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Post by bamorin on Jun 21, 2015 17:01:04 GMT -5
Ron Zook: 1. Won in Tallahassee when Steve Spurrier couldn't. Since he won the weekend they named the field for Bobby Bowden, Gators call it Ron Zook Field. 2. In 2002, Zook put Georgia's only loss on them. At the end of October before the Cocktail Party, Georgia was undefeated and ranked higher than Ohio State. You can figure out the significance of that UF win over UGALY. 3. In 2003, UF went to Red Stick and beat LSU 19-7. LSU went on to win the 2003 BCSNC and UF was the only team to beat them. 4. Left the shelves stocked in 2005 with good players for Urban Meyer. Meyer won the 2006 national championship riding players recruited by Zook. Ron Zook had his moments. I almost hated to see him go. Well of course...y'all should have let him grow into the position, he too is from Ohio. He didn't wear a visor, and make a dozen different stupid faces every play.....therefore he was a lousy coach. Visor boy wins every game at USCe just like he did at flarda. No others are worthy to stand in his shadow.
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Post by beuycek on Jun 22, 2015 5:59:01 GMT -5
Ron Zook's team, though has something to show for it.......that inexperience allowed him not to "choke-in-the-doak". No one explained he wasn't allowed to win there. Ron Zook: 1. Won in Tallahassee when Steve Spurrier couldn't. Since he won the weekend they named the field for Bobby Bowden, Gators call it Ron Zook Field. 2. In 2002, Zook put Georgia's only loss on them. At the end of October before the Cocktail Party, Georgia was undefeated and ranked higher than Ohio State. You can figure out the significance of that UF win over UGALY. 3. In 2003, UF went to Red Stick and beat LSU 19-7. LSU went on to win the 2003 BCSNC and UF was the only team to beat them. 4. Left the shelves stocked in 2005 with good players for Urban Meyer. Meyer won the 2006 national championship riding players recruited by Zook. Ron Zook had his moments. I almost hated to see him go. 2002 was UF just returning the favor for 1996.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 8:24:24 GMT -5
Ron Zook: 1. Won in Tallahassee when Steve Spurrier couldn't. Since he won the weekend they named the field for Bobby Bowden, Gators call it Ron Zook Field. 2. In 2002, Zook put Georgia's only loss on them. At the end of October before the Cocktail Party, Georgia was undefeated and ranked higher than Ohio State. You can figure out the significance of that UF win over UGALY. 3. In 2003, UF went to Red Stick and beat LSU 19-7. LSU went on to win the 2003 BCSNC and UF was the only team to beat them. 4. Left the shelves stocked in 2005 with good players for Urban Meyer. Meyer won the 2006 national championship riding players recruited by Zook. Ron Zook had his moments. I almost hated to see him go. 2002 was UF just returning the favor for 1996. If the bucknuts had beaten ASU 52-20 or equivalent, we probably would have had a split national championship for 1996. I think the college football world would have been okay with that had the bucknuts won in a blowout, but it would have made it darn near impossible to fire John Cooper later. UF still owes Texas a favor for knocking off Nebraska in 1996 too. UF also owes UCLA a favor for beating USC in 2006. It would have been bucknuts vs. trojans without that win. A 6-5 bruin team knocked the trojans out of the national championship picture with a 13-9 home win. Michigan lobbied for the 2 spot over UF, but they lost their last game to tOSU in mid-November while UF closed with a win over FSU and a win in the SECCG over Arkansas.
