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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:18:00 GMT -5
I'd be curious to hear about people's favorite Christmas cuisine. My wife and I used to fix a traditional turkey dinner at Christmas, but-- after we joined the Russian Orthodox Church in 1997-- we have not been allowed to eat meat during the Orthodox Nativity fast, from Thanksgiving to January 7th. So, nowadays, I usually grill salmon filets for Christmas (with a soy sauce/sesame oil /dill marinade) and serve them with a horse radish/ dill sauce. Good stuff. But I miss the turkey. (My wife makes a cranberry chutney to die for at Thanksgiving.) Another traditional Christmas favorite in my family is potica (po--teet-za), a Slovenian walnut bread that my mother used to make. My sister has been making potica in recent years, but it's not quite as good as the stuff my mother used to make. Potica ![](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/3724879092_b6af9c132b.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:21:19 GMT -5
That looks good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:23:16 GMT -5
My wife and I used to fix a traditional turkey dinner at Christmas, but-- after we joined the Russian Orthodox Church in 1997-- we have not been allowed to eat meat during the Orthodox Nativity fast, from Thanksgiving to January 7th. Why the f-word did you decide to join that particular church ? Especially so late in life ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:29:11 GMT -5
My wife and I used to fix a traditional turkey dinner at Christmas, but-- after we joined the Russian Orthodox Church in 1997-- we have not been allowed to eat meat during the Orthodox Nativity fast, from Thanksgiving to January 7th. Why the f-word did you decide to join that particular church ? Especially so late in life ? Because he's an idiot and worships graven images.
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Post by cyberobb99 on Dec 12, 2012 23:07:31 GMT -5
I'd be curious to hear about people's favorite Christmas cuisine. My wife and I used to fix a traditional turkey dinner at Christmas, but-- after we joined the Russian Orthodox Church in 1997-- we have not been allowed to eat meat during the Orthodox Nativity fast, from Thanksgiving to January 7th. So, nowadays, I usually grill salmon filets for Christmas (with a soy sauce/sesame oil /dill marinade) and serve them with a horse radish/ dill sauce. Good stuff. But I miss the turkey. (My wife makes a cranberry chutney to die for at Thanksgiving.) Another traditional Christmas favorite in my family is potica (po--teet-za), a Slovenian walnut bread that my mother used to make. My sister has been making potica in recent years, but it's not quite as good as the stuff my mother used to make. Potica ![](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/3724879092_b6af9c132b.jpg) My wife and I spend every other Christmas with her family in the Myrtle Beach, SC area, where she's from. On years that we're home it has been a recent tradition for me to prepare Osso Bucco with homemade yeast rolls and roasted winter vegetables for Christmas dinner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 23:12:14 GMT -5
1961, The eastern Orthodox Church is the authentic, 2,000 year old Church established by the Apostles at Pentecost (along with the Latin "Roman Catholic" half of the ancient Church.) It was preserved and protected primarily by the Russian Emperor after Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453. Moscow was the "Third Rome." (Rome fell to the Ostrogoths in 410 A.D., and Byzantium fell in 1453.) Christendom ended in 1917 with the execution of Tsar Nicholas II by the Bolsheviks, but the traditional Russian Orthodox Church was preserved by the White Russian exiles to Western Europe, America, and Australia until May of 2007, when Putin and the KGB hierarchs of the pseudo-church in Moscow took over the ROCOR in an internal political coup. I am a member of the part of the White Russian Church that did not accept the KGB take over in 2007. Our chief heirarch is Metropolitan Agafangel of Odessa-- one of the few Russian bishops who was not successfully bribed or broken by the KGB by 2006. Agafangel is still alive (in the Ukraine) but may not survive for long, IMO. ROCOR Metropolitan Agafangel ![](http://nftu-forums-orthodox-tradition-discussion.18061.n6.nabble.com/file/n4884726/Bishop-Agafangel1.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 23:17:26 GMT -5
So willie, is your church adorned with graven images?
