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Post by trnyerheadncough on Sept 14, 2014 9:11:55 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what qualifies as good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 11:23:21 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what qualifies as good. That depends on your point of view. The Kentucky team I saw last night is greatly improved over last year. They are a good team. Mark Stoops is doing an outstanding job. I watched a lot of Arkansas kicking Texas Tech's rear all over the field. The piggies will be competitive. Both Mississippi schools are good. When was the last time that could be said? OU covered the spread against UT, but it wasn't easy. Other than Vandy, I don't see an easy out against any of the SEC teams. What's your view from the ACC cheap seats?
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Post by Lee The Locksmith on Sept 14, 2014 11:37:16 GMT -5
UF 36 UK 30 Just a walk in the park in triple overtime. It was 20-20 at the end of regulation. Congrats to Coach Mark Stoops and UK. The cats are a much improved team. (IMO) The Gators defense was definitely porous last night and they were lucky to get the win .....Congrats anyway...They won't get lucky like that against a real team....nope
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Sept 14, 2014 12:31:12 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what qualifies as good. That depends on your point of view. The Kentucky team I saw last night is greatly improved over last year. They are a good team. Mark Stoops is doing an outstanding job. I watched a lot of Arkansas kicking Texas Tech's rear all over the field. The piggies will be competitive. Both Mississippi schools are good. When was the last time that could be said? OU covered the spread against UT, but it wasn't easy. Other than Vandy, I don't see an easy out against any of the SEC teams. What's your view from the ACC cheap seats? I agree 100% that Kentucky is greatly improved this year...but I wouldn't classify them as "good"...nor would I classify UF that way either based on how they've played so far. A bowl team is not a good team. To me...good teams are 11-25ish in the nation. Elite is 1-10. Solid is 25-40. Mediocre is 41-70ish. Beyond that...who cares. Vandy is the only team "beyond that". Admittedly, we only have a few games to make these calls so far, but it looks to me that the SEC has 2 elite teams...about 3-4 good teams, and 3-4 other solid teams. Right now...UF is mediocre. Kentucky is mediocre (which is a vast improvement over last year). Arkansas is mediocre. Tennessee is mediocre. With that said, that is much better than the ACC in my opinion, who has 1 elite team, 2 good teams, and 4-5 solid teams. Right now, the ACC also really only has 1 "bad" team right now in Wake Forest...but I'd probably put NCSU at >70 right now...although while a win over South Florida is nothing to brag about...the way they beat them is encouraging... But back to my original point...after watching UGA-USC this weekend...both are probably going to beat UF if the Gators don't find some offense, but it doesn't look like either of those teams could beat Bama, or Auburn, or even TAMU or LSU.
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 14, 2014 12:33:35 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what qualifies as good. That depends on your point of view. The Kentucky team I saw last night is greatly improved over last year. They are a good team. Mark Stoops is doing an outstanding job. I watched a lot of Arkansas kicking Texas Tech's rear all over the field. The piggies will be competitive. Both Mississippi schools are good. When was the last time that could be said? OU covered the spread against UT, but it wasn't easy. Other than Vandy, I don't see an easy out against any of the SEC teams. What's your view from the ACC cheap seats? Not from the acc, but I saw ark-tt 2nd half and most of Uga-usce. Bielemas team is much improved. Dawgs threw a winnable game away in a tough environment. Auburns win over the hogs may look better as the season goes on. Could be the most balanced sec has been since '07, when very game it seemed was up for grabs. Mark Scott Tosu 81
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Sept 14, 2014 12:55:46 GMT -5
I think Arkansas is improved over last year, but if you looked at Texas Tech's games leading up to this one this weekend, you could smell an Arkansas victory with ease.
Texas Tech gave up a shade under 500 rushing yards to teams that aren't in the same zip code as Arkansas from a running game standpoint.
