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Post by cbisbig on May 3, 2017 14:43:43 GMT -5
Interesting Why Ohio State’s football schedule won’t include Alabama anytime soon SECcountry staff reports This story by Ben Axelrod originally appeared on Landof10.com as an Ohio State feature. www.everynewsupdate.com/why-ohio-states-football-schedule-wont-include-alabama-anytime-soon-landof10-com/COLUMBUS, Ohio — With last week’s announcement of a home-and-home series with Washington set for 2024 and 2025, Ohio State football has a premier out-of-conference opponent scheduled annually for the better part of the next decade. Noticeably absent, however, from the Buckeyes’ future slates is the school most associate with Ohio State from a national perspective: Alabama. According to the man responsible for putting together the Buckeyes’ schedule, that won’t change anytime soon. “No. We’ve never talked to them,” Ohio State deputy director of athletics Martin Jarmond revealed last week. Jarmond explained that the Buckeyes typically take a two-pronged approach when it comes to scheduling premier games. Does Ohio State possess a strong fan presence or alumni base in the prospective opponent’s region? Is the Buckeyes coaching staff actively recruiting the area? In the case of the Crimson Tide, neither factor applies. “You’re going to go to Alabama and you don’t have any kind of (fan) base there. You’re not recruiting Alabama,” said Jarmond, who recently was named athletic director at Boston College. “So two of the factors that we look at: alumni or fan support and then student-athletes, are we recruiting them? Is it an area that we’re going to and it’s home for kids? “Alabama doesn’t fit that description. It’s not even about how strong they are. It’s literally about those factors.” That approach has led to recent series with California, where Buckeyes fans memorably took over Memorial Stadium in 2013, Virginia Tech and Oklahoma. Last week, Ohio State announced that its 2018 tilt with TCU will be played at Arlington’s AT&T Stadium, which meshes well with Urban Meyer’s recruiting efforts in the Lone Star State. In the coming years, the Buckeyes have out-of-conference dates set with Oregon (2020, 2021), Texas (2022, 2023), Notre Dame (2022, 2023) and Boston College (2026, 2027). You may notice that there isn’t a single team from the SEC on that list. While the perception for some is that schools from the South don’t want to travel north for a home-and-home, Jarmond insists Ohio State is just as responsible for the SEC’s absence from any of its upcoming schedules. “I think the problem with the SEC is it’s not going to be somewhere where we have alumni and fans,” Jarmond. “We like places where we’re recruiting kids.”
That’s not to say Ohio State is ruling out scheduling a future date against an SEC team (something it hasn’t done since 1987). From a recruiting perspective, it’s worth noting Meyer has signed players from Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Missouri during his time as the Buckeyes head coach. Of course, it takes two to tango. Other complications in the scheduling process exist, such as Ohio State’s need to host seven home games per year and its desire to only face premier opponents on the road in years the Michigan game is played in Columbus. The Buckeyes also usually shun neutral-site games, with Jarmond calling Ohio State’s 2018 trip to AT&T Stadium “an anomaly.” Alabama, meanwhile, has opened each of its past five seasons with high-profile, neutral-site games. So unless Ohio State expands its recruiting territory to the Heart of Dixie — or changes its scheduling philosophy — the next time the Buckeyes will battle the Crimson Tide will have to be in the College Football Playoff. “For us,” Jarmond explained, “it just doesn’t make sense
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Post by mscott59 on May 3, 2017 15:04:40 GMT -5
Interesting Why Ohio State’s football schedule won’t include Alabama anytime soon SECcountry staff reports This story by Ben Axelrod originally appeared on Landof10.com as an Ohio State feature. www.everynewsupdate.com/why-ohio-states-football-schedule-wont-include-alabama-anytime-soon-landof10-com/COLUMBUS, Ohio — With last week’s announcement of a home-and-home series with Washington set for 2024 and 2025, Ohio State football has a premier out-of-conference opponent scheduled annually for the better part of the next decade. Noticeably absent, however, from the Buckeyes’ future slates is the school most associate with Ohio State from a national perspective: Alabama. According to the man responsible for putting together the Buckeyes’ schedule, that won’t change anytime soon. “No. We’ve never talked to them,” Ohio State deputy director of athletics Martin Jarmond revealed last week. Jarmond explained that the Buckeyes typically take a two-pronged approach when it comes to scheduling premier games. Does Ohio State possess a strong fan presence or alumni base in the prospective opponent’s region? Is the Buckeyes coaching staff actively recruiting the area? In the case of the Crimson Tide, neither factor applies. “You’re going to go to Alabama and you don’t have any kind of (fan) base there. You’re not recruiting Alabama,” said Jarmond, who recently was named athletic director at Boston College. “So two of the factors that we look at: alumni or fan support and then student-athletes, are we recruiting them? Is it an area that we’re going to and it’s home for kids? “Alabama doesn’t fit that description. It’s not even about how strong they are. It’s literally about those factors.” That approach has led to recent series with California, where Buckeyes fans memorably took over Memorial Stadium in 2013, Virginia Tech and Oklahoma. Last week, Ohio State announced that its 2018 tilt with TCU will be played at Arlington’s AT&T Stadium, which meshes well with Urban Meyer’s recruiting efforts in the Lone Star State. In the coming years, the Buckeyes have out-of-conference dates set with Oregon (2020, 2021), Texas (2022, 2023), Notre Dame (2022, 2023) and Boston College (2026, 2027). You may notice that there isn’t a single team from the SEC on that list. While the perception for some is that schools from the South don’t want to travel north for a home-and-home, Jarmond insists Ohio State is just as responsible for the SEC’s absence from any of its upcoming schedules. “I think the problem with the SEC is it’s not going to be somewhere where we have alumni and fans,” Jarmond. “We like places where we’re recruiting kids.”
