JAMA Study-- Horse Paste Doesn't Mitigate COVID Infections

[cbisbig]

Feb 22, 2022 14:50:50 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 22, 2022 13:20:11 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

How can i forget, been thru a lot of drama with family members health issues the past 6-7 years, specifically the past 2-3.
Learned shit about doctors (quacks) i never would have imagined.

As have I.
I learned, and I bet you learned, that just like in all professions, somebody in Med school had to be at the bottom of the class, and they're out there, walking the halls in lab coats.
That's a long way from indicting the entire profession and their signature medical publication.

Same with architectects, but im not judging the profession based on your obnoxious attitude.

SC and NC are in the bottom 5 in health care in the US.
Cali is probably top 5

My mom and my wife both had to go out of state to get the specialized care they needed due to mistakes or ignorance from the money hungry doctors around here.

And don't even get me started on my daughters mom in laws covid fiasco

[dilligaf]

Feb 22, 2022 14:50:50 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 22, 2022 13:20:11 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

How can i forget, been thru a lot of drama with family members health issues the past 6-7 years, specifically the past 2-3.
Learned shit about doctors (quacks) i never would have imagined.

As have I.
I learned, and I bet you learned, that just like in all professions, somebody in Med school had to be at the bottom of the class, and they're out there, walking the halls in lab coats.
That's a long way from indicting the entire profession and their signature medical publication.

Since their official stance is anti-gun, AMA and their official comic book can all go take a flying leap.

[Walter]

Feb 23, 2022 0:26:13 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Feb 22, 2022 14:50:50 GMT -5 Walter said:

As have I.
I learned, and I bet you learned, that just like in all professions, somebody in Med school had to be at the bottom of the class, and they're out there, walking the halls in lab coats.
That's a long way from indicting the entire profession and their signature medical publication.

Since their official stance is anti-gun, AMA and their official comic book can all go take a flying leap.

Noting that guns are involved in a large number of deaths in America is just a plain fact.
Killing the messenger won't change that.

[Panama pfRedd]

You stupid ass holes. Yes, you.

New JAMA paper show Ivermectin blows the COVID vaccines out of the water

Whoops! How embarrassing! The CDC gave you bad advice. If you want to survive COVID, you should use the drug they said to avoid, and avoid the drug they said to use.

Steve Kirsch

Remember that “horse dewormer” that the FDA, CDC, NIH, CNN, and Sanjay Gupta all told you not to use? A new paper recently published in the Journal of the AMA (JAMA) shows that Ivermectin works way better than the COVID vaccine in keeping you from dying from COVID.

This was an open-label randomized trial done in Malaysia with around 250 patients in each arm. One arm got IVM + standard of care, the other arm got the standard of care.

Of course, JAMA never would have published this if they thought that people would actually look at the data. The abstract says: “The study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for patients with COVID-19.” You are supposed to read the abstract and believe that ivermectin has no effect.

In fact, that’s exactly what people do even when you tell them expressly to ignore that:

Do not fall for it. Read the paper if you want the truth. If you want to be misled, just read the abstract.

Pierre Kory did a brilliant takedown of the paper on his substack. I won’t repeat that here. Instead, I’ll just summarize the data for you; the hidden gems in the paper that you are never supposed to notice.
The data

The lower the p-value, the more significant the result is. A Chi-squared test was used. Data came from the JAMA paper appendix.
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Interpretation of the data

So there are five takeaways from the study:

Vaccine efficacy in the real world is quite small. If you got vaccinated, it reduced your chance of death by just 24%. However, the study did NOT look at the all-cause mortality of the vaccine (it only enrolled people who survived the vaccine), so the tiny absolute risk reduction you get from a 24% relative risk reduction (roughly 24% of .25% =.06% benefit) is less than the absolute risk of dying from the vaccine (around .2%). See Incriminating Evidence for details on this.

If you were not vaccinated (which you shouldn’t be), ivermectin reduced your chance of death by 72%. So it was 3 times more effective than the vaccine. But the risk of ivermectin is negligible so the risk-benefit ratio is extremely favorable. Ivermectin has a 3X effect size (benefit) and is more than 100,000X less risky with respect to death risk, killing nobody (compared to over 200,000 people from the vaccine). So it’s the clear choice. It’s the only rational choice.