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 14, 2014 19:11:22 GMT -5
I think Arkansas is improved over last year, but if you looked at Texas Tech's games leading up to this one this weekend, you could smell an Arkansas victory with ease. Texas Tech gave up a shade under 500 rushing yards to teams that aren't in the same zip code as Arkansas from a running game standpoint. true. but arkansas also was hanging right there w/auburn until that weather delay, and au turned it around from there. hogs had lost 10 straight and now have 2 wins in a row. i'm not a bielema fan by any means but they deserve a little love. look at their schedule, too. from here on out, it's... n. illinois (best team in the mac) @ texas a&m alabama georgia uab (there's a win) @ miss. st. lsu miss @ mizzou add auburn for the opener and that might be the toughest schedule in the country. mark scott tosu 81
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Sept 14, 2014 19:48:03 GMT -5
That was Auburn without Nick Marshall.
And I did give Arkansas some love. I think they're mediocre this year...which is a step up from plain old bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 19:55:01 GMT -5
Trn, you are a tough grader. However, you're fos. This time last year, Auburn was mediocre by your definition. Some would say they were lucky to win some close games. That didn't stop them from being a final minute away from beating FSU and winning the final BCSNC.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 20:16:04 GMT -5
CJ Worton broke his hand in practice last week. He probably won't be back until at UT or LSU.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 0:28:32 GMT -5
Bama opened as a 17 1/2 point favorite. It'll be interesting to see if the line goes higher due to UF's less than stellar performance in nearly losing to a Kentucky team that is only marginally more mediocre than UF. Bama 38-17 (-21) seems about right to me. We'll see come Wednesday.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Sept 15, 2014 8:49:45 GMT -5
Trn, you are a tough grader. However, you're fos. This time last year, Auburn was mediocre by your definition. Some would say they were lucky to win some close games. That didn't stop them from being a final minute away from beating FSU and winning the final BCSNC. Well, no, I'm not full of shit. You asked me what my opinion was from my view. We are 3 games into the season....and I specifically said this in my reply, "Admittedly, we only have a few games to make these calls so far, but it looks to me that the SEC has 2 elite teams...about 3-4 good teams, and 3-4 other solid teams. Right now...UF is mediocre. Kentucky is mediocre (which is a vast improvement over last year). Arkansas is mediocre. Tennessee is mediocre."I'm not a psychic, so I cannot possibly predict how this season will play out with regard to momentum, injury, heartbreakers, etc. You asked me what my view was. I told you. The fact of the matter is, it is rare for a team to go from 2-10 to 8-4 in a year. From Kentucky to end up in that solid-good range, that's the sort of turnaround they'd have to have. You can't really blame last year on injury for them. They just weren't very good. This year, they are undoubtedly better. But don't bullshit all of us and prop up Kentucky to indirectly prop up Florida. Auburn is the exception, rather than the rule, and you know it. At the end of the day, none of us can know exactly how teams will finish, or play from week to week. When the season started, I said I thought UF would be 8-4, but the questions would fall to the offense and whether Driskell could live up to his hype coming out of high school. Things may change, but it appears he still simply is not a good downfield passer. He was lucky not to have at least 2 other picks in that game, and Kentucky had multiple opportunities to win the game. They didn't and that's the way it goes...but if you're telling me you aren't the least bit nervous that your quarterback struggled again and you needed three overtimes to beat a perennial doormat that you've beat 27 times in a row, then the only one full of shit here...is you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 9:27:17 GMT -5
Trn, you're not fos. You're grading scale as described in detail by you above is fos. Sorry, I should have been more clear.
To get to the point, teams ranked 26-40 aren't mediocre. In addition, who knows how the teams should be ranked, including FSU, this early in the season. The BCS didn't conduct its first ranking until after the third week in October and the Selection Committee won't reveal its first ranking until the end of the October games. Your grading scale is flawed at best and fos at worst. As I pointed out, Auburn was never mediocre last season regardless of what the early season rankings said.
My hunch is you like the trash talking of calling UF mediocre rather than being accurate in your assessment. That's ok as I have come to expect it from you. Your FSU hatred of UF is hard for you to overcome. I get it as I have the same problem with UGALY. I'll even help you with it:
It's Great To Be A Mediocre 4 & 8er!
