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Post by oujour76 on Jan 23, 2017 18:08:01 GMT -5
His personal return will most likely be very lengthy. No doubt. That said, I understand that he can't be forced to release them, and I seriously doubt if he will ever do so. However, the issue will continue to be a distraction and as I said to Dale, he has nobody to blame for that but himself.
Do you think he cares? Distraction? What distraction? <Lifting lint off my jacket> |
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Post by Walter on Jan 23, 2017 18:51:30 GMT -5
Do you think he cares? Distraction? What distraction? <Lifting lint off my jacket> Where this could get really sticky for him is if these "emolument" clause lawsuits about his foreign dealings get filed and gain any traction wit the court. His returns and a whole lot more may end up in the public domain whether he wants them to or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 20:14:55 GMT -5
Of course he doesn't care. But, if it blows up on him down the road, he's got nobody to blame but himself. If he wasn't going to release them, just say so in the first place. Where this could get really sticky for him is if these "emolument" clause lawsuits about his foreign dealings get filed and gain any traction wit the court. His returns and a whole lot more may end up in the public domain whether he wants them to or not.
Secretary of State John Kerry -- married to Theresa HEINZ Kerry. How much is SHE (and by extension, he) worth because of her business? Not a word of impropriety from Damnedocrats.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton --- beneficiary of the Clinton Fraud Foundation. Nope, no problems here from Damnedocrats, either.
Democrats have set the precedent for the President.
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Post by oujour76 on Jan 23, 2017 20:38:05 GMT -5
Of course he doesn't care. But, if it blows up on him down the road, he's got nobody to blame but himself. If he wasn't going to release them, just say so in the first place. Where this could get really sticky for him is if these "emolument" clause lawsuits about his foreign dealings get filed and gain any traction wit the court. His returns and a whole lot more may end up in the public domain whether he wants them to or not. |
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Post by Walter on Jan 23, 2017 20:40:50 GMT -5
Where this could get really sticky for him is if these "emolument" clause lawsuits about his foreign dealings get filed and gain any traction wit the court. His returns and a whole lot more may end up in the public domain whether he wants them to or not.
Secretary of State John Kerry -- married to Theresa HEINZ Kerry. How much is SHE (and by extension, he) worth because of her business? Not a word of impropriety from Damnedocrats.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton --- beneficiary of the Clinton Fraud Foundation. Nope, no problems here from Damnedocrats, either.
Democrats have set the precedent for the President.
Unless some foreign government agreed to buy 9 million cases of ketchup they didn't really need, it's hard to see how Kerry has an issue. Clinton is a bit dicier, because even though she didn't personally accept foreign emoluments, the CGI did. Trump deals with foreign governments all the time with his projects. Every single one of the deals conceivably could involve some sort of conflict of interest that could easily be construed as an emolument. Get a tax break on a piece of property where you're planning a hotel in downtown Moscow? Hmmmm.....What is THAT worth? DING!! Emolument. See the problem? |
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Post by Walter on Jan 23, 2017 20:46:01 GMT -5
Where this could get really sticky for him is if these "emolument" clause lawsuits about his foreign dealings get filed and gain any traction wit the court. His returns and a whole lot more may end up in the public domain whether he wants them to or not. I disagree. I think it creates a situation where the court requires Congress to set up and to sign off on any foreign transaction that comes down the pipe. Trump might be forced to submit every foreign deal to some committee(s) for review and approval by the Congress. I read an article that claimed Obama had to notify Congress and go through a review by the Justice Department and get a favorable opinion in order to accept the Nobel prize, so I don't think this is as inconsequential as you think it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 21:27:24 GMT -5
They won't.
Secretary of State John Kerry -- married to Theresa HEINZ Kerry. How much is SHE (and by extension, he) worth because of her business? Not a word of impropriety from Damnedocrats.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton --- beneficiary of the Clinton Fraud Foundation. Nope, no problems here from Damnedocrats, either.
Democrats have set the precedent for the President.
