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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 15:29:10 GMT -5
I felt this deserved a thread of its own. It gives reinforcement to my view that 1964 marks the start of the modern era, the permanent return of unlimited substitution along with 2 platoon football. This is a great article originally published in Sports Illustrated on February 3, 1964: www.si.com/vault/1964/02/03/607928/the-man-who-changed-football The Man Who Changed Football The return of the two-platoon game pleased Fritz Crisler of Michigan, who invented it. Now he has more changes in mind for a college sport he has influenced profoundly
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Jun 18, 2015 15:54:07 GMT -5
I felt this deserved a thread of its own. It gives reinforcement to my view that 1964 marks the start of the modern era, the permanent return of unlimited substitution along with 2 platoon football. This is a great article originally published in Sports Illustrated on February 3, 1964: www.si.com/vault/1964/02/03/607928/the-man-who-changed-football The Man Who Changed Football The return of the two-platoon game pleased Fritz Crisler of Michigan, who invented it. Now he has more changes in mind for a college sport he has influenced profoundly ...and using a MissedAgain man to back you up will surely gain you support from all the Buckeyes on board...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 20:56:46 GMT -5
I felt this deserved a thread of its own. It gives reinforcement to my view that 1964 marks the start of the modern era, the permanent return of unlimited substitution along with 2 platoon football. This is a great article originally published in Sports Illustrated on February 3, 1964: www.si.com/vault/1964/02/03/607928/the-man-who-changed-football The Man Who Changed Football The return of the two-platoon game pleased Fritz Crisler of Michigan, who invented it. Now he has more changes in mind for a college sport he has influenced profoundly ...and using a MissedAgain man to back you up will surely gain you support from all the Buckeyes on board... The story was just too good to pass up. The fact that it was a Meatchicken man that did all of those good things for college football is irrelevant to me, but good to know. The story helps shine light on the fact that two platoon football and unlimited substitution was NCAA approved very early in 1964 and not in 1965 as the NCAA record book claims. Kaz is sure to like the story when/if he gets around to reading it.
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Post by boxedlunch on Jun 18, 2015 21:47:26 GMT -5
Interesting read (I like the part about the bugler). I have articles of when Crisler was on the rules committee and ended the platooning and also crediting him with the 2 point conversion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 10:07:25 GMT -5
Interesting read (I like the part about the bugler). I have articles of when Crisler was on the rules committee and ended the platooning and also crediting him with the 2 point conversion. There is so much fascinating information in this one article that it ought to be required reading by everyone on this board: 1. Establishes the father/inventor of the 2 platoon system, Fritz Crisler of Michigan. 2. Two platoons came about by necessity from concern of player safety combined with not wanting to be embarrassed at home in front of 101,001 fans. In 1945, Army was a powerhouse in terms of mature quality players compared to Michigan's boys. Crisler made the game competitive with a 28-7 loss by platooning his offensive and defensive lines along with his linebackers. Without the platooning, the game would have been a rout. 3. Unlimited substitution that accidentally allowed 2 platoon football came about after 1941 during WWII due to lack of depth with so many players in service to the country. 4. By 1948, most teams had followed Michigan's lead and were playing 2 platoon football. 5. By the end of the 1952 season, 50 programs had ceased football operations as they couldn't keep up with the successful programs due to the increased scholarship players needed to play 2 platoon football. 6. General Bob Neyland of Tennessee was the leader of the opposition after the 1952 season that got unlimited substitution and 2 platoon football banned for 11 years, 1953-1963. 7. The 1964 NCAA rules committee lifted the ban on unlimited substitution and 2 platoon football. 8. Linemen in the mid to late 40s were less than 200 lbs. That confirms what I posted in the longest winning streaks ended thread that the biggest lineman UK had in its 1950 upset of OU was 208 lbs. Crisler pointed out that linemen by the end of 1962 were 230 lbs. The upward trend of bigger, stronger, and faster that has continued to this day started before the return of unlimited substitution and 2 platoon football. 9. Crisler talked about concerns of hits to the head and neck area, spearing, better helmets, and concerns with facemasks being used in tackles. Starting with rules changes in 1964 and studies for equipment improvements, college football has addressed or continues to address Crisler's concerns. 10. To say Fritz Crisler is a giant casting a long shadow on college football is an understatement. It's amazing how so few people know about the impact he made on the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 12:12:11 GMT -5
Nebraska fans participating in a poll pegged by a majority vote at 65% the modern era to two platoon football: www.cornnation.com/2012/8/29/3277192/just-what-is-the-modern-era-of-college-footballIt's funny that the writer speculates that Oklahoma only wants the modern era to start at 1946 so they can pick up their national championships in the 1950s. Insofar as Oklahoma is concerned, I searched from 1936 and found why Harry championed that date. Oklahoma is #1 in wins since 1936. Using the AP poll is just a ruse to get the wins data where he wants it. The writer using 1960 to matchup with Bob Devaney's arrival at UNL and to have an even decade is homey.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 13:01:37 GMT -5
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Post by beuycek on Jun 19, 2015 13:08:56 GMT -5
Crisler was such innovator in the game of football that UM named their basketball arena after him. LOL, only Michigan...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 13:23:23 GMT -5
Crisler was such innovator in the game of football that UM named their basketball arena after him. LOL, only Michigan... The football stadium should be named after him too as he managed two expansions that brought the stadium to its 101,001 seating capacity from what was an upper 70s capacity stadium. I like the reporter speculating that the last seat is reserved for Amos Alonzo Stagg and it's not sold to the public.
