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Post by snap infraction on Nov 14, 2016 9:29:38 GMT -5
in a year where the cubs won the world series, cleveland won a sports championship and donald trump won the presidency, it shouldn't shock us that there is a strong possibility that penn state plays wisconsin in the conference title game. wisconsin should be a 7 pt favorite in that game. psu has a really beat up, depleted offensive line right now due to injuries. but psu's defense is good enough to keep us in the game.
i think the winner of ohio state/michigan gets in even with a wisconsin vs. penn state conference title game. just a hunch that the committee learned from last year where ohio state was likely better than oklahoma and michigan state.
since the ohio state/michigan game will be at 12pm, the psu/michigan state game will be on at 3:30. so psu will know in advance how meaningful the michigan state game will be. if ohio state does beat all the michigan schools, i assume lots of eyeballs will be watching the penn state game.
hoping ohio state stops michigan states sudden momentum. don't need a revitalized michigan state team coming into beaver stadium. they need to know their season is over and look forward to the draft/offseason. take care of yourself malik mcdowell!! you are about to be drafted, no need to go all out in a meaningless game.
the jabril peppers hype leading into the iowa game was ridiculous. he is getting into the aaron craft level of over hyping. i think once he settles in on a position and can adjust his body to that position, he'll be great. but his versatility makes him really good at multiple positions but not great at one. would still love to have him.
michigan shouldn't sleep on indiana. they are as every bit as physical as iowa. they just shoot themselves in the foot all the time with non forced turnovers. and their qb richard lagaw has a legit NFL arm. he was making throws that made my jaw drop. he is much better than cj beatheard.
if psu does win the conference somehow, i would not be completely upset if they are not chosen by the cfb committee. that alabama front 7 scares the living hell out of me. we don't need to hear how overrated we are non stop all off season. rose bowl would be just fine with me. hell, capital one bowl would still be awesome.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 14, 2016 10:38:06 GMT -5
in a year where the cubs won the world series, cleveland won a sports championship and donald trump won the presidency, it shouldn't shock us that there is a strong possibility that penn state plays wisconsin in the conference title game. wisconsin should be a 7 pt favorite in that game. psu has a really beat up, depleted offensive line right now due to injuries. but psu's defense is good enough to keep us in the game. i think the winner of ohio state/michigan gets in even with a wisconsin vs. penn state conference title game. just a hunch that the committee learned from last year where ohio state was likely better than oklahoma and michigan state. since the ohio state/michigan game will be at 12pm, the psu/michigan state game will be on at 3:30. so psu will know in advance how meaningful the michigan state game will be. if ohio state does beat all the michigan schools, i assume lots of eyeballs will be watching the penn state game. hoping ohio state stops michigan states sudden momentum. don't need a revitalized michigan state team coming into beaver stadium. they need to know their season is over and look forward to the draft/offseason. take care of yourself malik mcdowell!! you are about to be drafted, no need to go all out in a meaningless game. the jabril peppers hype leading into the iowa game was ridiculous. he is getting into the aaron craft level of over hyping. i think once he settles in on a position and can adjust his body to that position, he'll be great. but his versatility makes him really good at multiple positions but not great at one. would still love to have him. michigan shouldn't sleep on indiana. they are as every bit as physical as iowa. they just shoot themselves in the foot all the time with non forced turnovers. and their qb richard lagaw has a legit NFL arm. he was making throws that made my jaw drop. he is much better than cj beatheard. if psu does win the conference somehow, i would not be completely upset if they are not chosen by the cfb committee. that alabama front 7 scares the living hell out of me. we don't need to hear how overrated we are non stop all off season. rose bowl would be just fine with me. hell, capital one bowl would still be awesome. this issue has dominated the sports talk shows this am. remember that if um beats osu, that would knock out psu for the ccg (provided the wolverines beat iu, which i think they will). if osu wins, and psu wins out, i think most nitt fans would not be as magnanimous as you are in this post, should psu get picked over for the playoff despite winning the big 10. still games to be played so many more possibilities out there, but i think the committee has a real quandry if osu wins out yet misses the big 10 title game. and in that scenario, if osu gets the playoff nod, the committee is going to get tons and tons of heat.
