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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 16:27:40 GMT -5
12 people murdered and 48 injured in 8 short minutes. The first cop to encounter the filthy muslimes was armed only with a baton to fight their knives. He was stabbed. A martial arts expert who thought he was breaking up a fight was slashed in the throat. He survived, but can't speak yet.
The police finally arrived, shooting and killing 3 cowardly muslime attackers. 12 or more muslimes or muslime sympathizers have been arrested in connection to this attack. To say it was a one-off isolated incident would be a LIE.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/3720100/london-bridge-attack-victim-martial-arts-expert-journalist-geoff-ho-seen-clutching-his-bleeding-neck-after-fighting-terrorist/
If one or two decent Londoners had been legally armed with concealed handguns when this happened, could the casualty toll have been lower?
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Post by Walter on Jun 4, 2017 16:34:38 GMT -5
12 people murdered and 48 injured in 8 short minutes. The first cop to encounter the filthy muslimes was armed only with a baton to fight their knives. He was stabbed. A martial arts expert who thought he was breaking up a fight was slashed in the throat. He survived, but can't speak yet.
The police finally arrived, shooting and killing 3 cowardly muslime attackers. 12 or more muslimes or muslime sympathizers have been arrested in connection to this attack. To say it was a one-off isolated incident would be a LIE.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/3720100/london-bridge-attack-victim-martial-arts-expert-journalist-geoff-ho-seen-clutching-his-bleeding-neck-after-fighting-terrorist/
If one or two decent Londoners had been legally armed with concealed handguns when this happened, could the casualty toll have been lower? ...not if one or two of them were the attackers... Remember Sandy Hook? Legally possessed firearms. The fact that it is nearly impossible to buy a gun in England made the attackers resort to knives. Had the knife been an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine, there'd have been a lot more carnage. I will say this, however. Unarmed police? Hey, London! Are you nuts? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 16:49:21 GMT -5
12 people murdered and 48 injured in 8 short minutes. The first cop to encounter the filthy muslimes was armed only with a baton to fight their knives. He was stabbed. A martial arts expert who thought he was breaking up a fight was slashed in the throat. He survived, but can't speak yet.
The police finally arrived, shooting and killing 3 cowardly muslime attackers. 12 or more muslimes or muslime sympathizers have been arrested in connection to this attack. To say it was a one-off isolated incident would be a LIE.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/3720100/london-bridge-attack-victim-martial-arts-expert-journalist-geoff-ho-seen-clutching-his-bleeding-neck-after-fighting-terrorist/
If one or two decent Londoners had been legally armed with concealed handguns when this happened, could the casualty toll have been lower? ...not if one or two of them were the attackers... Remember Sandy Hook? Legally possessed firearms. The fact that it is nearly impossible to buy a gun in England made the attackers resort to knives. Had the knife been an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine, there'd have been a lot more carnage. I will say this, however. Unarmed police? Hey, London! Are you nuts?
Easy answer. The bastards KNOW we will shoot back.
Remember Sandy Hook? Are there laws restricting carrying LEGAL firearms on school campuses? YES.
Are there laws against murdering people? YES.
Did those laws stop ANYTHING? NO.
Except the right to fight back.
EDIT: Even a person with a 100 round AR can be taken out by a SINGLE shot to the head. Your hypothesis is wrong. Only unarmed victims are helpless against a semiauto rifle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 17:08:09 GMT -5
Mutt, Walt thinks the problem is guns, not people, or in this case, animals.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 17:23:46 GMT -5
Mutt, Walt thinks the problem is guns, not people, or in this case, animals.
Those damn lazy laws that nutty politicians keep creating just won't WORK. What do we have to do to make a law work?
Do we need to increase the minimum wage of laws? Do they need gov't subsidy? Are laws uneducated or physically weak?
