HEY, HARRY, WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE TITANIUM ENGINES?

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DEBUNKING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT'S  9/11 TRUTH DEBUNKERS






DEMOLITIONS EXPERT DANIEL JOWENKO-- "WTC7 WAS A PROFESSIONAL DEMOLITION"

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NYFD Firemen on 9/11-- "Molten Steel Was Flowing 'Like A Foundry' At Ground Zero"

[Lee The Locksmith]

Apr 3, 2017 13:44:09 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I have a related question for Harold, Walt, and Daleko...

Below is a photo of reserved parking garage at my office. How does this compare to the Pentagon terrorist attack ?

Many observers find the size of the punch-out hole peculiar because it is small relative to a 757. Measuring about 9 feet in diameter, it is much less than the 12.5-foot diameter of a 757's fuselage.

However, the mass of a jetliner is not uniformly distributed throughout its shape. The fuselage of a 757 comprises only about a quarter of the area of its frontal profile, but makes up well over half of its mass. The distribution of the mass within the fuselage is far from uniform. Most of the structure is located in the lower third of the fuselage, as are the heavy components such as the landing gear.

In a high-speed collision with a building, only the parts of the aircraft with the greatest density and total mass, such as the lower third of the fuselage, could be expected to penetrate far into the building. That part also has a small frontal profile -- approximately the size of the punch-out hole.

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Blind Willie... punch out hole...
Sounds like some sort of perverted homosexual activity Blind Willie engages in...

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Apr 9, 2017 7:38:23 GMT -5 Lee The Locksmith said:

Apr 3, 2017 13:44:09 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I have a related question for Harold, Walt, and Daleko...

Below is a photo of reserved parking garage at my office. How does this compare to the Pentagon terrorist attack ?

Many observers find the size of the punch-out hole peculiar because it is small relative to a 757. Measuring about 9 feet in diameter, it is much less than the 12.5-foot diameter of a 757's fuselage.

However, the mass of a jetliner is not uniformly distributed throughout its shape. The fuselage of a 757 comprises only about a quarter of the area of its frontal profile, but makes up well over half of its mass. The distribution of the mass within the fuselage is far from uniform. Most of the structure is located in the lower third of the fuselage, as are the heavy components such as the landing gear.

In a high-speed collision with a building, only the parts of the aircraft with the greatest density and total mass, such as the lower third of the fuselage, could be expected to penetrate far into the building. That part also has a small frontal profile -- approximately the size of the punch-out hole.

Lee,

    The aluminum 757 fuselage would have had to punch through FIVE other heavy concrete and steel-reinforced walls BEFORE it "punched out" this hole in the "C" ring of the Pentagon.

     There's no way that an aluminum fuselage could have done that.  This hole was either created by some sort of explosives, or by a "bunker busting" missile of some kind.

     (See Harry's video above of a jet colliding with a concrete wall.)

[daleko]

Apr 7, 2017 23:09:45 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Apr 7, 2017 23:00:52 GMT -5 Walter said:

Oh... so none of this is anything other than your own speculation.
Well, you are certainly entitled to that, but then I am entitled to think that your assertions are right up there with anyone else's. And frankly, IMO, there are homeless mental patients who have equally competing ideas about 9/11.

It's not speculation, but a fact based hypothesis.

Unlike the 9/11 Commission Report, however, my hypothesis is not contradicted by the facts. (THat you choose to include while ignoring those inconvenient facts that conflict w your proposed explanation)

hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence 
a proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.

[daleko]

Apr 9, 2017 12:24:20 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Apr 9, 2017 7:38:23 GMT -5 Lee The Locksmith said:

Lee,

    The aluminum 757 fuselage would have had to punch through FIVE other heavy concrete and steel-reinforced walls BEFORE it "punched out" this hole in the "C" ring of the Pentagon.

Wait, I thought you posted this was an outside wall? Is this your apology for being full of shit before?

[oujour76]

Apr 9, 2017 16:30:09 GMT -5 daleko said:

Apr 9, 2017 12:24:20 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Lee,

    The aluminum 757 fuselage would have had to punch through FIVE other heavy concrete and steel-reinforced walls BEFORE it "punched out" this hole in the "C" ring of the Pentagon.

Wait, I thought you posted this was an outside wall? Is this your apology for being full of shit before?

The interior walls at the Pentagon he is talking about were not concrete and steel reinforced. Good Lord.

