80 team finished better than any in UF history, and had done so despite UF having a 50 year head start in football.
|
|
That's TrnYerHeadnCough...
"Champion Douche -- 2012 AND 2013"
Back to Back...they may have to retire the contest...
"Bowl Champion Douche --2012-2013"
Get it right.
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Godlike Member
|
Post by oujour76 on May 13, 2015 17:11:50 GMT -5
He's incorrect there too. FSU was pretty good in the late 70s and early 80s, which is what lead to UF hiring Pell (in part) and lead to UF cheating in the first place. In 79, UF was winless. Pell didn't have the studs in place from cheating for that to be the cause of UF starting a 6 game win streak against FSU in 1980. UF 83/84/85 were pretty darn good. 80/81/82 were down a notch compared to 83/84/85. It's true the FSU dynasty started at the time UF's probation started. I'd say Bobby Bowden is being honest about ducking the SEC and lz is right about Bobby Bowden's admission of when UF's probation started and FSU's dynasty began. Besides being good in the late 70s, FSU was pretty good in the 60s under Peterson as well. The Darrell Mudra years were the exception as FSU was good before and after. I think FSU "ducked" the SEC in much the same way that UF "ducks" OOC games outside of Florida.
|
|
Full Season 2022 Douche Champion
|
Woah, this is a default personal text! Edit your profile to change this to what you like!
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 17:20:34 GMT -5
In 79, UF was winless. Pell didn't have the studs in place from cheating for that to be the cause of UF starting a 6 game win streak against FSU in 1980. UF 83/84/85 were pretty darn good. 80/81/82 were down a notch compared to 83/84/85. It's true the FSU dynasty started at the time UF's probation started. I'd say Bobby Bowden is being honest about ducking the SEC and lz is right about Bobby Bowden's admission of when UF's probation started and FSU's dynasty began. Besides being good in the late 70s, FSU was pretty good in the 60s under Peterson as well. The Darrell Mudra years were the exception as FSU was good before and after. I think FSU "ducked" the SEC in much the same way that UF "ducks" OOC games outside of Florida.
You're just waiting to remind the nolies that those 78 and 79 great teams lost back to back Orange Bowls to Oklahoma. A dynasty they were not.
|
|