WHY won't those damn laws get off their asses and do their JOBS? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 17:40:51 GMT -5
Try living in CA... we keep complying and complying and complying... You wouldn't believe how many people have finally had it and say they will not comply with the 'assault rifle' law and leave their AR's as is. The law says that you have to register your bullet button AR-type rifle by 1-1-18 (although they're talking about a six month extension), turn them in to a police dept., or go 'featureless' (no collapsing stock, no flash hider, no pistol grip). There's a murky workaround to the law which says that you cannot have these feature unless the magazine is permanently attached and cannot be removed without taking apart the action. The workaround is a 'bullet button reloaded' which only allows the mag to drop if the upper is tilted forward from the lower by releasing the rear take down pin, thus 'taking apart the action'.
Here's how it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 17:52:03 GMT -5
Try living in CA... we keep complying and complying and complying... You wouldn't believe how many people have finally had it and say they will not comply with the 'assault rifle' law and leave their AR's as is. The law says that you have to register your bullet button AR-type rifle by 1-1-18 (although they're talking about a six month extension), turn them in to a police dept., or go 'featureless' (no collapsing stock, no flash hider, no pistol grip). There's a murky workaround to the law which says that you cannot have these feature unless the magazine is permanently attached and cannot be removed without taking apart the action. The workaround is a 'bullet button reloaded' which only allows the mag to drop if the upper is tilted forward from the lower by releasing the rear take down pin, thus 'taking apart the action'. Here's how it works.
Again, I am thankful I don't live in a state where the legislators hate guns, gun owners, and freedom. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 18:16:20 GMT -5
Thanks for your positive reinforcement as always.
The funny thing is, you can drop a mag faster with the new 'bullet button' than you can with the old 'bullet button' which needs a tool to fumble with to work the mag release. Now no tool needed, just pull the lanyard and drop the mag. Politicians are such ass holes.
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Post by roxalot on Jun 4, 2017 21:55:08 GMT -5
...not if one or two of them were the attackers... Remember Sandy Hook? Legally possessed firearms. The fact that it is nearly impossible to buy a gun in England made the attackers resort to knives. Had the knife been an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine, there'd have been a lot more carnage. I will say this, however. Unarmed police? Hey, London! Are you nuts?
or a trio of lunatics armed with knives, or baseball bats, or pipes, or.. you get the picture. I'm fairly quick on my feet but against three grown men armed with knives or ball bats that have bad intentions, could I protect my wife and myself from great bodily harm WITHOUT being armed with my handgun..?.. Glad I don't reside in London so I won't maybe have to find out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 23:53:19 GMT -5
Thanks for your positive reinforcement as always. The funny thing is, you can drop a mag faster with the new 'bullet button' than you can with the old 'bullet button' which needs a tool to fumble with to work the mag release. Now no tool needed, just pull the lanyard and drop the mag. Politicians are such ass holes.
That thing is a solution to a problem that does not exist if you start out with the right gun to begin with.
You know how a Mini-14 works. The Mini is faster to reload than ANY "California AR." Dump the AR and get a gun that liberals aren't trying to destroy. Problem solved. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 23:58:19 GMT -5
Only unarmed victims are helpless against a semiauto rifle.
or a trio of lunatics armed with knives, or baseball bats, or pipes, or.. you get the picture. I'm fairly quick on my feet but against three grown men armed with knives or ball bats that have bad intentions, could I protect my wife and myself from great bodily harm WITHOUT being armed with my handgun..?.. Glad I don't reside in London so I won't maybe have to find out.
The important point is to do something ............ don't stand there and do nothing. A chair, a broom, your wife's purse --- anything is better than nothing. |
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Post by lz2112 on Jun 5, 2017 0:29:01 GMT -5
12 people murdered and 48 injured in 8 short minutes. The first cop to encounter the filthy muslimes was armed only with a baton to fight their knives. He was stabbed. A martial arts expert who thought he was breaking up a fight was slashed in the throat. He survived, but can't speak yet.
