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Post by bamorin on Jun 19, 2015 22:11:14 GMT -5
How come you listed all the colleges Bryant coached, but only one college Woody coached?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 0:02:15 GMT -5
How come you listed all the colleges Bryant coached, but only one college Woody coached? Good question. I thought Woody was a tOSU lifer. I'll find out who Woody coached before tOSU and fix it. I don't want to misrepresent Woody's full coaching record.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 0:28:19 GMT -5
Bam, I added the 2 years at Miami of Ohio to Woody's list, but you'll have to provide Woody's record at Denison University. I'm sure it's on a bucknut site somewhere:
College Football Trivia
Team records (Current FBS Teams) Years 1949-1979 Team list: Ohio St.; Miami (OH) Split Years Coach: Wayne 'Woody' Hayes Showing Actual Game Results Sorting by Year ascending
Pos Year Team Record
1. 1949 Miami (OH) (5-4-0)--0.55556 2. 1950 Miami (OH) (9-1-0)--0.90000 3. 1951 Ohio St. (4-3-2)--0.55556 4. 1952 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 5. 1953 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 6. 1954 Ohio St. (10-0-0)--1.00000 7. 1955 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 8. 1956 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 9. 1957 Ohio St. (9-1-0)--0.90000 10. 1958 Ohio St. (6-1-2)--0.77778 11. 1959 Ohio St. (3-5-1)--0.38889 12. 1960 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 13. 1961 Ohio St. (8-0-1)--0.94444 14. 1962 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 15. 1963 Ohio St. (5-3-1)--0.61111 16. 1964 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 17. 1965 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 18. 1966 Ohio St. (4-5-0)--0.44444 19. 1967 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 20. 1968 Ohio St. (10-0-0)--1.00000 21. 1969 Ohio St. (8-1-0)--0.88889 22. 1970 Ohio St. (9-1-0)--0.90000 23. 1971 Ohio St. (6-4-0)--0.60000 24. 1972 Ohio St. (9-2-0)--0.81818 25. 1973 Ohio St. (10-0-1)--0.95455 26. 1974 Ohio St. (10-2-0)--0.83333 27. 1975 Ohio St. (11-1-0)--0.91667 28. 1976 Ohio St. (9-2-1)--0.79167 29. 1977 Ohio St. (9-3-0)--0.75000 30. 1978 Ohio St. (7-4-1)--0.62500 (219-66-10)--0.75932
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 0:42:22 GMT -5
Guys you missed the point of the article so you can stop slapping me. I listed the article for more evidence to support 1964 as the start of the modern era and to build a record in this thread that I can come back to in the future. Since you want to slap me around considering UF doesn't have a horse in the race of the question of greatness before and after 1964, there's Bear Bryant greatness and then all of the others vying for the 2 spot behind him. Given the records of those coaches mentioned, I don't know how the writer came to his conclusion that the Bear was the only coach to achieve greatness before and after 1964. It seems to me that any coach that went unbeaten or won a national championship in both eras would automatically qualify. The short answer is the writer was likely an Alabama fan. Is the point that we shouldn't take seriously the opinion of a journalist who doesn't fact check? 65% of Nebraska fans. That's convenient. Imagine how shocked those Nebraska fans would be to find out the Nebraska came to power right at the same time. The Oklahoma 1946 cracks me up as well. The official site says 1946 is "the modern era". I've never seen anybody else use 1946 for college football. Works for them. 64 is fine with me for running stats, but I likely won't accept it as the "modern era".