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 14, 2016 11:01:13 GMT -5
in a year where the cubs won the world series, cleveland won a sports championship and donald trump won the presidency, it shouldn't shock us that there is a strong possibility that penn state plays wisconsin in the conference title game. wisconsin should be a 7 pt favorite in that game. psu has a really beat up, depleted offensive line right now due to injuries. but psu's defense is good enough to keep us in the game. i think the winner of ohio state/michigan gets in even with a wisconsin vs. penn state conference title game. just a hunch that the committee learned from last year where ohio state was likely better than oklahoma and michigan state. since the ohio state/michigan game will be at 12pm, the psu/michigan state game will be on at 3:30. so psu will know in advance how meaningful the michigan state game will be. if ohio state does beat all the michigan schools, i assume lots of eyeballs will be watching the penn state game. hoping ohio state stops michigan states sudden momentum. don't need a revitalized michigan state team coming into beaver stadium. they need to know their season is over and look forward to the draft/offseason. take care of yourself malik mcdowell!! you are about to be drafted, no need to go all out in a meaningless game. the jabril peppers hype leading into the iowa game was ridiculous. he is getting into the aaron craft level of over hyping. i think once he settles in on a position and can adjust his body to that position, he'll be great. but his versatility makes him really good at multiple positions but not great at one. would still love to have him. michigan shouldn't sleep on indiana. they are as every bit as physical as iowa. they just shoot themselves in the foot all the time with non forced turnovers. and their qb richard lagaw has a legit NFL arm. he was making throws that made my jaw drop. he is much better than cj beatheard. if psu does win the conference somehow, i would not be completely upset if they are not chosen by the cfb committee. that alabama front 7 scares the living hell out of me. we don't need to hear how overrated we are non stop all off season. rose bowl would be just fine with me. hell, capital one bowl would still be awesome. this issue has dominated the sports talk shows this am. remember that if um beats osu, that would knock out psu for the ccg (provided the wolverines beat iu, which i think they will). if osu wins, and psu wins out, i think most nitt fans would not be as magnanimous as you are in this post, should psu get picked over for the playoff despite winning the big 10. still games to be played so many more possibilities out there, but i think the committee has a real quandry if osu wins out yet misses the big 10 title game. and in that scenario, if osu gets the playoff nod, the committee is going to get tons and tons of heat. eh. i think you'd be surprised how psu fans would react. most thought we'd win 6-7 games. but if they win 10 games and play in a big time new years bowl, psu fans would be thrilled. it's all about expectations. i'd rather have psu play a good team in a competitive bowl game than have the nation cry who 9 months about how penn state was overrated and didn't belong after losing to alabama by 50.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 14, 2016 11:07:45 GMT -5
this issue has dominated the sports talk shows this am. remember that if um beats osu, that would knock out psu for the ccg (provided the wolverines beat iu, which i think they will). if osu wins, and psu wins out, i think most nitt fans would not be as magnanimous as you are in this post, should psu get picked over for the playoff despite winning the big 10. still games to be played so many more possibilities out there, but i think the committee has a real quandry if osu wins out yet misses the big 10 title game. and in that scenario, if osu gets the playoff nod, the committee is going to get tons and tons of heat. eh. i think you'd be surprised how psu fans would react. most thought we'd win 6-7 games. but if they win 10 games and play in a big time new years bowl, psu fans would be thrilled. it's all about expectations. i'd rather have psu play a good team in a competitive bowl game than have the nation cry who 9 months about how penn state was overrated and didn't belong after losing to alabama by 50. interesting. we may get a chance to see if one of us is more right on this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 11:52:52 GMT -5
If Ohio St wins out I for the life of me can't see how you don't consider Ohio St one of the 4 best teams in the country.
This will be the 1st year the committee will have to put up or shut up if Ohio St wins out.
I know the conference championship argument. And I'd he a hypocrite now if I changed my position on it and I'm not a SEC fan.