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Post by Coaltrain on Dec 13, 2012 6:17:02 GMT -5
1961, I am a member of the part of the White Russian Church that did not accept the KGB take over in 2007. Our chief heirarch is Metropolitan Agafangel of Odessa-- one of the few Russian bishops who was not successfully bribed or broken by the KGB by 2006. Agafangel is still alive (in the Ukraine) but may not survive for long, IMO. ROCOR Metropolitan Agafangel Sometimes I hate it when I agree with 1961/Flotus, but I have got to ask you again----Why did you join this church?? In one simple sentence please. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Coaltrain on Dec 13, 2012 6:20:48 GMT -5
I'd be curious to hear about people's favorite Christmas cuisine. My wife and I used to fix a traditional turkey dinner at Christmas, but-- after we joined the Russian Orthodox Church in 1997-- we have not been allowed to eat meat during the Orthodox Nativity fast, from Thanksgiving to January 7th. So, nowadays, I usually grill salmon filets for Christmas (with a soy sauce/sesame oil /dill marinade) and serve them with a horse radish/ dill sauce. Good stuff. But I miss the turkey. (My wife makes a cranberry chutney to die for at Thanksgiving.) Another traditional Christmas favorite in my family is potica (po--teet-za), a Slovenian walnut bread that my mother used to make. My sister has been making potica in recent years, but it's not quite as good as the stuff my mother used to make. That meal sounds wonderful, but honestly, I hate being told what to do. There is no way in Hell, I would let a religion dictate my diet. Christmas this year, I am going to do Roast Duck with that orange sauce. My son makes the sauce. Not sure what else I am putting with it, I'm winging it. ;D
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Post by AlaCowboy on Dec 13, 2012 6:51:54 GMT -5
My wife and I used to fix a traditional turkey dinner at Christmas, but-- after we joined the Russian Orthodox Church in 1997-- we have not been allowed to eat meat during the Orthodox Nativity fast, from Thanksgiving to January 7th. Why the f-word did you decide to join that particular church ? Especially so late in life ? Dammit!! Why did you have to get him started again? He's as bad as any Branch Davidian or Jim Jones cult member. Just wish he'd drink the koolaid and torch his house. It would spare us all.
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Post by cyberobb99 on Dec 13, 2012 6:58:34 GMT -5
That meal sounds wonderful, but honestly, I hate being told what to do. There is no way in Hell, I would let a religion dictate my diet. Christmas this year, I am going to do Roast Duck with that orange sauce. My son makes the sauce. Not sure what else I am putting with it, I'm winging it. ;D[/quote] Try reserving he drippings from that duck...chill to separate the fat and SAVE THAT FAT!!!! If you use that "duck butter" to fry potatoes for breakfast on New Year's Day you'll see why. (Also, if you save enough duck fat you can use it to cook duck confit' later.) In regards to "What to eat" from Wilie's church, I would share with you this scripture, (but then afterward this line of discussion is more appropriate on the God Stuff page.) 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by[c] Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[d] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[e]
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
In other words, the Old Order Church requirements that it's members not eat meat at such-and-such a time is in contravention to the Scriptures, which is why I do not follow such restrictions. (However, neither do I condemn anyone who chooses to follow that tradition in liberty and celebration, rather than believing that he is somehow commanded to by the Church.)
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Post by Coaltrain on Dec 13, 2012 7:29:11 GMT -5
Why the f-word did you decide to join that particular church ? Especially so late in life ? Dammit!! Why did you have to get him started again? He's as bad as any Branch Davidian or Jim Jones cult member. Just wish he'd drink the koolaid and torch his house. It would spare us all.![](http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/hahaha-024.gif) sorry ![](http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/hahaha-024.gif)
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Post by Coaltrain on Dec 13, 2012 7:39:39 GMT -5
Try reserving he drippings from that duck...chill to separate the fat and SAVE THAT FAT!!!! If you use that "duck butter" to fry potatoes for breakfast on New Year's Day you'll see why. (Also, if you save enough duck fat you can use it to cook duck confit' later.) In regards to "What to eat" from Wilie's church, I would share with you this scripture, (but then afterward this line of discussion is more appropriate on the God Stuff page.) 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. In other words, the Old Order Church requirements that it's members not eat meat at such-and-such a time is in contravention to the Scriptures, which is why I do not follow such restrictions. (However, neither do I condemn anyone who chooses to follow that tradition in liberty and celebration, rather than believing that he is somehow commanded to by the Church.) okay. Gotchya. Each his own. I can handle that. I will try to do the reserving of the duck fat thing. I appreciate your help. TY
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 10:14:11 GMT -5
Where's willie the cultist?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 12:49:20 GMT -5
Robb,
What utter misinterpretation. Do you really not know that the scriptures, themselves, have instructed us from the very beginning of the history of the Church to "hold fast to the traditions" taught by the Apostles and those that they ordained to govern the Church? And what Church did they establish in Jerusalem, Antioch, Greece, Alexandria, and Rome from the beginning? Study some actual ecclesiastical history for a change. It was always the Orthodox/Catholic Church.
What do you think St. Paul meant by "traditions?" The Church theoria and praxis was NEVER based on "sola scriptura," as Martin Luther argued 1,500 years later. The Church (now Orthodox/Roman Catholic) was always guided by both the traditions, and scriptures, of the Apostles.
The "sola scriptura" concept of Martin Luther and Protestantism is not even scriptural. I know, because I was raised as a Protestant, and excelled far above my peers in the study of scripture.
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