The extra seat at Michigan Stadium will always be a mystery, as Crisler never explained it. It's unlikely that it was for Stagg, as Stagg coached for Chicago, Michigan's rival, so why would he want it. The most common explanation is was for Fielding Yost, and that's the popular one because Yost is kind of a epic figure, however, they say that there was some bad blood between Crisler and Yost, so maybe he wouldn't leave it for Yost. It was probably for Crisler and it probably was a mythical seat. When he did expansion, it was supposed to be 100,000 even, so the plus one would have been 100,000. They found room for an extra 1,000, though. For the record, when platooning in 1945, the stadium was not 101,001 yet. One of the more interesting things of the article was the explanation behind the ending of platoon rules. Like I said, I have an article that said Crisler led the committee that ended the rule and since it was his baby, I always found that odd. That Neyland was a driving force behind that is also interesting. It's easier for me to climb out on that limb than you. Based on what I see with my eyes on the field, 1964 makes a lot of sense. The game film I've watched from the 40s and mid 50s looks like a good brand of high school football today. The game I've watched since the mid 60s and onward is different with the platoon system and specialized players. I knew I should have consulted the official game record for the attendance before adding unnecessary commentary.
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Post by kaz on Jun 20, 2015 1:47:00 GMT -5
Crisler was such innovator in the game of football that UM named their basketball arena after him. LOL, only Michigan... The arena was renamed for Crisler after his 27 year stint as athletic director.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Jun 20, 2015 3:28:15 GMT -5
Bam, I added the 2 years at Miami of Ohio to Woody's list, but you'll have to provide Woody's record at Denison University. I'm sure it's on a bucknut site somewhere: College Football Trivia Team records (Current FBS Teams) Years 1949-1979 Team list: Ohio St.; Miami (OH) Split Years Coach: Wayne 'Woody' Hayes Showing Actual Game Results Sorting by Year ascending Pos Year Team Record 1. 1949 Miami (OH) (5-4-0)--0.55556 2. 1950 Miami (OH) (9-1-0)--0.90000 3. 1951 Ohio St. (4-3-2)--0.55556 4. 1952 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 5. 1953 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 6. 1954 Ohio St. (10-0-0)--1.00000 7. 1955 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 8. 1956 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 9. 1957 Ohio St. (9-1-0)--0.90000 10. 1958 Ohio St. (6-1-2)--0.77778 11. 1959 Ohio St. (3-5-1)--0.38889 12. 1960 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 13. 1961 Ohio St. (8-0-1)--0.94444 14. 1962 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 15. 1963 Ohio St. (5-3-1)--0.61111 16. 1964 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 17. 1965 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 18. 1966 Ohio St. (4-5-0)--0.44444 19. 1967 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 20. 1968 Ohio St. (10-0-0)--1.00000 21. 1969 Ohio St. (8-1-0)--0.88889 22. 1970 Ohio St. (9-1-0)--0.90000 23. 1971 Ohio St. (6-4-0)--0.60000 24. 1972 Ohio St. (9-2-0)--0.81818 25. 1973 Ohio St. (10-0-1)--0.95455 26. 1974 Ohio St. (10-2-0)--0.83333 27. 1975 Ohio St. (11-1-0)--0.91667 28. 1976 Ohio St. (9-2-1)--0.79167 29. 1977 Ohio St. (9-3-0)--0.75000 30. 1978 Ohio St. (7-4-1)--0.62500 (219-66-10)--0.75932 1946 2 6 0 89 136 1947 9 0 0 274 54 1948 8 0 0 277 53 (19 6 0)--0.760 (238-72-10)--0.759375 or 0.74375, depending on which way you want to account for ties) I also found that Denison & Ohio State differ in their historical accountings for their games...In 1891, OSU shows a 28 Nov game in Columbus, with OSU winning 8-4. Dennison shows two games vs OSU that year (no dates) with Denison winning both, 17-3 and 40-8. Hmmm.
I thought it was interesting that since Woody left, they're only on their 5th HC...
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Post by boxedlunch on Jun 20, 2015 9:42:55 GMT -5
Is the point that we shouldn't take seriously the opinion of a journalist who doesn't fact check? 65% of Nebraska fans. That's convenient. Imagine how shocked those Nebraska fans would be to find out the Nebraska came to power right at the same time. The Oklahoma 1946 cracks me up as well. The official site says 1946 is "the modern era". I've never seen anybody else use 1946 for college football. Works for them. 64 is fine with me for running stats, but I likely won't accept it as the "modern era".