The police finally arrived, shooting and killing 3 cowardly muslime attackers. 12 or more muslimes or muslime sympathizers have been arrested in connection to this attack. To say it was a one-off isolated incident would be a LIE.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/3720100/london-bridge-attack-victim-martial-arts-expert-journalist-geoff-ho-seen-clutching-his-bleeding-neck-after-fighting-terrorist/
If one or two decent Londoners had been legally armed with concealed handguns when this happened, could the casualty toll have been lower? ...not if one or two of them were the attackers... Remember Sandy Hook? Legally possessed firearms. The fact that it is nearly impossible to buy a gun in England made the attackers resort to knives. Had the knife been an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine, there'd have been a lot more carnage. I will say this, however. Unarmed police? Hey, London! Are you nuts? You assholes are so focused on the gun debate, you are missing the bigger picture. My nephew was in North London last night and freaked my sister and mother out because they couldn't contact him. When they did, he said public transportation was crippled and the only description he gave about getting back to his hostile was that "it was an adventure". ISIS won last night by shutting down a major city with a relatively minor attack. A terrorist attack killed 80 in Iraq last week, and the media hardly noticed. Think about that. ISIS is winning because all they have to do is say BOO! and the western world freaks out. All they need is some mentally deranged person to go postal and be even slightly linked to them, and bingo, they have a martyr. You cannot defeat batshit crazy, not even if every one carries a gun. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 1:33:18 GMT -5
...not if one or two of them were the attackers... Remember Sandy Hook? Legally possessed firearms. The fact that it is nearly impossible to buy a gun in England made the attackers resort to knives. Had the knife been an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine, there'd have been a lot more carnage. I will say this, however. Unarmed police? Hey, London! Are you nuts? You assholes are so focused on the gun debate, you are missing the bigger picture. My nephew was in North London last night and freaked my sister and mother out because they couldn't contact him. When they did, he said public transportation was crippled and the only description he gave about getting back to his hostile was that "it was an adventure". ISIS won last night by shutting down a major city with a relatively minor attack. A terrorist attack killed 80 in Iraq last week, and the media hardly noticed. Think about that. ISIS is winning because all they have to do is say BOO! and the western world freaks out. All they need is some mentally deranged person to go postal and be even slightly linked to them, and bingo, they have a martyr. You cannot defeat batshit crazy, not even if every one carries a gun. The terrorists CAN be defeated, but only by KILLING every one you encounter. Identify a terrorist training camp,and while everyone is out in forrnations, on the firing line or whatever, BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THEM. Locking them up doesn't stop them from thinking and passing on instructions to others. They cannot be "educated." They MUST be killed. Terminated. Made deceased.
Terrorists are not criminals who can be handled by local police. They are an army, who must be defeated in a war. Destroy ALL their supplies and support facilities, destroy their training camps and KILL everyone in them. The biggest problem is that they hide like cowards in civilian clothes and are not readily identifiable as the enemy like regular armies are. They don't believe in fighting by rules and conventions, therefore WE must abandon those ideas too, in order to win. This is not a game, and there is no court of law ruling on a terror attack.
The only answer is to kill and destroy, kill and destroy, then kill and destroy until there is nothing left to kill or destroy.
That is barbaric yes, but it is the only thing barbarians understand. You can't use boxing gloves when your opponent has a machete or scimitar in each hand.
You can't beat suicide bombers with a gun, unless you shoot them before they get to their intended point of action. But if good citizens are armed in more numbers than the terrorists, I kinda like those odds. If there is one terrorist in a crowd with an AK, 3 armed citizens can triangulate from spread positions and take him out. He doesn't have three barrels on his gun, and if you have 3 adversaries, you can't line up more than 2 at a time. That leaves #3 free to kill you.
People need to arm themselves, learn to shoot, and LEARN TACTICS. TACTICS is the most important component beyond having the weapon. Good tactics can place even an average shot in position to kill quickly.
WE CAN WIN.
