The Logical Characteristics of Valid Theories

[DrSchadenfreude]

        One of the reasons that Walter, Daleko, Harry, and Cowboy have never properly understood the PNAC 9/11 op, (which was used to launch the Bush-Cheney "War on Terror" in 2001) is that they don't really understand the logical characteristics of valid scientific, forensic, and historical theories.

        How do I know this?  By looking at the kinds of questions they raise, and consistently dodge, in our 9/11 debates.

        Let me explain this in terms of philosophical logic and the philosophy of science.  Anyone who has studied and understood science (physics, chemistry, biology) will understand what I'm talking about here.  And the same philosophical logic undergirding valid scientific theories applies to solving crimes and historical phenomena.

       !)  Any valid scientific (forensic, historical) theory must explain the definitive facts.  That's what theory is-- an integrated, explanatory framework for understanding the facts.

       2) A theory is more easily debunked, logically, than validated.

       3) All that is necessary to debunk any theory is to demonstrate that it is contradicted by a known fact.

       4) Conversely, an explanatory theory is not invalidated by an absence of evidence. 

NOW, IN THE CASE OF 9/11, LET'S ANALYZE THE OFFICIAL BUSH-CHENEY-ZELIKOW CONSPIRACY THEORY.


This theory posits that the 9/11 attacks on the WTC and Pentagon were carried out by 19 alleged Muslim jihadist hijackers working for Osama Bin Laden (identified only by photos and names on a computer left in a rental car at Boston Logan Airport with a copy of the Koran) who boarded airplanes in Boston, Newark, and Washington, D.C. with box cutters, then hijacked the planes in mid-air with box cutters and flew the planes into the two WTC towers and a wall of the Pentagon, utterly demolishing massive steel skyscrapers with trickle-down kerosene (jet fuel) from upper level floors.

That's a concise, accurate summary of the official U.S. government conspiracy theory theory about what happened on 9/11.

To wit, it was a conspiracy between Osama Bin Laden and a group of 19 alleged Muslim hijackers.


Debunking the Bush-Cheney-Zelikow 9/11 conspiracy theory


1)  It is a clearly proven scientific fact that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were not explosively demolished and pulverized by trickling jet fuel from upper floors, nor from the force of gravity pancaking upper floors onto lower floors in a "pile driver" effect.

     How do we know this to be true?

     First of all, from simply studying the obvious visual and audio footage of the explosive demolitions.

     Secondly, by studying the physics of the free fall collapses of these three towers-- which indicates abrupt-onset, synchronized demolition of the entire steel sub-structures of the buildings (so that they collapsed symmetrically against zero resistance at roughly the acceleration of gravity.)  Burning jet fuel and office furniture on upper floors could not have caused the abrupt, symmetrical, synchronized demolition of the entire steel sub-structure-- all the way to the ground level.  At most, fires could have caused gradual, step-wise, asymmetrical, pancaking of upper floors-- if that!

      Thirdly, burning jet fuel on upper floors could not possibly have liquified the steel girders and explosively pulverized 900,000 tons of concrete in the WTC towers, as observed.

      The notion is utterly absurd.

       Ergo, the scientific evidence of explosive demolitions (including WTC7, which was never hit by an airplane) debunks a central premise of the Bush-Cheney-Zelikow 9/11 theory. It's false.

2)   Secondarily, FBI Director Robert Mueller and Vice President Dick Cheney, ultimately, told Congress and the 9/11 Commission, respectively, that they never found a scrap of evidence linking long-time CIA asset Osama Bin Laden to 9/11.  The televised military videos and tapes claiming that Osama Bin Laden took credit for 9/11 are proven forgeries,and Bin Laden, himself, publicly denied any involvement in the 9/11 op.

3)   There is no photographic or video evidence that any of the 19 Logan computer-file "hijackers" ever boarded the airplanes that crashed into the WTC towers.  Nor were any of them isted on the passenger flight manifests.