[daleko]

Apr 9, 2017 17:52:28 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Apr 9, 2017 16:30:09 GMT -5 daleko said:

Wait, I thought you posted this was an outside wall? Is this your apology for being full of shit before?

The interior walls at the Pentagon he is talking about were not concrete and steel reinforced. Good Lord.

You didn't see the reinforcement in the pile of rubble? If he had ever been there he'd have known. Maybe he got the info from the book he was reading who was, in reality, a chauffeur. Willie's a moron or blind.

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Blind Willie is mesmerized by big gaping holes...

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Apr 9, 2017 18:12:40 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Apr 9, 2017 17:52:28 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

The interior walls at the Pentagon he is talking about were not concrete and steel reinforced. Good Lord.

Harry,

    Have you studied the history of the Pentagon's reinforcement of that section of the building's walls in 2001-- before the missile was fired on 9/11?

    Honestly, you guys need to read Laurent Guyenot's excellent compendium of the 9/11 data, before I waste any more time trying to bring you up to date.

[oujour76]

Apr 9, 2017 18:33:38 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Apr 9, 2017 18:12:40 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Harry,

    Have you studied the history of the Pentagon's reinforcement of that section of the building's walls in 2001-- before the missile was fired on 9/11?

    Honestly, you guys need to read Laurent Guyenot's excellent compendium of the 9/11 data, before I waste any more time trying to bring you up to date.

The outside wall was reinforced. You're claiming that the interior walls were steel and concrete reinforced, and that's simply not the case.

[Walter]

Apr 9, 2017 12:24:20 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Apr 9, 2017 7:38:23 GMT -5 Lee The Locksmith said:

Many observers find the size of the punch-out hole peculiar because it is small relative to a 757. Measuring about 9 feet in diameter, it is much less than the 12.5-foot diameter of a 757's fuselage.

However, the mass of a jetliner is not uniformly distributed throughout its shape. The fuselage of a 757 comprises only about a quarter of the area of its frontal profile, but makes up well over half of its mass. The distribution of the mass within the fuselage is far from uniform. Most of the structure is located in the lower third of the fuselage, as are the heavy components such as the landing gear.

In a high-speed collision with a building, only the parts of the aircraft with the greatest density and total mass, such as the lower third of the fuselage, could be expected to penetrate far into the building. That part also has a small frontal profile -- approximately the size of the punch-out hole.

Lee,

    The aluminum 757 fuselage would have had to punch through FIVE other heavy concrete and steel-reinforced walls BEFORE it "punched out" this hole in the "C" ring of the Pentagon.

     There's no way that an aluminum fuselage could have done that.  This hole was either created by some sort of explosives, or by a "bunker busting" missile of some kind.

     (See Harry's video above of a jet colliding with a concrete wall.)

Oh really?
I'd advise you to review the photos of the construction of the Pentagon. It is a post and beam construction, meaning that there are few, if any bearing walls and certainly not "concrete walls", or at least, not a lot of them.

In a geographical area where there is little or no seismic or hurricane activity, the need for lateral support is relatively non-existent compared to other areas of the country. Therefore lateral resisting elements such as concrete walls would be a waste of money. There might be some light infill masonry walls to carry the exterior veneer at the exterior skin, (and, in fact, that is what the photo shows) and they would have very minimal amounts of rebar. As for PIP concrete walls? No way.

I read that the exterior wall was reinforced after the OKC bombing, but I would doubt that the interior rings were hardened. There wouldn't be a reason to do it.

[daleko]

Apr 9, 2017 18:33:38 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Apr 9, 2017 18:12:40 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Harry,

    Have you studied the history of the Pentagon's reinforcement of that section of the building's walls in 2001-- before the missile was fired on 9/11?

    Honestly, you guys need to read Laurent Guyenot's excellent compendium of the 9/11 data, before I waste any more time trying to bring you up to date.

I've offered to send you an old Structural Engineering Handbook, Gaylord and Collins, but you're not having any. It'd help. You should read what ASCE member, also a prof in Structural at Prrrrdu, says about this issue. 

So you agree w Guyenot that the Jews killed JFK? Really? 

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Apr 9, 2017 19:13:15 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Apr 9, 2017 18:33:38 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

The outside wall was reinforced. You're claiming that the interior walls were steel and concrete reinforced, and that's simply not the case.

Still splitting pubic hairs, eh Harry?

Tell us if you think an aluminum fuselage would have pierced that steel mesh reinforced front wall, then punched through five more concrete walls.

YGBFKM...

You guys will do anything to believe Phillip Zelikow's ridiculous 9/11 narrative.