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Post by Walter on Jun 5, 2017 10:52:15 GMT -5
You assholes are so focused on the gun debate, you are missing the bigger picture. My nephew was in North London last night and freaked my sister and mother out because they couldn't contact him. When they did, he said public transportation was crippled and the only description he gave about getting back to his hostile was that "it was an adventure". ISIS won last night by shutting down a major city with a relatively minor attack. A terrorist attack killed 80 in Iraq last week, and the media hardly noticed. Think about that. ISIS is winning because all they have to do is say BOO! and the western world freaks out. All they need is some mentally deranged person to go postal and be even slightly linked to them, and bingo, they have a martyr. You cannot defeat batshit crazy, not even if every one carries a gun. The terrorists CAN be defeated, but only by KILLING every one you encounter. Identify a terrorist training camp,and while everyone is out in forrnations, on the firing line or whatever, BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THEM. Locking them up doesn't stop them from thinking and passing on instructions to others. They cannot be "educated." They MUST be killed. Terminated. Made deceased.
Terrorists are not criminals who can be handled by local police. They are an army, who must be defeated in a war. Destroy ALL their supplies and support facilities, destroy their training camps and KILL everyone in them. The biggest problem is that they hide like cowards in civilian clothes and are not readily identifiable as the enemy like regular armies are. They don't believe in fighting by rules and conventions, therefore WE must abandon those ideas too, in order to win. This is not a game, and there is no court of law ruling on a terror attack.
The only answer is to kill and destroy, kill and destroy, then kill and destroy until there is nothing left to kill or destroy.
That is barbaric yes, but it is the only thing barbarians understand. You can't use boxing gloves when your opponent has a machete or scimitar in each hand.
You can't beat suicide bombers with a gun, unless you shoot them before they get to their intended point of action. But if good citizens are armed in more numbers than the terrorists, I kinda like those odds. If there is one terrorist in a crowd with an AK, 3 armed citizens can triangulate from spread positions and take him out. He doesn't have three barrels on his gun, and if you have 3 adversaries, you can't line up more than 2 at a time. That leaves #3 free to kill you.
People need to arm themselves, learn to shoot, and LEARN TACTICS. TACTICS is the most important component beyond having the weapon. Good tactics can place even an average shot in position to kill quickly.
WE CAN WIN.
Totally disagree. 1. Militarizing the general population is not a solution. 2. Most all of the Euro terrorists are home grown, so there is no "terrorist training camp". How much training does it take to drive a truck through pedestrians? 3. Most all of the Euro terrorists ARE a police problem. Most all had criminal records and most were petty, extensive and chronic. In short, they were already societal losers. That is quintessential "Idle hands..." stuff, ripe to be molded by a group like ISIS. 4. Combatting barbarism with more barbarism plays into the hands of the terrorists, because it blurs the line between what civil society looks like and what an ISIS society looks like. That contrast needs to be MORE stark, not less stark. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 12:02:48 GMT -5
Totally disagree. 1. Militarizing the general population is not a solution. 2. Most all of the Euro terrorists are home grown, so there is no "terrorist training camp". How much training does it take to drive a truck through pedestrians? 3. Most all of the Euro terrorists ARE a police problem. Most all had criminal records and most were petty, extensive and chronic. In short, they were already societal losers. That is quintessential "Idle hands..." stuff, ripe to be molded by a group like ISIS. 4. Combatting barbarism with more barbarism plays into the hands of the terrorists, because it blurs the line between what civil society looks like and what an ISIS society looks like. That contrast needs to be MORE stark, not less stark.
1. Is the U.S. population militarized? Of course not! We have the right to own and carry firearms concealed. Do you know how many people you encounter in public are armed? Of course you don't!!!
2. "Terrorist training camp" is found on Youtube, in the book stores, on websites, in mosques ...... shall I continue?
3. "Hey Achmed! I got a job at McDonald's! I am giving up my religious RIGHT to rule the world! Allaha Akbar!"
Are you NUTS, Walt? Terrorism is not a job or a hobby. It is their DUTY. Get real.
4. No. If they understood and WANTED civil behavior, they would not abuse women and kill homos. All they understand is violence and killing. Maybe you can't kill Islam, but you CAN kill terrorists ............ one at a time, one after another, until their numbers are small or zero.
You don't seem to understand. THEY HAVE DECLARED WAR. That war is ON, and your trying to wish it away can't happen.
Did we try telling the Japanese on Dec. 8th, 1941 that we don't want to play? WAR IS WAR. You better wake up. |
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