The vaccine did provide a SMALL incremental benefit if you took both (10% lower risk), but it’s a non-starter since the risk-benefit analysis doesn’t support ever using the vaccine.

If we want to reduce deaths, ivermectin is the way to go. Avoid the vaccine entirely.

There is no way you have a paper like this with 431,000 views and just two comments. This implies that virtually all the comments were counter-narrative and were censored from public view. That in itself is stunning.

Note that multidrug protocols that use ivermectin are much better than ivermectin alone. For example, the Fareed Tyson protocol has treated 10,000 people with no deaths, whereas in this study, 1 of the 75 unvaccinated people who got ivermectin died (1.3%). Multidrug protocols are clearly the way to go.
Acknowledgment

I want to thank Massimaux for highlighting what the study said in his tweet.
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In the I-TECH study, of 490 patients, 241 got Ivermectin and 331 were vaccinated.

Can we compute the vaccine effectiveness AGAINST DEATH and Ivermectin effectiveness AGAINST DEATH? Yes, we can! See the figure.

Which prevented more deaths, The Vaccine or Ivermectin?
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February 20th 2022
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Summary

It doesn’t get much better than this. A paper published in JAMA showing ivermectin is three times better than the vaccines in preventing death. Combined with the risk data of the vaccines, it’s clear that if you are given a choice, you’d always choose ivermectin and never choose the vaccine.

Will this paper make a difference? I don’t think so.

stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-jama-paper-show-ivermectin-blows?utm_source=url

[Panama pfRedd]

And yet, even now, if you google ivermectin Covid-19 every single blurb says why it is ineffective, even DANGEROUS to use. Ivermectin is one of the safest drugs you can take. It is nearly impossible to overdose on. And as it’s been proven time and again, it is effective in treating the flu-like cold germ known as Covid.

[Panama pfRedd]

They are buying time in hopes of finding/generating another reason to extend it. The most painful wound a tyrant will ever experience is the relinquishment of power.

[Walter]

Whiner-in-Chief posts more lying garbage...
In other news, the sky, it turns out, is blue.

[Panama pfRedd]

Another good video from Jimmy Dore concerning Joy Behar and the View.
She's decided to ignore the "experts" and wear a mask forever, yet as she says this indoors, she's not wearing one.
And the hypocrisy, it's okay for her to ignore experts and do what she wants, yet anyone else who does so should be canceled because of "mis-information". What a whack job.
I'm fine with people wearing a mask if they want, just stop forcing others to do it.

[cbisbig]

Feb 23, 2022 10:11:30 GMT -5 Walter said:

Whiner-in-Chief posts more lying garbage...
In other news, the sky, it turns out, is blue.

Whats he lying about?

[Panama pfRedd]

Feb 23, 2022 10:43:34 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 23, 2022 10:11:30 GMT -5 Walter said:

Whiner-in-Chief posts more lying garbage...
In other news, the sky, it turns out, is blue.

Whats he lying about?

He thinks he's NOT a stupid ass hole apparently.

[Walter]

Feb 23, 2022 10:43:34 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 23, 2022 10:11:30 GMT -5 Walter said:

Whiner-in-Chief posts more lying garbage...
In other news, the sky, it turns out, is blue.

Whats he lying about?

"If you were not vaccinated (which you shouldn’t be), ivermectin reduced your chance of death by 72%. So it was 3 times more effective than the vaccine."

FLAT OUT LIE.
One of many.

[Panama pfRedd]

^^^^^ this ass hole whines in EVERY FLiCKING THREAD. Whiner in chief indeed.

[Walter]

Feb 23, 2022 10:59:45 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

^^^^^ this ass hole whines in EVERY FLiCKING THREAD. Whiner in chief indeed.

Pointing out errors and lies is not whining.
And we get yet another concept you cannot grasp.

[Panama pfRedd]

^^^^^^ this son of a bitch whines at every FLlCKING post I make on his shit forum.

[Panama pfRedd]

First step though is to lift the mandates, this eliminates the situation where Ken and Karen's directly confront non mask wearing people, the situation changes without mandates, outings become civilized again.

The psywar waged by control freaks using the Pandemic for political gain, what they did to the world's children and youth is repulsive.

If anything, the people in charge should be jailed for the damage they did to people's minds for a generation...