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Post by beuycek on Jun 22, 2015 9:03:44 GMT -5
2002 was UF just returning the favor for 1996. If the bucknuts had beaten ASU 52-20 or equivalent, we probably would have had a split national championship for 1996. I think the college football world would have been okay with that had the bucknuts won in a blowout, but it would have made it darn near impossible to fire John Cooper later. UF still owes Texas a favor for knocking off Nebraska in 1996 too. UF also owes UCLA a favor for beating USC in 2006. It would have been bucknuts vs. trojans without that win. A 6-5 bruin team knocked the trojans out of the national championship picture with a 13-9 home win. Michigan lobbied for the 2 spot over UF, but they lost their last game to tOSU in mid-November while UF closed with a win over FSU and a win in the SECCG over Arkansas. Cooper bought himself a little time with that win, no doubt. Had he won a share of the NC, I agree that he would have probably stuck around longer than he did. A blessing in disguise given what we achieved under Tressel. It is pretty crazy to look back at all of the dominoes that fell in '96 to give the Gators their title. I still don't like them getting another shot at FSU after losing to them (or Bama getting another shot at LSU or Michigan getting another shot at us had it happened in '06) but I understand how it happened. Another crazy year was '07 when neither LSU nor OSU had a prayer of getting in the NCG. Then the unthinkable happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 9:21:31 GMT -5
If the bucknuts had beaten ASU 52-20 or equivalent, we probably would have had a split national championship for 1996. I think the college football world would have been okay with that had the bucknuts won in a blowout, but it would have made it darn near impossible to fire John Cooper later. UF still owes Texas a favor for knocking off Nebraska in 1996 too. UF also owes UCLA a favor for beating USC in 2006. It would have been bucknuts vs. trojans without that win. A 6-5 bruin team knocked the trojans out of the national championship picture with a 13-9 home win. Michigan lobbied for the 2 spot over UF, but they lost their last game to tOSU in mid-November while UF closed with a win over FSU and a win in the SECCG over Arkansas. Cooper bought himself a little time with that win, no doubt. Had he won a share of the NC, I agree that he would have probably stuck around longer than he did. A blessing in disguise given what we achieved under Tressel. It is pretty crazy to look back at all of the dominoes that fell in '96 to give the Gators their title. I still don't like them getting another shot at FSU after losing to them (or Bama getting another shot at LSU or Michigan getting another shot at us had it happened in '06) but I understand how it happened. Another crazy year was '07 when neither LSU nor OSU had a prayer of getting in the NCG. Then the unthinkable happened. As Steve Spurrier said, "God smiled on the Gators." Texas really mucked it up for Nebraska in 1996: 1993: Lost what was the national championship game to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. 1994: National Champion 1995: National Champion 1996: Would have been the national champions after the bowls had the husker won the CCG over Texas 1997: National Championship shared with Michigan Two losses in 5 years, Florida State and Texas, stood in the way of 5 straight national championships. The husker 3rd loss in that 5 year span, at Arizona State in 1996, ultimately wouldn't have mattered had the huskers done their job against Texas in the CCG.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 9:27:26 GMT -5
This little ditty on the AP poll:
Modern Era of the AP Poll
Based on three factors -- preseason poll, number of voters, and number of teams ranked -- 1968 could be considered the start of the 'modern' era of the AP Poll.
The first preseason poll was in 1950. Although its usefulness or accuracy is often questioned, it does allow for a more complete view of a team's rise or fall during a given season.
Prior to 1960, voting was open to any TV, radio, or newspaper sports editor. The average number of voters per poll was 158 and varied greatly with as many as 409 for one poll in 1954. Panel voting began in 1960, where a set number of football experts from around the country were selected before each season.
From 1936 to 1960, there were 20 teams ranked in the poll. That changed from 1961 to 1967 where all but one poll had just 10 teams. This affected the ability to appear in the poll and continue appearance streaks compared to previous seasons. In 1968 the poll went back to 20 teams, and then to 25 in 1989.
Considering these factors, the years since 1968 have been the most complete and consistent for the AP Poll since its inception.
For me, I'm sticking with 1964 with the permanent return of 2 platoon football and unlimited substitution, but here someone is making the argument for 1968 based on AP poll changes. At least 1964 and 1968 are in the same ballpark.
I go back to my original question to Harry, how did the AP changes affect the play on the field? To me, it's like the NCAA wanting to use 1937 when they took control of official records keeping. Neither affected how the games were played on the field.