Then I also can't imagine keeping a team who is clearly one of the best 4 in the nation out of the playoffs cause they lost 1 game on the road vs now a top 10 team on a blocked FG return for TD
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Post by bamorin on Nov 14, 2016 12:06:50 GMT -5
If Ohio St wins out I for the life of me can't see how you don't consider Ohio St one of the 4 best teams in the country. This will be the 1st year the committee will have to put up or shut up if Ohio St wins out. I know the conference championship argument. And I'd he a hypocrite now if I changed my position on it and I'm not a SEC fan. Then I also can't imagine keeping a team who is clearly one of the best 4 in the nation out of the playoffs cause they lost 1 game on the road vs now a top 10 team on a blocked FG return for TD OSU got in the 2014 play off not because they won the B10CCG, but because of how they won it. Had OSU beaten Wisconsin 13-10 in triple OT, not a chance in hell they would have played. The committee's choice should be the best 4 teams in the country play. Do you want a national champion from the top 4? Or is this a game between conference champs only? this could be a year when 1 conference gets two teams, and the B10 stands as best chance, of that chance. If that happens, the playeoffs will go to an 8 team pretty freakin quick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 12:18:12 GMT -5
If Ohio St wins out I for the life of me can't see how you don't consider Ohio St one of the 4 best teams in the country. This will be the 1st year the committee will have to put up or shut up if Ohio St wins out. I know the conference championship argument. And I'd he a hypocrite now if I changed my position on it and I'm not a SEC fan. Then I also can't imagine keeping a team who is clearly one of the best 4 in the nation out of the playoffs cause they lost 1 game on the road vs now a top 10 team on a blocked FG return for TD OSU got in the 2014 play off not because they won the B10CCG, but because of how they won it. Had OSU beaten Wisconsin 13-10 in triple OT, not a chance in hell they would have played. The committee's choice should be the best 4 teams in the country play. Do you want a national champion from the top 4? Or is this a game between conference champs only? this could be a year when 1 conference gets two teams, and the B10 stands as best chance, of that chance. If that happens, the playeoffs will go to an 8 team pretty freakin quick. I agree with you... Hold on.... I almost passed out saying that.. But last year Ohio ST was one of the best 4 teams. Did they get in? No. The committee has said from day 1 conference champions get priority. Winning your conference is how you get in. The committee will pick from, if Ohio St wins out, SEC Champion Alabama, ACC Champion Clemson, PAC-12 Champion Washington, Big 10 Champion (if that's Penn St, who has a win over Ohio St), and Big 12 Champion Oklahoma (Who has less of a chance than Ohio St.) And Ohio St
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Post by beuycek on Nov 14, 2016 12:25:29 GMT -5
OSU got in the 2014 play off not because they won the B10CCG, but because of how they won it. Had OSU beaten Wisconsin 13-10 in triple OT, not a chance in hell they would have played. The committee's choice should be the best 4 teams in the country play. Do you want a national champion from the top 4? Or is this a game between conference champs only? this could be a year when 1 conference gets two teams, and the B10 stands as best chance, of that chance. If that happens, the playeoffs will go to an 8 team pretty freakin quick. I agree with you... Hold on.... I almost passed out saying that.. But last year Ohio ST was one of the best 4 teams. Did they get in? No. The committee has said from day 1 conference champions get priority. Winning your conference is how you get in. The committee will pick from, if Ohio St wins out, SEC Champion Alabama, ACC Champion Clemson, PAC-12 Champion Washington, Big 10 Champion (if that's Penn St, who has a win over Ohio St), and Big 12 Champion Oklahoma (Who has less of a chance than Ohio St.) And Ohio St I agree with both of you, which is an even bigger accomplishment. But while agree, especially the part about moving to 8 teams VERY quickly if the "lowly" B1G were to get two, I will not be happy about it when there are only 4 teams involved. A conference championship has to mean something and if we were to get in without even playing in a CCG, it would be a shame. The only brightside would be watching the committee spin their way out of the cintroversy by back-tracking on their own precedents. They do it every week to a degree but that would be pretty entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 12:31:57 GMT -5
I agree with you... Hold on.... I almost passed out saying that.. But last year Ohio ST was one of the best 4 teams. Did they get in? No. The committee has said from day 1 conference champions get priority. Winning your conference is how you get in. The committee will pick from, if Ohio St wins out, SEC Champion Alabama, ACC Champion Clemson, PAC-12 Champion Washington, Big 10 Champion (if that's Penn St, who has a win over Ohio St), and Big 12 Champion Oklahoma (Who has less of a chance than Ohio St.) And Ohio St I agree with both of you, which is an even bigger accomplishment. But while agree, especially the part about moving to 8 teams VERY quickly if the "lowly" B1G were to get two, I will not be happy about it when there are only 4 teams involved. A conference championship has to mean something and if we were to get in without even playing in a CCG, it would be a shame. The only brightside would be watching the committee spin their way out of the cintroversy by back-tracking on their own precedents. They do it every week to a degree but that would be pretty entertaining. I'm hearing Kumbaya in the distance lol I agree with 99% of what you said. And I'm also with you 100% with the committee. They change their damn criteria every damn week and it's starting to wear thin. Joey Galloway really called them out last week, also a big 10 writer who I'll have to look up, said the reasoning they had Texas A&M #4 should then lead to Ohio St being #4 last week yet they had Washington at #4. They sit there and go "Team A is ranked here due to this and that." But then team B is ranked way lower with the same this and that that team A has. And ESPN is so in bed with them they never question it.
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Post by bamorin on Nov 14, 2016 12:53:54 GMT -5
were to get in without even playing in a CCG, it would be a shame. Hold on, let me address/question this point only. Who did Oklahoma play in the B12CCG to qualify for the "final 4"? Baylor got left out because of that in 14 (well that, and the 59-0 game) Oklahoma got in in spite of it.
