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Post by roxalot on Jun 6, 2017 5:31:13 GMT -5
Good choice. Although Winchester pdx 124 gr. suffices for me.  Like the Gold Dot also. Any of them makes a bad day for the bad guy(s)
9MM = .355"
10MM/.40 cal = .400/.401"
.45 ACP/.45 Colt = .451/.452"
The difference isn't great, but I'll take any edge I can get. Expanded sizes can favor the .45 even more.Different strokes for different folks. I'll stick with my 16 shot 9. |
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Post by roxalot on Jun 6, 2017 5:35:12 GMT -5
I didn't know there was a 'wrong' way to be with our Creator..?.. At the same time we aren't 'doormats'. If the three idiots are so dumb as to bring knives to a gunfight, then I will try my best to make sure they pay for the mistake. I've been cut before so if I get cut but am able to put three holes in each in them, I'll consider that a fair enough trade off. As for my life being finite, I'm still here. I plan on living forever. So far, so good.
If your attackers are run-of-the-mill thugs, shooting one of them will PROBABLY scare off the other 2. Street thugs are known cowards.
Do you think liberals are right with God? They don't even believe in God!Oh I'm sure there is a wrong way to be with God. I myself just don't know one. muslims terrorists will succumb to three shots to the upper torso just like any street thug. That's a fact, jack. Hope I never have to prove it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 9:36:11 GMT -5
i am currently carrying 230 gr. PDX1. When it comes to handgun bullets, bigger is always better. It starts out bigger, and never shrinks. My .45 can nick an artery (or the spinal cord) that your 9mm would miss.
9MM = .355"
10MM/.40 cal = .400/.401"
.45 ACP/.45 Colt = .451/.452"
The difference isn't great, but I'll take any edge I can get. Expanded sizes can favor the .45 even more. Different strokes for different folks. I'll stick with my 16 shot 9.
5.9" L
4.8" H
1.3" W
30.4 oz. loaded
10 rd mag +1
G19 9mm:
7.4" L
4.99" H
1.18" W
30.2 oz loaded
16 rd mag +1
Compared to a 6 shot .38 Colt Agent revolver:
7.2" L
4.9" H
1,4" W
16 oz. unloaded
To each his own, but the G30S is the easiest to conceal. |
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Post by roxalot on Jun 6, 2017 16:10:07 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks. I'll stick with my 16 shot 9.
5.9" L
4.8" H
1.3" W
30.4 oz. loaded
10 rd mag +1
G19 9mm:
7.4" L
4.99" H
1.18" W
30.2 oz loaded
16 rd mag +1
Compared to a 6 shot .38 Colt Agent revolver:
7.2" L
4.9" H
1,4" W
16 oz. unloaded
To each his own, but the G30S is the easiest to conceal.You're splitting hairs here again but I can understand where 'easier to conceal' would be an issue with you. The slightly longer inch or so in length presents no problem whatsoever for me as far as concealed carry goes. I carry the standard mag , which btw is 15 rounds, with one in the pipe giving me 16 shots ( if needed ) as quickly ( seconds ) as I can sight and fire. I also have a 17 rd. mag as well as a couple of 10 rd. mags. I do usually carry am extra mag. with me. So I guess you can say I'm comfortable in my own skin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 18:29:16 GMT -5
11 rounds of .45ACP do it for me, in a small G30Spackage.
5.9" L
4.8" H
1.3" W
30.4 oz. loaded
10 rd mag +1
G19 9mm:
7.4" L
4.99" H
1.18" W
30.2 oz loaded
16 rd mag +1
Compared to a 6 shot .38 Colt Agent revolver:
7.2" L
4.9" H
1,4" W
16 oz. unloaded
To each his own, but the G30S is the easiest to conceal. You're splitting hairs here again but I can understand where 'easier to conceal' would be an issue with you. The slightly longer inch or so in length presents no problem whatsoever for me as far as concealed carry goes. I carry the standard mag , which btw is 15 rounds, with one in the pipe giving me 16 shots ( if needed ) as quickly ( seconds ) as I can sight and fire. I also have a 17 rd. mag as well as a couple of 10 rd. mags. I do usually carry am extra mag. with me. So I guess you can say I'm comfortable in my own skin.
I stand corrected on the G19 mags, which I assume is what you have.
There's nothing wrong with 9MM. It's easier to control than a .45, especially in a gun as light as a Glock. And it's easy to see that a fullsize 1911 is faster back on target than a Glock, but in real life where minute of dinner plate groups are acceptable, it really doesn't matter.
You are carrying the gun that you trust and gives you the most confidence and that is the most important aspect over any other factor, ruling out of course any ammo lighter than .38 Spcl.
I'll welcome you by my side with your 9 any old time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 18:40:39 GMT -5
I've heard of some feeding problems when have one chambered AND a full to capacity mag inserted.
I never carry that way. If I'm carrying a 15 round mag there is one in the chamber and 14 in the mag.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:34:42 GMT -5
I've heard of some feeding problems when have one chambered AND a full to capacity mag inserted. I never carry that way. If I'm carrying a 15 round mag there is one in the chamber and 14 in the mag.
I don't carry extra mags on the street, which I admit is a major tactical error, but ---- oh well. I SHOULD work on changing that, and getting used to putting a spare mag in my pocket.
The problem I DID find with the G30S was that it doesn't like flatnosed truncated cone full metal jacket bullets. That's not really a problem because I carry it on the street with either rounded ogive HP's or 230gr ball. The TMJ's were fired on the range, and I'll never buy any again for use in a Glock.