The extra seat at Michigan Stadium will always be a mystery, as Crisler never explained it. It's unlikely that it was for Stagg, as Stagg coached for Chicago, Michigan's rival, so why would he want it. The most common explanation is was for Fielding Yost, and that's the popular one because Yost is kind of a epic figure, however, they say that there was some bad blood between Crisler and Yost, so maybe he wouldn't leave it for Yost. It was probably for Crisler and it probably was a mythical seat. When he did expansion, it was supposed to be 100,000 even, so the plus one would have been 100,000. They found room for an extra 1,000, though. For the record, when platooning in 1945, the stadium was not 101,001 yet. One of the more interesting things of the article was the explanation behind the ending of platoon rules. Like I said, I have an article that said Crisler led the committee that ended the rule and since it was his baby, I always found that odd. That Neyland was a driving force behind that is also interesting. It's easier for me to climb out on that limb than you. Based on what I see with my eyes on the field, 1964 makes a lot of sense. The game film I've watched from the 40s and mid 50s looks like a good brand of high school football today. The game I've watched since the mid 60s and onward is different with the platoon system and specialized players. I knew I should have consulted the official game record for the attendance before adding unnecessary commentary. Actually, in the article, it points out that Crisler expanded the stadium as AD. Since he was coach in 1945, logic dictates that the stadium was not that large.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 10:11:26 GMT -5
It's easier for me to climb out on that limb than you. Based on what I see with my eyes on the field, 1964 makes a lot of sense. The game film I've watched from the 40s and mid 50s looks like a good brand of high school football today. The game I've watched since the mid 60s and onward is different with the platoon system and specialized players. I knew I should have consulted the official game record for the attendance before adding unnecessary commentary. Actually, in the article, it points out that Crisler expanded the stadium as AD. Since he was coach in 1945, logic dictates that the stadium was not that large. Thanks a bunch! That's a hanging curve ball for all of my well wishers.
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Post by boxedlunch on Jun 20, 2015 20:14:43 GMT -5
Bam, I added the 2 years at Miami of Ohio to Woody's list, but you'll have to provide Woody's record at Denison University. I'm sure it's on a bucknut site somewhere: College Football Trivia Team records (Current FBS Teams) Years 1949-1979 Team list: Ohio St.; Miami (OH) Split Years Coach: Wayne 'Woody' Hayes Showing Actual Game Results Sorting by Year ascending Pos Year Team Record 1. 1949 Miami (OH) (5-4-0)--0.55556 2. 1950 Miami (OH) (9-1-0)--0.90000 3. 1951 Ohio St. (4-3-2)--0.55556 4. 1952 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 5. 1953 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 6. 1954 Ohio St. (10-0-0)--1.00000 7. 1955 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 8. 1956 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 9. 1957 Ohio St. (9-1-0)--0.90000 10. 1958 Ohio St. (6-1-2)--0.77778 11. 1959 Ohio St. (3-5-1)--0.38889 12. 1960 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 13. 1961 Ohio St. (8-0-1)--0.94444 14. 1962 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 15. 1963 Ohio St. (5-3-1)--0.61111 16. 1964 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 17. 1965 Ohio St. (7-2-0)--0.77778 18. 1966 Ohio St. (4-5-0)--0.44444 19. 1967 Ohio St. (6-3-0)--0.66667 20. 1968 Ohio St. (10-0-0)--1.00000 21. 1969 Ohio St. (8-1-0)--0.88889 22. 1970 Ohio St. (9-1-0)--0.90000 23. 1971 Ohio St. (6-4-0)--0.60000 24. 1972 Ohio St. (9-2-0)--0.81818 25. 1973 Ohio St. (10-0-1)--0.95455 26. 1974 Ohio St. (10-2-0)--0.83333 27. 1975 Ohio St. (11-1-0)--0.91667 28. 1976 Ohio St. (9-2-1)--0.79167 29. 1977 Ohio St. (9-3-0)--0.75000 30. 1978 Ohio St. (7-4-1)--0.62500 (219-66-10)--0.75932 Don't just pick "current FBS teams" to get Denison. link
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 22:48:45 GMT -5
Thanks, I should have known that.