4)   The alleged phone calls from airplanes establishing the Bush-Cheney-Zelikow narrative that hijackers with box cutters hijacked the planes NEVER HAPPENED, according to the FBI, itself.

  

[Walter]

Still waiting for you to tell us what happened to the flight crews.
Will you be posting that info soon?

[DrSchadenfreude]

PART II-- So, since the official Bush-Cheney-Zelikow 9/11 conspiracy theory is false, what really happened on 9/11?

Is there an alternate, valid theory that DOES explain the established facts?

This must be the starting point for any valid inquiry and debate about the subject.

We do have important facts, but many pieces of the puzzle are missing-- mainly because the U.S. government has controlled and destroyed a great deal of the forensic evidence.

Established Facts For Any Valid 9/11 Theory

1)  WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were professionally demolished on 9/11 by synchronized, steel-melting, concrete pulverizing explosives.  Expert crews with access to the WTC placed explosives in those buildings prior to 9/11.  Who were they?  Who were they working for?

2)   Who planted the evidence implicating 19 alleged Muslim hijackers in the 9/11 attacks-- the computer in the rental car at Logan International, and the unscathed Muslim passports at the Pentagon and Ground Zero that miraculously survived plane crashes that obliterated all black boxes, luggage, metal chairs, fuselages, etc.?

3)    Who faked the alleged phone calls from the airplanes-- including the phone calls to Bush's Solicitor General Ted Olson from his wife on AA77, Fox News commentator Barbara Olson?

4)    Who immediately blamed the 9/11 attacks on Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda on U.S. and European television?  (Answer:  Henry Kissinger, (Sky) former Israeli PM Ehud Barak, (BBC) and Kissinger & Associates CEO L. Paul Bremer (CNN.)

5)   Who blocked standard protocol USAF responses to the hijacking of airplanes on 9/11?  Who organized the USAF War Games on 9/11 that involved simulated airplane hijackings?

Unknowns

But there are still many unknowns about 9/11-- largely resulting from the suppression and destruction of evidence by the Bush-Cheney government.

This is where the ignorance of Walter, Daleko, Harry, and Cowboy Ra mey about the logical characteristics of valid theories is so obvious.

The fact that we still know so little about many of the hidden details of 9/11 does not, in itself, invalidate a working alternate theory of the 9/11 op.

And the absence of some evidence is not evidence of absence.

Most importantly, the missing pieces of the 9/11 puzzle DO NOT validate the official Bush-Cheney-Zelikow 9/11 narrative.

THAT HAS ALREADY, CLEARLY BEEN DEBUNKED.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Feb 12, 2021 13:37:11 GMT -5 Walter said:

Still waiting for you to tell us what happened to the flight crews.
Will you be posting that info soon?

Pay attention, Walter.

Read my analysis and learn something, for once.

[oujour76]

Feb 12, 2021 13:37:11 GMT -5 Walter said:

Still waiting for you to tell us what happened to the flight crews.
Will you be posting that info soon?

They're with Elvis. On that desert island. Along with the passengers that didn't exist.

[Walter]

Feb 12, 2021 13:44:12 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Feb 12, 2021 13:37:11 GMT -5 Walter said:

Still waiting for you to tell us what happened to the flight crews.
Will you be posting that info soon?

Pay attention, Walter.

Read my analysis and learn something, for once.

Nope.
We shall start at the beginning of this infamous day.
Planes take off.
You claim they were remote controlled.

That is the current topic.

I asked you a question related to that assertion that the pilots reported to be flying those planes really were not.
Until you tell us what happened to the flight crews, we can go no further in our discussion.
.

[AlaCowboy]

Feb 12, 2021 14:36:17 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Feb 12, 2021 13:37:11 GMT -5 Walter said:

Still waiting for you to tell us what happened to the flight crews.
Will you be posting that info soon?

They're with Elvis. On that desert island. Along with the passengers that didn't exist.