They'll work fine in my 1911's and S&W 645. |
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Post by roxalot on Jun 6, 2017 20:41:32 GMT -5
I've heard of some feeding problems when have one chambered AND a full to capacity mag inserted. I never carry that way. If I'm carrying a 15 round mag there is one in the chamber and 14 in the mag. That would be a big problem but I haven't had it 'yet'. Something for me to keep in mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:01:48 GMT -5
I've heard of some feeding problems when have one chambered AND a full to capacity mag inserted. I never carry that way. If I'm carrying a 15 round mag there is one in the chamber and 14 in the mag. That would be a big problem but I haven't had it 'yet'. Something for me to keep in mind.
Wanna get real frustrated? Tell your helper to load 2 dummies in a row somewhere in the mag. 3 if you want to feel like throwing the gun! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:06:06 GMT -5
That would be a big problem but I haven't had it 'yet'. Something for me to keep in mind.
Wanna get real frustrated? Tell your helper to load 2 dummies in a row somewhere in the mag. 3 if you want to feel like throwing the gun!When it comes to my carry gun I will always err on the side of caution, hence why I never carry that extra round in the chamber. I do however carry a fresh mag in my pocket thus:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:13:36 GMT -5
Get yourself some snap caps, and practice your clearing techniques, over and over. Take them to the range and have someone mix them in with live rounds in your mags, so that you will suffer real stoppages in surprise moments.
Wanna get real frustrated? Tell your helper to load 2 dummies in a row somewhere in the mag. 3 if you want to feel like throwing the gun! When it comes to my carry gun I will always err on the side of caution, hence why I never carry that extra round in the chamber. I do however carry a fresh mag in my pocket thus:
So you carry a 1911.
Cocked and locked?
Nevermind ............. you said you don't carry a round in the chamber. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:15:28 GMT -5
When it comes to my carry gun I will always err on the side of caution, hence why I never carry that extra round in the chamber. I do however carry a fresh mag in my pocket thus:
So you carry a 1911.
Cocked and locked?No, dummy. It's just a pic from Ryan Grizzle of the type of pocket carrier he made me for my German SigPro 9mm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:46:10 GMT -5
So you carry a 1911.
Cocked and locked?No, dummy. It's just a pic from Ryan Grizzle of the type of pocket carrier he made me for my German SigPro 9mm.
Anyway, it looks like shoving the head of a shovel in your pocket.
$35.00 for that thing that might come out WITH the mag?
No thanks.
When I qualified in March with my 1911, I had 5 spare mags in the back pocket and front left pocket of my jeans. I had no trouble retrieving any of them and I didn't have to fish for them either. You learn to push them up from the OUTSIDE into your other fingers.
Don't get all puffy --- I'm just offering an alternative method.
I DID make one error --- I loaded al the mags with 7, which threw my round count off. The course is shot with multiples of six, 3 groups of 2 shots or 3 shots (2 to the body, 1 to the head). With 7 round mags and one in the chamber left over from the previous stage, it threw that nice neat counting by empty mags off. I won't make that mistake next year if I use the 1911 again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 22:00:50 GMT -5
No, dummy. It's just a pic from Ryan Grizzle of the type of pocket carrier he made me for my German SigPro 9mm.
Anyway, it looks like shoving the head of a shovel in your pocket.
$35.00 for that thing that might come out WITH the mag?
No thanks.
When I qualified in March with my 1911, I had 5 spare mags in the back pocket and front left pocket of my jeans. I had no trouble retrieving any of them and I didn't have to fish for them either. You learn to push them up from the OUTSIDE into your other fingers.
Don't get all puffy --- I'm just offering an alternative method.
I DID make one error --- I loaded al the mags with 7, which threw my round count off. The course is shot with multiples of six, 3 groups of 2 shots or 3 shots (2 to the body, 1 to the head). With 7 round mags and one in the chamber left over from the previous stage, it threw that nice neat counting by empty mags off. I won't make that mistake next year if I use the 1911 again.I understand it's hard for you but please try not to be an idiot, |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 22:49:55 GMT -5
Why not a picture of yours?
Anyway, it looks like shoving the head of a shovel in your pocket.
$35.00 for that thing that might come out WITH the mag?
No thanks.
When I qualified in March with my 1911, I had 5 spare mags in the back pocket and front left pocket of my jeans. I had no trouble retrieving any of them and I didn't have to fish for them either. You learn to push them up from the OUTSIDE into your other fingers.
Don't get all puffy --- I'm just offering an alternative method.
I DID make one error --- I loaded al the mags with 7, which threw my round count off. The course is shot with multiples of six, 3 groups of 2 shots or 3 shots (2 to the body, 1 to the head). With 7 round mags and one in the chamber left over from the previous stage, it threw that nice neat counting by empty mags off. I won't make that mistake next year if I use the 1911 again. I understand it's hard for you but please try not to be an idiot,
I carried regular old mag pouches on a duty belt for years. They work great for uniform use. Now as someone who carried concealed only. I want MY stuff to be as simple as possible. The same reason I don't buy fancy looking tooled and carved holsters. If I do MY job right, no one will ever see them.
Quit reading those gun magazines and Rambo-how-to articles. They are written to sell unnecessary shit and many of those "experts" have never faced anything more dangerous than a horsefly. You can always tell the wannabes. They are the ones who make error and untruth ridden Youtube videos talking about Supergun Model Killemall, chambered in .900 Pachyderm, while wearing a fully equipped tactical vest in their back yard.
I watch them for laughs sometimes.
Don't be a gun Democrat. Don't let all the internet gun "experts" baffle you with bullshit. Keep things functional, practical, and PROVEN.
Just some advice from an old worn-out fogey who doesn't know anything. |
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