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Post by mscott59 on Jun 22, 2015 9:40:43 GMT -5
2002 was UF just returning the favor for 1996. If the bucknuts had beaten ASU 52-20 or equivalent, we probably would have had a split national championship for 1996. I think the college football world would have been okay with that had the bucknuts won in a blowout, but it would have made it darn near impossible to fire John Cooper later. UF still owes Texas a favor for knocking off Nebraska in 1996 too. UF also owes UCLA a favor for beating USC in 2006. It would have been bucknuts vs. trojans without that win. A 6-5 bruin team knocked the trojans out of the national championship picture with a 13-9 home win. Michigan lobbied for the 2 spot over UF, but they lost their last game to tOSU in mid-November while UF closed with a win over FSU and a win in the SECCG over Arkansas. that texas win over unl included one gutsy 4th down pass play to the te that had me jumping off my barseat to clinch the upset. there's been plenty of late season drama that's altered the #1 race down thru the years, that's for sure.
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Post by bamorin on Jun 22, 2015 9:57:37 GMT -5
Cooper bought himself a little time with that win, no doubt. Had he won a share of the NC, I agree that he would have probably stuck around longer than he did. A blessing in disguise given what we achieved under Tressel. It is pretty crazy to look back at all of the dominoes that fell in '96 to give the Gators their title. I still don't like them getting another shot at FSU after losing to them (or Bama getting another shot at LSU or Michigan getting another shot at us had it happened in '06) but I understand how it happened. Another crazy year was '07 when neither LSU nor OSU had a prayer of getting in the NCG. Then the unthinkable happened. As Steve Spurrier said, "God smiled on the Gators." Texas really mucked it up for Nebraska in 1996: 1993: Lost what was the national championship game to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. 1994: National Champion 1995: National Champion 1996: Would have been the national champions after the bowls except for the CCG loss to Texas
1997: National Championship shared with Michigan Two losses in 5 years, Florida State and Texas, stood in the way of 5 straight national championships. Missed one here........1996 ASU blanked Nebraska at Nebraska 19-0. That pushed ASU to #2 behind FSU
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Post by mscott59 on Jun 22, 2015 10:09:51 GMT -5
As Steve Spurrier said, "God smiled on the Gators." Texas really mucked it up for Nebraska in 1996: 1993: Lost what was the national championship game to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. 1994: National Champion 1995: National Champion 1996: Would have been the national champions after the bowls except for the CCG loss to Texas
1997: National Championship shared with Michigan Two losses in 5 years, Florida State and Texas, stood in the way of 5 straight national championships. Missed one here........1996 ASU blanked Nebraska at Nebraska 19-0. That pushed ASU to #2 behind FSU i remember that '96 arizona state win. the previous year, the huskers stomped asu 77-28, unl threw a 35 or 40 yd td pass w/about 0:30 left in the game for the final td, and you could tell that didn't sit well with the sun devils players/coaches. that win spring-boarded asu to an undefeated regular season... and they would have been national champs that year if not for joe germaine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 10:11:07 GMT -5
As Steve Spurrier said, "God smiled on the Gators." Texas really mucked it up for Nebraska in 1996: 1993: Lost what was the national championship game to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. 1994: National Champion 1995: National Champion 1996: Would have been the national champions after the bowls except for the CCG loss to Texas
1997: National Championship shared with Michigan Two losses in 5 years, Florida State and Texas, stood in the way of 5 straight national championships. Missed one here........1996 ASU blanked Nebraska at Nebraska 19-0. That pushed ASU to #2 behind FSU I amended my statement above to explain while you were posting: Two losses in 5 years, Florida State and Texas, stood in the way of 5 straight national championships. The husker 3rd loss in that 5 year span, at Arizona State in 1996, ultimately wouldn't have mattered had the huskers done their job against Texas in the CCG. Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/16413/modern-era-1964?page=3#ixzz3dnuw9cisUNL was sitting in 3rd in the polls behind FSU and ASU and ahead of UF before the CCGs. That loss at ASU wouldn't have mattered as I don't believe the pollsters would have elevated UF above UNL under any circumstances so long as UNL would have beaten Texas. The huskers were 60-3 for that 5 year period.