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Post by mscott59 on Jun 19, 2015 13:55:58 GMT -5
wrong. i'd put woody on that list too. he had #1 finishes before and after your '64 demarcation line, and was a play or two away from winning a couple more in the 70s. john mckay at usc also won titles before/after '64.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Jun 19, 2015 14:01:36 GMT -5
wrong. i'd put woody on that list too. he had #1 finishes before and after your '64 demarcation line, and was a play or two away from winning a couple more in the 70s. john mckay at usc also won titles before/after '64. Thanks...I'm glad I read on down the board instead of responding as I usually do. The boy's been slapped around a bit this morning already...I'd hate to have to feel bad if he became suicidal...
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Post by bamorin on Jun 19, 2015 14:09:02 GMT -5
john mckay at usc also won titles before/after '64. And John McKay was responsible for bringing alabama into modern era football. Well, at least Sam Cunningham convinced 'em they oughta become "modern"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 15:41:37 GMT -5
Guys you missed the point of the article so you can stop slapping me. I listed the article for more evidence to support 1964 as the start of the modern era and to build a record in this thread that I can come back to in the future. Since you want to slap me around considering UF doesn't have a horse in the race of the question of greatness before and after 1964, there's Bear Bryant greatness and then all of the others vying for the 2 spot behind him. Given the records of those coaches mentioned, I don't know how the writer came to his conclusion that the Bear was the only coach to achieve greatness before and after 1964. It seems to me that any coach that went unbeaten or won a national championship in both eras would automatically qualify. The short answer is the writer was likely an Alabama fan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 17:01:40 GMT -5
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Post by boxedlunch on Jun 19, 2015 20:21:53 GMT -5
Guys you missed the point of the article so you can stop slapping me. I listed the article for more evidence to support 1964 as the start of the modern era and to build a record in this thread that I can come back to in the future. Since you want to slap me around considering UF doesn't have a horse in the race of the question of greatness before and after 1964, there's Bear Bryant greatness and then all of the others vying for the 2 spot behind him. Given the records of those coaches mentioned, I don't know how the writer came to his conclusion that the Bear was the only coach to achieve greatness before and after 1964. It seems to me that any coach that went unbeaten or won a national championship in both eras would automatically qualify. The short answer is the writer was likely an Alabama fan. Is the point that we shouldn't take seriously the opinion of a journalist who doesn't fact check? 65% of Nebraska fans. That's convenient. Imagine how shocked those Nebraska fans would be to find out the Nebraska came to power right at the same time. The Oklahoma 1946 cracks me up as well. The official site says 1946 is "the modern era". I've never seen anybody else use 1946 for college football. Works for them. 64 is fine with me for running stats, but I likely won't accept it as the "modern era". The extra seat at Michigan Stadium will always be a mystery, as Crisler never explained it. It's unlikely that it was for Stagg, as Stagg coached for Chicago, Michigan's rival, so why would he want it. The most common explanation is was for Fielding Yost, and that's the popular one because Yost is kind of a epic figure, however, they say that there was some bad blood between Crisler and Yost, so maybe he wouldn't leave it for Yost. It was probably for Crisler and it probably was a mythical seat. When he did expansion, it was supposed to be 100,000 even, so the plus one would have been 100,000. They found room for an extra 1,000, though. For the record, when platooning in 1945, the stadium was not 101,001 yet. One of the more interesting things of the article was the explanation behind the ending of platoon rules. Like I said, I have an article that said Crisler led the committee that ended the rule and since it was his baby, I always found that odd. That Neyland was a driving force behind that is also interesting.
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