The FDFD starts off his game of dodgeball with this illogic:

" One of the reasons that Walter, Daleko, Harry, and Cowboy have never properly understood the PNAC 9/11 op, (which was used to launch the Bush-Cheney "War on Terror" in 2001) is that they don't really understand the logical characteristics of valid scientific, forensic, and historical theories.

How do I know this? By looking at the kinds of questions they raise, and consistently dodge, in our 9/11 debates."

Consider that The FDFD (aka the world renowned Dr. William Ernest Nie der hut) has consistently dodged answering two questions:
1- Where were the flight crews and passengers of the four airplanes hidden by the government and why haven't they come forward to expose their kidnapping?
2- Why one of the many thousands of employees and visitors to the World Trade Center towers never came forward and told of their seeing hundreds of "explosives experts" spending weeks tearing away walls and placing tons of explosives around the structural beams of the towers.
Yet, this same loony bird claims that the four intelligent members of this forum he called out don't understand that which he never explains. Answering those two questions would give substance to the amorphous fantasies he tells.
Just one person with video evidence, or to prove they were the person reported to have died on one of those airplanes, would blow this supposed conspiracy onto the front pages of every newspaper and on every TV screen around the world. Yet, The FDFD not only can't produce these people, he won't even answer the questions asked of him.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Feb 12, 2021 15:08:09 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 12, 2021 13:44:12 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Pay attention, Walter.

Read my analysis and learn something, for once.

Nope.
We shall start at the beginning of this infamous day.
Planes take off.
You claim they were remote controlled.

That is the current topic.

I asked you a question related to that assertion that the pilots reported to be flying those planes really were not.
Until you tell us what happened to the flight crews, we can go no further in our discussion.
.

WRONG.  I STARTED THIS THREAD, THEN YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT!!

 THE TOPIC HERE IS "THE LOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF VALID THEORIES," AND THE FACT THAT THE OFFICIAL BUSH-CHENEY-ZELIKOW CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11 HAS BEEN DEBUNKED.  IT IS INVALID. PERIOD.

1.  The WTC buildings were explosively demolished.  2.  There is no evidence linking long-time CIA asset Osama Bin Laden to 9/11 (per Robert Mueller and Dick Cheney.)
3.  There is no evidence that 19 Muslim hijackers boarded any planes in Boston, Newark, or D.C. on 9/11.

THAT IS THE STARTING POINT FOR ANY RATIONAL, INFORMED DISCUSSION ABOUT 9/11-- INCLUDING THE SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS OF THE ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS FOR 9/11 TRUTH.

Therefore, we must formulate a valid, working theory that explains the known facts.  You guys have none.

LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO FINALLY UNDERSTAND.

Proposition A:  The U.S. government narrative/theory about 9/11 is patently false.

Given that A is false, we need to formulate an accurate explanatory theory of 9/11.

We don't have all of the hidden pieces of the puzzle, (e.g., the FBI-confiscated videocams at the Pentagon, the alleged missing black boxes, the confiscated FAA tapes, and full FBI files on the five Israeli Mossad agents arrested on 9/11 at the Holland Tunnel.)  But we have a some of them.

Can you, Harry, Daleko, and Cowboy, at least, understand that much?

(I won't hold my breath!)

[Walter]

Feb 12, 2021 21:51:50 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Feb 12, 2021 15:08:09 GMT -5 Walter said:

Nope.
We shall start at the beginning of this infamous day.
Planes take off.
You claim they were remote controlled.

That is the current topic.

I asked you a question related to that assertion that the pilots reported to be flying those planes really were not.
Until you tell us what happened to the flight crews, we can go no further in our discussion.
.

WRONG.  I STARTED THIS THREAD, THEN YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT!!

 THE TOPIC HERE IS "THE LOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF VALID THEORIES," AND THE FACT THAT THE OFFICIAL BUSH-CHENEY-ZELIKOW CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11 HAS BEEN DEBUNKED.  IT IS INVALID. PERIOD.