I modified that just for you.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Sept 15, 2014 10:07:37 GMT -5
Trn, you're not fos. You're grading scale as described in detail by you above is fos. Sorry, I should have been more clear. To get to the point, teams ranked 26-40 aren't mediocre. In addition, who knows how the teams should be ranked, including FSU, this early in the season. The BCS didn't conduct its first ranking until after the third week in October and the Selection Committee won't reveal its first ranking until the end of the October games. Your grading scale is flawed at best and fos at worst. As I pointed out, Auburn was never mediocre last season regardless of what the early season rankings said. My hunch is you like the trash talking of calling UF mediocre rather than being accurate in your assessment. That's ok as I have come to expect it from you. Your FSU hatred of UF is hard for you to overcome. I get it as I have the same problem with UGALY. I'll even help you with it: It's Great To Be A Mediocre 4 & 8er! I modified that just for you. I didn't say that teams 26-40 were mediocre. I said they were solid. I said teams from 41-70 were mediocre. Mediocre, by definition, is average. There are 128 FBS teams. Numbers 64 and 65 are dead average middle. Technically, if you take the roughly 10% from each side, then teams 51-78 are mediocre, as opposed to 41-70. Even if I stretch my labels from 26-50 as solid, I still wouldn't put Kentucky in there, although I probably would put Arkansas and Florida in there. Tennessee would not. I don't have the exact right answer on how teams should be ranked this early in the season, but you asked my opinion. My grading scale isn't flawed (except if you want to quibble over the math....and if you do, have at it)...you want to quibble where I rank the teams. You asked my opinion, then you want to quibble over my opinion? Seriously? Based on the performance against the ONLY team they've played that isn't absolutely awful, the Gators performed relatively poorly. If you guys are the 9-3 squad you predicted at the start of the year, they should blow Kentucky off the field...not need 3 overtimes and a touchdown on 4th down from the 9 yard line in the first one to win. It is a night game, at the Swamp. Yep, I do dislike UF intensely, but I don't think that clouds my judgment too much. I mean, you act like my 8-4 prediction was out of left field. How many other non-hating journalists and college football wonks out there put the Gators as 8-4 or 7-5? Most, actually. I have said repeatedly that for the Gators to be a good ball club this year, the offense HAD to make strides with throwing the football. That you had some very good runningbacks, but needed a wide receiving threat, and Driskell HAD to be better getting him the ball. Demarcus Robinson has become that receiving threat, and I said he's a game changer...how is anything that I've said merely FSU hate? Driskell wasn't good enough the other night to get your team to 9 wins. Or even 8 wins. His downfield throws were bad. You don't have to be a hater to see that. UF was 5-17 on third down. That ain't gonna get it done either. More than my alleged UF hate is your orange and blue glasses and you take any criticism of UF as merely the enemies hating on your football team. Sometimes your team just isn't very good on a particular day. Can the Gators improve? Sure. The other night definitely shows what works and what doesn't work. But even you're starting to hedge. Earlier in the season, in fact, before it started, you predicted that the Gators would play Alabama in a close and competitive game (August 18th...page 104 for your review). Now, you're predicting that you're going to get blown out by 3 touchdowns. So tell me, what's the change? Is it because you only beat Eastern Michigan 59-0? Or maybe, just kinda, that the Gators performed poorly against a team they should ordinarily run out of the stadium? Or let me ask it another way....based ONLY on the games played so far this season, if the Gators play like they did on Saturday, what would you honestly predict their record to be over the next 5 games? Not if they improve, but if they play only like they did Saturday? If you say anything better than 2-3, then you're full of shit. They wouldn't sniff Bama or LSU, and I wouldn't be surprised to watch Missouri and/or Georgia beat them as well. Unless they improve, my 8-4 prediction would be a worthy goal. The way they played Saturday won't get you to 8-4. So, why is my prediction of UF being a low solid-high mediocre (depending on how you want to draw your lines) so far out in left field as not being worthy of consideration?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:08:06 GMT -5
Look, just say UF is solid, not mediocre. You can do it. It would reflect your own grading system. You made the comment that UF is mediocre:
Trn: "To me...good teams are 11-25ish in the nation. Elite is 1-10. Solid is 25-40. Mediocre is 41-70ish. Beyond that...who cares. Vandy is the only team "beyond that"."
The votes UF received in the AP and Coaches polls indicates solid rather than a team outside the top 40. Valid concerns don't matter. All teams including FSU have them. Your comments would reflect your grading scale if not for your anti-Gators bias.
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