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Post by beuycek on Nov 14, 2016 14:20:02 GMT -5
were to get in without even playing in a CCG, it would be a shame. Hold on, let me address/question this point only. Who did Oklahoma play in the B12CCG to qualify for the "final 4"? Baylor got left out because of that in 14 (well that, and the 59-0 game) Oklahoma got in in spite of it. Point taken but my mention of not playing in it was more a prerequisite for winning a CCG with regard to us this year. You can't win it if you don't even play in it but your point is another example of the committee being inconsistent. TCU didn't play in a CCG and was penalized because we whipped Wisconsin's ass, in essence benefitting from the extra game. Well, that and being a co-champion with Baylor. The next year, Oklahoma doesn't play in a CCG but were rewarded for winning the Big XII championship outright. So the committee needs to shit or get off the pot as far as whether winning a conference is the important piece or is it winning by way of a CCG and the extra game. Next year, all of the power conferences will have a CCG but until then we still the inconsistency of the committee with this topic. I think I kind of rambled there a little but you get the point.
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Post by AlaCowboy on Nov 14, 2016 14:31:55 GMT -5
OSU got in the 2014 play off not because they won the B10CCG, but because of how they won it. Had OSU beaten Wisconsin 13-10 in triple OT, not a chance in hell they would have played. The committee's choice should be the best 4 teams in the country play. Do you want a national champion from the top 4? Or is this a game between conference champs only? this could be a year when 1 conference gets two teams, and the B10 stands as best chance, of that chance. If that happens, the playeoffs will go to an 8 team pretty freakin quick. I agree with you... Hold on.... I almost passed out saying that.. But last year Ohio ST was one of the best 4 teams. Did they get in? No. The committee has said from day 1 conference champions get priority. Winning your conference is how you get in. The committee will pick from, if Ohio St wins out, SEC Champion Alabama, ACC Champion Clemson, PAC-12 Champion Washington, Big 10 Champion (if that's Penn St, who has a win over Ohio St), and Big 12 Champion Oklahoma (Who has less of a chance than Ohio St.) And Ohio St Should Ohio State win out, they would be ranked higher than whoever the CCG winner is in every poll. So, does the Playoff Committee give precedent to conference winner Penn State (who beat Ohio State)? Probably not. But if Michigan wins out, then loses to Wisconsin in the CG, who would the Committee pick? Conference champ Wisconsin, with a loss to Ohio State?Maybe not. CG loser Michigan? with a win and a loss against Wisky? Hmmm.
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 14, 2016 14:40:37 GMT -5
OSU got in the 2014 play off not because they won the B10CCG, but because of how they won it. Had OSU beaten Wisconsin 13-10 in triple OT, not a chance in hell they would have played. The committee's choice should be the best 4 teams in the country play. Do you want a national champion from the top 4? Or is this a game between conference champs only? this could be a year when 1 conference gets two teams, and the B10 stands as best chance, of that chance. If that happens, the playeoffs will go to an 8 team pretty freakin quick. I agree with you... Hold on.... I almost passed out saying that.. But last year Ohio ST was one of the best 4 teams. Did they get in? No. The committee has said from day 1 conference champions get priority. Winning your conference is how you get in. The committee will pick from, if Ohio St wins out, SEC Champion Alabama, ACC Champion Clemson, PAC-12 Champion Washington, Big 10 Champion (if that's Penn St, who has a win over Ohio St), and Big 12 Champion Oklahoma (Who has less of a chance than Ohio St.) And Ohio St Appreciate anointing OU as Big 12 champion, but that is far from a done deal. Hell of a tough game coming up this weekend with West Virginia. And then in 2 weeks against OSU.
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 14, 2016 14:48:08 GMT -5
were to get in without even playing in a CCG, it would be a shame. Hold on, let me address/question this point only. Who did Oklahoma play in the B12CCG to qualify for the "final 4"? Baylor got left out because of that in 14 (well that, and the 59-0 game) Oklahoma got in in spite of it. Well, there is a little bit of difference. Oklahoma didn't play a CCG, but they won their conference with a round robin schedule. IOW, they played every other team. That's a lot different that a team that ends up second in its division, does not play all other teams and does not play in a CCG.
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Post by bamorin on Nov 14, 2016 14:56:01 GMT -5
Hold on, let me address/question this point only. Who did Oklahoma play in the B12CCG to qualify for the "final 4"? Baylor got left out because of that in 14 (well that, and the 59-0 game) Oklahoma got in in spite of it. Well, there is a little bit of difference. Oklahoma didn't play a CCG, but they won their conference with a round robin schedule. IOW, they played every other team. That's a lot different that a team that ends up second in its division, does not play all other teams and does not play in a CCG. I understand all of that. Was simply addressing the idea that winning a CCG was all that critical to selection. It has both been, and been not in the 2 years. But do have Oklahoma finish out. The win vs Oklahoma will look prettier to the committee than the loss to sPITT
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