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Numerous misconceptions continue to swirl regarding the various off-field investigations and allegations regarding Jameis Winston. The purpose of this post is to correct those misconceptions as much as possible,
ensuring that the facts are properly known. This page will be updated as more facts emerge.
Numerous misconceptions continue to swirl regarding the various off-field investigations and allegations regarding Jameis Winston. The purpose of this post is to correct those misconceptions as much as possible, ensuring that the facts are properly known. This page will be updated as more facts emerge.
Autographs
The latest investigation involves a large number of Winston autographs found through the website of James Spence Authentication (JSA), which also certified more than 500 autographs of Georgia running back Todd Gurley, who was suspended last week amid allegations that he had been paid to sign items for a memorabilia dealer.
Misconception 1: Winston has been connected to the same memorabilia dealer who allegedly paid Gurley.
This misconception has arisen due to misidentification of JSA with the dealer who had JSA authenticate his merchandise. JSA is an authentication company, not a dealer. JSA is one of two major sports memorabilia authentication companies in the USA, so it is no surprise that the company is connected to items from both players
Bryan Allen, the dealer who claims he paid Gurley for his signatures, has no known connection to Winston.Misconception 2: The various sequential series of authenticated autographs found on JSA are evidence that Winston was paid, meaning he is likely to be suspended.
Last year, JSA authenticated similar series of items from Jadeveon Clowney, Braxton Miller, Sammy Watkins, and Johnny Manziel, among others. Only Manziel was implicated for selling his autographs after photos emerged of Manziel at an offseason signing session.
The sequential numbers do not mean all the items involved were signed at exactly the same time, either, as items are serialized after they are authenticated. Someone could, for example, get Winston to sign items on five different occasions, submit the items as they receive them, and then receive them all back at once with consecutive serial numbers.
Winston has been tireless when it comes to signing autographs, as these photographs from the ACC Baseball Tournament suggest. Winston’s autograph line extended into the walkway above the first section, with many fans bringing multiple items to be signed.
This does not mean Winston did not get paid for his autograph.
But without evidence beyond the circumstantial sequential authentications (video, cancelled checks, photo evidence, etc.) there’s no way to prove it.
Sexual Assault Allegations
Misconception 1: Winston most likely got away with rape thanks to protection from the Tallahassee Police Department and Florida State University.
There is no question that the TPD investigation left much to be desired. But the implication that these entities tried to protect a then-unknown FSU football player goes against recent precedent.
Starting wide receiver Greg Dent was charged with second-degree sexual assault—of which he would ultimately be acquitted—in the summer of 2013. Dent was dismissed from the football team and certainly not “protected” by Tallahassee law enforcement.
Florida State has not been shy about dismissing high-profile players in the past, as Greg Reid, Preston Parker, and Jarmon Fortson can attest. Other dismissals under Jimbo Fisher include Arrington Jenkins, Ira Denson, and Avis Commack.
State Attorney Willie Meggs also has a well-earned reputation for not looking the other way when it comes to Florida State athletes and is on the record saying student-athletes should be held to a higher standard than regular citizens:
"To whom much is given, much should be expected," Meggs told the Sun-Sentinel in 2003. "Sometimes we ought to hold those folks to a little bit higher standard. Thousands of people would give their right arm to play for FSU or Notre Dame or Miami or Georgia, and when somebody messes up doing something stupid, it's a shame."
For example, in 2003, Meggs pursued a rape charge against FSU defensive lineman Travis Johnson, who was acquitted by a six-woman jury in all of 30 minutes. If there is any doubt, Meggs has shown he tends toward charges.
"Sometimes we ought to hold those folks to a little bit higher standard." —Willie Meggs, Florida State Attorney
Why then was Winston not suspended, dismissed, or charged with a crime? Because a close look at the evidence strongly suggests the sexual encounter in question was consensual:
1) Winston’s accuser claims she had been too inebriated or drugged to give consent and the encounter was therefore a sexual assault.2) The toxicology screen and blood alcohol tests show otherwise, however. The woman’s blood alcohol content was .048 approximately three hours after the incident, “not very high” to quote Florida State Attorney Willie Meggs. That extrapolates to around .1 at the time of the alleged assault, just above the .08 Florida legal limit for impaired driving. The toxicology screen came back clean.
3) The woman’s friends testified that she was not overly intoxicated or otherwise affected when she left the bar with Winston and his friends.
4) Eyewitnesses Chris Casher and Ronald Darby testified that she was not impaired.
5) Casher and Darby also testify to having observed the woman performing oral sex on Winston and that she was on top during the sexual encounter.
6) Casher was placed on FSU probation for—by his own admission—videorecording part of the encounter, though the video was erased shortly afterwards.
7) The woman also initially lied about the source of a second semen sample found on her shorts, claiming she had borrowed the shorts from her roommate. The sample was in fact traced to the woman’s boyfriend, a football player at a MAC school in the state of Ohio. (Minor misconception: this second semen sample was not from the same day as many have suggested; it was rather from an encounter on an earlier date.)
The case essentially boiled down to the woman’s word versus the toxicology/blood alcohol results, the word of her friends, and eyewitnesses. That’s why Winston was never charged or suspended.
For a variety of reasons, these details of the case have not been widely reported in the national media, however, leading to a widespread impression among the public that Winston got away with sexual assault. The resulting outrage has led to calls for draconian punishments for any other perceived misdeed as a way to atone for this perceived injustice. This is not the first time that has happened. As FSU head coach Jimbo Fisher observed on Monday,
the Duke Lacrosse case was accompanied by similar outrage and calls for judgment, only to be proven false many months later.Misconception 2: Florida State did not perform its legal obligations under Title IX relating to the Winston allegations.
It should first be noted that the encounter happened off-campus. According to Florida State Title IX policy, the complainant in such cases must file a complaint with the university for any school investigation to take place. Essentially, if neither party speaks with the school, the school has insufficient material or evidence to engage in any sort of investigation.
But FSU says the woman did not cooperate with school attempts to launch an investigation until 20 months after the event. Instead, the woman’s attorneys sent the university a litigation hold in February, 2014, indicating that the school would eventually face a lawsuit from her side. It was not until August of 2014 that the woman began to cooperate with Florida State’s requests, enabling any investigation from the school’s side to move forward.One place where the school seems to have erred, however, is that athletic department officials did not immediately notify the school’s Title IX office after being alerted to the complaint in January, 2013. That should be standard protocol, but because Winston was not charged, had two eyewitnesses who validated his story, and Winston’s attorney had notified the university that the case was not moving forward, that oversight appears to be the result of incompetence (simply assuming there was nothing to this and no reason to report anything up the chain) rather than an attempted cover-up on the university side.
The Crab Legs Incident
Misconception: Jameis Winston brazenly shoplifted and Florida State did nothing to punish him.
Winston was cited for misdemeanor shoplifting after walking out of a local Publix without paying for approximately $32 worth of steamed crab and crawfish. His story—that he is used to Winn-Dixie’s arrangement where he pays for the seafood while it is being prepared and simply forgot to pay on his way out—is plausible but unlikely.
It is rather more likely that Winston had a hook-up to get free food in this case, but he certainly can’t say that, nor would it affect the result of the citation. It is highly unlikely that Winston simply decided to try his hand at shoplifting, especially given his public status.
It is true that he was not suspended for football, but Winston is one of the top closers in the country on the baseball diamond and was suspended for several games until his community service related to the citation was completed. It would have made little sense to suspend him from two sports for the same citation, though many seem to ignore that fact.
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