1.  The WTC buildings were explosively demolished.  2.  There is no evidence linking long-time CIA asset Osama Bin Laden to 9/11 (per Robert Mueller and Dick Cheney.)
3.  There is no evidence that 19 Muslim hijackers boarded any planes in Boston, Newark, or D.C. on 9/11.

THAT IS THE STARTING POINT FOR ANY RATIONAL, INFORMED DISCUSSION ABOUT 9/11-- INCLUDING THE SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS OF THE ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS FOR 9/11 TRUTH.

Therefore, we must formulate a valid, working theory that explains the known facts.  You guys have none.

LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO FINALLY UNDERSTAND.

Proposition A:  The U.S. government narrative/theory about 9/11 is patently false.

Given that A is false, we need to formulate an accurate explanatory theory of 9/11.

We don't have all of the hidden pieces of the puzzle, (e.g., the FBI-confiscated videocams at the Pentagon, the alleged missing black boxes, the confiscated FAA tapes, and full FBI files on the five Israeli Mossad agents arrested on 9/11 at the Holland Tunnel.)  But we have a some of them.

Can you, Harry, Daleko, and Cowboy, at least, understand that much?

(I won't hold my breath!)

Well then, you won't get a response from me. I could not care less about "valid theory".
I just want to know what happened.
If you are right and there were no pilots, where is the flight crew today?

[oujour76]

Feb 12, 2021 23:55:23 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 12, 2021 21:51:50 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

WRONG.  I STARTED THIS THREAD, THEN YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT!!

 THE TOPIC HERE IS "THE LOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF VALID THEORIES," AND THE FACT THAT THE OFFICIAL BUSH-CHENEY-ZELIKOW CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11 HAS BEEN DEBUNKED.  IT IS INVALID. PERIOD.

1.  The WTC buildings were explosively demolished.  2.  There is no evidence linking long-time CIA asset Osama Bin Laden to 9/11 (per Robert Mueller and Dick Cheney.)
3.  There is no evidence that 19 Muslim hijackers boarded any planes in Boston, Newark, or D.C. on 9/11.

THAT IS THE STARTING POINT FOR ANY RATIONAL, INFORMED DISCUSSION ABOUT 9/11-- INCLUDING THE SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS OF THE ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS FOR 9/11 TRUTH.

Therefore, we must formulate a valid, working theory that explains the known facts.  You guys have none.

LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO FINALLY UNDERSTAND.

Proposition A:  The U.S. government narrative/theory about 9/11 is patently false.

Given that A is false, we need to formulate an accurate explanatory theory of 9/11.

We don't have all of the hidden pieces of the puzzle, (e.g., the FBI-confiscated videocams at the Pentagon, the alleged missing black boxes, the confiscated FAA tapes, and full FBI files on the five Israeli Mossad agents arrested on 9/11 at the Holland Tunnel.)  But we have a some of them.

Can you, Harry, Daleko, and Cowboy, at least, understand that much?

(I won't hold my breath!)

Well then, you won't get a response from me. I could not care less about "valid theory".
I just want to know what happened.
If you are right and there were no pilots, where is the flight crew today?

FWIW, rumor has it they voted in 2020. In Wisconsin. 😎😁

[Walter]

Feb 13, 2021 0:19:07 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Feb 12, 2021 23:55:23 GMT -5 Walter said:

Well then, you won't get a response from me. I could not care less about "valid theory".
I just want to know what happened.
If you are right and there were no pilots, where is the flight crew today?

FWIW, rumor has it they voted in 2020. In Wisconsin. 😎😁

Hmmm. Deplane in Pittsburgh; switch on autopilot; take off again; crash plane into ground near Starksville; sequester passengers in secret location; send in planeful of mailin ballots, 100% for Biden in a close, swing state election. File lawsuit contesting result, citing anomalies.
It's finally coming together.