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Post by boxedlunch on Jun 20, 2015 23:47:58 GMT -5
Thanks, I should have known that. If you pick a conference, it automatically wipes out that option. If I can find a common sense way to determine that for coaches, I ought to do the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 9:02:44 GMT -5
Thanks, I should have known that. If you pick a conference, it automatically wipes out that option. If I can find a common sense way to determine that for coaches, I ought to do the same thing. I agree that it would be nice to get a coaches full record without having to remember to prompt for any particular classification, but what you have is workable. I just didn't use the system to its fullest. The other thing is I thought Woody Hayes was a tOSU lifer. Looking back, I wasn't "logical" to have thought that tOSU would allow a coach without previous HC experience to take command of their football program. Only UF does that, twice with Ron Zook and Will Muschamp.
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Post by bamorin on Jun 21, 2015 12:26:39 GMT -5
If you pick a conference, it automatically wipes out that option. If I can find a common sense way to determine that for coaches, I ought to do the same thing. I agree that it would be nice to get a coaches full record without having to remember to prompt for any particular classification, but what you have is workable. I just didn't use the system to its fullest. The other thing is I thought Woody Hayes was a tOSU lifer. Looking back, I wasn't "logical" to have thought that tOSU would allow a coach without previous HC experience to take command of their football program. Only UF does that, twice with Ron Zook and Will Muschamp. Ron Zook's team, though has something to show for it.......that inexperience allowed him not to "choke-in-the-doak". No one explained he wasn't allowed to win there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 15:53:39 GMT -5
I agree that it would be nice to get a coaches full record without having to remember to prompt for any particular classification, but what you have is workable. I just didn't use the system to its fullest. The other thing is I thought Woody Hayes was a tOSU lifer. Looking back, I wasn't "logical" to have thought that tOSU would allow a coach without previous HC experience to take command of their football program. Only UF does that, twice with Ron Zook and Will Muschamp. Ron Zook's team, though has something to show for it.......that inexperience allowed him not to "choke-in-the-doak". No one explained he wasn't allowed to win there. Ron Zook: 1. Won in Tallahassee when Steve Spurrier couldn't. Since he won the weekend they named the field for Bobby Bowden, Gators call it Ron Zook Field. 2. In 2002, Zook put Georgia's only loss on them. At the end of October before the Cocktail Party, Georgia was undefeated and ranked higher than Ohio State. You can figure out the significance of that UF win over UGALY. 3. In 2003, UF went to Red Stick and beat LSU 19-7. LSU went on to win the 2003 BCSNC and UF was the only team to beat them. 4. Left the shelves stocked in 2005 with good players for Urban Meyer. Meyer won the 2006 national championship riding players recruited by Zook. Ron Zook had his moments. I almost hated to see him go.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Jun 21, 2015 16:07:56 GMT -5
Ron Zook's team, though has something to show for it.......that inexperience allowed him not to "choke-in-the-doak". No one explained he wasn't allowed to win there. Ron Zook: 1. Won in Tallahassee when Steve Spurrier couldn't. Since he won the weekend they named the field for Bobby Bowden, Gators call it Ron Zook Field. 2. In 2002, Zook put Georgia's only loss on them. At the end of October before the Cocktail Party, Georgia was undefeated and ranked higher than Ohio State. You can figure out the significance of that UF win over UGALY. 3. In 2003, UF went to Red Stick and beat LSU 19-7. LSU went on to win the 2003 BCSNC and UF was the only team to beat them. 4. Left the shelves stocked in 2005 with good players for Urban Meyer. Meyer won the 2006 national championship riding players recruited by Zook. Ron Zook had his moments. I almost hated to see him go. Well of course...y'all should have let him grow into the position, he too is from Ohio.
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