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Post by bamorin on Jun 22, 2015 12:36:40 GMT -5
Missed one here........1996 ASU blanked Nebraska at Nebraska 19-0. That pushed ASU to #2 behind FSU I amended my statement above to explain while you were posting: Two losses in 5 years, Florida State and Texas, stood in the way of 5 straight national championships. The husker 3rd loss in that 5 year span, at Arizona State in 1996, ultimately wouldn't have mattered had the huskers done their job against Texas in the CCG. Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/16413/modern-era-1964?page=3#ixzz3dnuw9cisUNL was sitting in 3rd in the polls behind FSU and ASU and ahead of UF before the CCGs. That loss at ASU wouldn't have mattered as I don't believe the pollsters would have elevated UF above UNL under any circumstances so long as UNL would have beaten Texas. The huskers were 60-3 for that 5 year period. and who wins 1996 if FSU and ASU both win their respective bowls? Hint, Nebraska ain't one of 'em
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Post by oujour76 on Jun 22, 2015 12:49:44 GMT -5
and who wins 1996 if FSU and ASU both win their respective bowls? Hint, Nebraska ain't one of 'em [/quote] Split would have been justified, but my guess is FSU would have won both polls.
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Post by bamorin on Jun 22, 2015 12:57:03 GMT -5
and who wins 1996 if FSU and ASU both win their respective bowls? Hint, Nebraska ain't one of 'em Split would have been justified, but my guess is FSU would have won both polls.
[/quote] Yep, FSU would have won it........however, FSU's best win would have been against one final 12-2 team, where as ASU would have had 1 12-2 team and 1 11-2 team
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Jun 22, 2015 13:20:59 GMT -5
and who wins 1996 if FSU and ASU both win their respective bowls? Hint, Nebraska ain't one of 'em Split would have been justified, but my guess is FSU would have won both polls.
Yep, FSU would have won it........however, FSU's best win would have been against one final 12-2 team, where as ASU would have had 1 12-2 team and 1 11-2 team[/quote] Well, not quite. FSU would have 2 wins against UF....so 2 wins over a final 12-2 team, and a win over a 10-2 team in North Carolina, who finished the year at #10.
FSU also beat 9-3 Miami 34-16 at Miami, and ASU beat 9-3 Washington, 45-42 at home. Neither team had a win over another ranked team.
ASU played 5 teams who played in bowls that year:
Ohio State, Nebraska, Washington, Cal, and Stanford. 3 were at home. Ohio State was a neutral site, and Stanford was on the road.
FSU played 5 teams who played in bowls:
Florida (2), Miami, Virginia, North Carolina, and Clemson. 4 were at home. UF was home and neutral site, and Miami was on the road.
The stats are fairly comparable, but I think FSU would get the nod justifiably with 3 top 10 wins....I wouldn't quibble with a split title though.
It is academic anyway, as UF got the mulligan and ASU shit the bed, putting the discussion to rest on both counts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 13:34:38 GMT -5
I amended my statement above to explain while you were posting: Two losses in 5 years, Florida State and Texas, stood in the way of 5 straight national championships. The husker 3rd loss in that 5 year span, at Arizona State in 1996, ultimately wouldn't have mattered had the huskers done their job against Texas in the CCG. Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/16413/modern-era-1964?page=3#ixzz3dnuw9cisUNL was sitting in 3rd in the polls behind FSU and ASU and ahead of UF before the CCGs. That loss at ASU wouldn't have mattered as I don't believe the pollsters would have elevated UF above UNL under any circumstances so long as UNL would have beaten Texas. The huskers were 60-3 for that 5 year period. and who wins 1996 if FSU and ASU both win their respective bowls? Hint, Nebraska ain't one of 'em I don't know, but had UNL beaten UTex, bucknut nation would have been upset with the polls and if there had been a 4 team playoff in 1996: 1 Florida State vs. 4 Florida 2 Arizona State vs. 3 Nebraska Both tOSU and unbeaten Brigham Young would have been on the outside looking in. The two rematches with the winners playing for the playoff national championship would have caused much consternation nationwide, but those would have been the top 4 teams after the CCGs.
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