Unless some foreign government agreed to buy 9 million cases of ketchup they didn't really need, it's hard to see how Kerry has an issue. Clinton is a bit dicier, because even though she didn't personally accept foreign emoluments, the CGI did. Trump deals with foreign governments all the time with his projects. Every single one of the deals conceivably could involve some sort of conflict of interest that could easily be construed as an emolument. Get a tax break on a piece of property where you're planning a hotel in downtown Moscow? Hmmmm.....What is THAT worth? DING!! Emolument. See the problem?
Or, if liberals want to push the issue, he can enter into a legal and binding contract with his children giving them total control of all his businesses, relinquishing all of his rights to same, for a period ending on Jan. 21, 2021, or Jan. 21, 2025, whichever date marks the end of his term as President of the United States. He can agree to live off of only the money he has accumulated prior to Jan. 20, 2017, which might put him in a bind and force him to take the presidential salary, which up to this point, he has agreed to forego. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 21:31:33 GMT -5
It's already been filed. My guess is it gains no traction, but we'll see. I disagree. I think it creates a situation where the court requires Congress to set up and to sign off on any foreign transaction that comes down the pipe. Trump might be forced to submit every foreign deal to some committee(s) for review and approval by the Congress. I read an article that claimed Obama had to notify Congress and go through a review by the Justice Department and get a favorable opinion in order to accept the Nobel prize, so I don't think this is as inconsequential as you think it is.
"...No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State..."
YOUR quote, not mine.
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Post by Coaltrain on Jan 23, 2017 21:43:18 GMT -5
“No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
So what is the gift that Trump received from another country? We know he has business's that bill their patrons around the world.
That is not a present, that's a bill.
President Trump and his Attorneys went directly to the Ethic's committee and did everything they were instructed to. Being that the accusations
for violation of the Emolument is, in fact extended by the accusers to include accepting monies for services, I have to think this is going to
be thrown out.
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Post by Coaltrain on Jan 23, 2017 21:44:25 GMT -5
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Post by burninbush on Jan 24, 2017 13:26:39 GMT -5
I'm more interested in how we are going to renegotiate NAFTA. As am I. And then ya'll can figure out how to renegotiate the Iran nuclear agreement -- with the UN. |
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Post by oujour76 on Jan 24, 2017 13:31:11 GMT -5
And then ya'll can figure out how to renegotiate the Iran nuclear agreement -- with the UN.
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Post by oujour76 on Jan 24, 2017 13:39:53 GMT -5
It's already been filed. My guess is it gains no traction, but we'll see. I disagree. I think it creates a situation where the court requires Congress to set up and to sign off on any foreign transaction that comes down the pipe. Trump might be forced to submit every foreign deal to some committee(s) for review and approval by the Congress. I read an article that claimed Obama had to notify Congress and go through a review by the Justice Department and get a favorable opinion in order to accept the Nobel prize, so I don't think this is as inconsequential as you think it is. |
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Post by Walter on Jan 24, 2017 13:41:36 GMT -5
I disagree. I think it creates a situation where the court requires Congress to set up and to sign off on any foreign transaction that comes down the pipe. Trump might be forced to submit every foreign deal to some committee(s) for review and approval by the Congress. I read an article that claimed Obama had to notify Congress and go through a review by the Justice Department and get a favorable opinion in order to accept the Nobel prize, so I don't think this is as inconsequential as you think it is.
"...No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State..."
YOUR quote, not mine.
I didn't say it was an emolument. I said it was judged NOT an emolument. But it DID get reviewed and opinion was rendered. www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-b7ee-d53b-a37f-bfee7b6d0001You should demand the same from any of Trump's dealings. If not, you dine on hypocrisy. |
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Post by burninbush on Jan 24, 2017 13:42:29 GMT -5
And then ya'll can figure out how to renegotiate the Iran nuclear agreement -- with the UN.
?? It's another agreement that involves foreign powers. He has been saying all along that he'll re-do the agreement. He can welsh on the US part of it, but that would piss off everybody who has other agrements with the US government. And whatever getting us out of it might mean, I dunno -- maybe he wants a war with Iran. Or maybe it's just political candidate bullshit. Without it they'd be testing nuke explosions by now. |
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