[oujour76]

Feb 13, 2021 9:38:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 13, 2021 0:19:07 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

FWIW, rumor has it they voted in 2020. In Wisconsin. 😎😁

Hmmm. Deplane in Pittsburgh; switch on autopilot; take off again; crash plane into ground near Starksville; sequester passengers in secret location; send in planeful of mailin ballots, 100% for Biden in a close, swing state election. File lawsuit contesting result, citing anomalies.
It's finally coming together.

Well, duh.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Feb 13, 2021 12:27:54 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Feb 13, 2021 9:38:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

Hmmm. Deplane in Pittsburgh; switch on autopilot; take off again; crash plane into ground near Starksville; sequester passengers in secret location; send in planeful of mailin ballots, 100% for Biden in a close, swing state election. File lawsuit contesting result, citing anomalies.
It's finally coming together.

Walter,

     You and your fellow hairy chickens here are, obviously, incapable of understanding what did and did not happen on 9/11-- and not for lack of being shown the data, repeatedly.

     IMO, your persistent confusion is partly due to your limited knowledge of science, (physics and chemistry) and also to your cognitive blinders and erroneous a priori assumptions-- conditioned by the psy ops related to PNAC's 9/11 false flag op.

     The fact is, you, Daleko, and Harry have no valid, explanatory theory about what happened on 9/11.  For example, who, in your opinion, placed the explosives in Larry Silverstein's WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 towers prior to 9/11?  Why was the story of the explosive demolition of WTC7 completely blacked out of the U.S. media?

    Why were Dominick Suter's five Mossad agents caught filming and celebrating the demolitions of WTC1 and WTC2 on 9/11?  Why were they secretly released by the FBI to Israel?  Why was that story blacked out of the mainstream U.S. media for the past 19 1/2 years?

     Why did Henry Kissinger, Ehud Barak, and L. Paul Bremer immediately blame Osama Bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" for the 9/11 attacks on world television-- when the FBI, and Dick Cheney, ultimately admitted to Congress and the 9/11 Commission that there was no evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11?

      You have no explanation.  You can't even allow yourselves to acknowledge the questions!

     As for the details about the flights on 9/11-- passenger manifests, pilots, wreckage-- they are complicated issues in formulating a valid theory about the Crime of the 21st Century.

     We do know, for certain, that some of the official Bush-Cheney government narratives about the 9/11 flights and passengers are patently false.

      The alleged Barbara Olson phone calls from AA77 never happened.  Who concocted that false narrative, and why?  (Hint: It was a critical component of the fictional government narrative about Muslim hijackers with "box cutters.")

      No Muslim passengers boarded the flights on 9/11.  They aren't on CCTV video cams or the passenger manifests-- YET their paper passports were miraculously found at the crash sites, where the black boxes, luggage, airplanes, and passengers were all obliterated!  Do you actually believe that PNAC horseshit, dude?

      Why did none of the alleged pilots activate their cockpit hijack alarms-- standard protocol.  (Read murdered pilot Phillip Marshall's expose of the 9/11 flight anomalies-- The Big Bamboozle.)

[Walter]

Where are the flight crews of the 4 planes?

[DrSchadenfreude]

Feb 13, 2021 12:59:19 GMT -5 Walter said:

Where are the flight crews of the 4 planes?

Let's assume that they're dead.

Now, explain who placed the steel-melting, concrete-pulverizing explosives in Larry Silverstein's WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 skyscrapers prior to 9/11.

Your answer goes here:____________________________________________________________________________________.

Then explain why Dominick Suter's five Mossad agents were caught filming and celebrating the WTC demolitions.

And why the FBI secretly released them to Israel.

And why the MSM blacked out that story for 19 years.

And why the alleged Barbara Olson phone calls from flight AA77 never happened.

And why the USAF failed to intercept the hijacked flights according to established protocols.

And why none of the alleged Muslim "hijackers" were listed on flight manifests or seen on airport CCTV video cams (yet, their passports miraculously survived the plane crashes!)

Ready, go!