That’s not to say Ohio State is ruling out scheduling a future date against an SEC team (something it hasn’t done since 1987). From a recruiting perspective, it’s worth noting Meyer has signed players from Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Missouri during his time as the Buckeyes head coach. Of course, it takes two to tango. Other complications in the scheduling process exist, such as Ohio State’s need to host seven home games per year and its desire to only face premier opponents on the road in years the Michigan game is played in Columbus. The Buckeyes also usually shun neutral-site games, with Jarmond calling Ohio State’s 2018 trip to AT&T Stadium “an anomaly.” Alabama, meanwhile, has opened each of its past five seasons with high-profile, neutral-site games. So unless Ohio State expands its recruiting territory to the Heart of Dixie — or changes its scheduling philosophy — the next time the Buckeyes will battle the Crimson Tide will have to be in the College Football Playoff. “For us,” Jarmond explained, “it just doesn’t make sense i've said it before and will repeat it again; i wish it were a different scenario where the sec was in the mix for a rotation of ooc games. been discussed here in the past how tosu-uga was on then off. it would have been a little fairer in posting the story, though, if you'd also bold highlighted 'of course, it takes two to tango.' the 9 game league schedule will make it more complicated down the road too. one might wonder how uw and uo fit into the 'recruiting base/fan base' formula. i don't recall tosu ever recruiting kids from those states, but the west coast has a very strong buckeye alumni contingent (seattle being one of the faster growing clubs) and the staff does recruit california/west coast as do the dawgs/ducks. mix in the history of big 10/pac 6-7-8-10-12 (see how simple it is just to keep saying '10'? lol). the bucks have played in south florida recently (miami in '11) and i'm guessing that either uf or fsu would make sense for a home/home down the road if the two sides agree. i just don't want to see a proliferation of neutral site games. i think that's an insult to season ticket holders.
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Post by cbisbig on May 3, 2017 15:24:44 GMT -5
Interesting Why Ohio State’s football schedule won’t include Alabama anytime soon SECcountry staff reports This story by Ben Axelrod originally appeared on Landof10.com as an Ohio State feature. www.everynewsupdate.com/why-ohio-states-football-schedule-wont-include-alabama-anytime-soon-landof10-com/COLUMBUS, Ohio — With last week’s announcement of a home-and-home series with Washington set for 2024 and 2025, Ohio State football has a premier out-of-conference opponent scheduled annually for the better part of the next decade. Noticeably absent, however, from the Buckeyes’ future slates is the school most associate with Ohio State from a national perspective: Alabama. According to the man responsible for putting together the Buckeyes’ schedule, that won’t change anytime soon. “No. We’ve never talked to them,” Ohio State deputy director of athletics Martin Jarmond revealed last week. Jarmond explained that the Buckeyes typically take a two-pronged approach when it comes to scheduling premier games. Does Ohio State possess a strong fan presence or alumni base in the prospective opponent’s region? Is the Buckeyes coaching staff actively recruiting the area? In the case of the Crimson Tide, neither factor applies. “You’re going to go to Alabama and you don’t have any kind of (fan) base there. You’re not recruiting Alabama,” said Jarmond, who recently was named athletic director at Boston College. “So two of the factors that we look at: alumni or fan support and then student-athletes, are we recruiting them? Is it an area that we’re going to and it’s home for kids? “Alabama doesn’t fit that description. It’s not even about how strong they are. It’s literally about those factors.” That approach has led to recent series with California, where Buckeyes fans memorably took over Memorial Stadium in 2013, Virginia Tech and Oklahoma. Last week, Ohio State announced that its 2018 tilt with TCU will be played at Arlington’s AT&T Stadium, which meshes well with Urban Meyer’s recruiting efforts in the Lone Star State. In the coming years, the Buckeyes have out-of-conference dates set with Oregon (2020, 2021), Texas (2022, 2023), Notre Dame (2022, 2023) and Boston College (2026, 2027). You may notice that there isn’t a single team from the SEC on that list. While the perception for some is that schools from the South don’t want to travel north for a home-and-home, Jarmond insists Ohio State is just as responsible for the SEC’s absence from any of its upcoming schedules. “I think the problem with the SEC is it’s not going to be somewhere where we have alumni and fans,” Jarmond. “We like places where we’re recruiting kids.”
That’s not to say Ohio State is ruling out scheduling a future date against an SEC team (something it hasn’t done since 1987). From a recruiting perspective, it’s worth noting Meyer has signed players from Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Missouri during his time as the Buckeyes head coach. Of course, it takes two to tango. Other complications in the scheduling process exist, such as Ohio State’s need to host seven home games per year and its desire to only face premier opponents on the road in years the Michigan game is played in Columbus. The Buckeyes also usually shun neutral-site games, with Jarmond calling Ohio State’s 2018 trip to AT&T Stadium “an anomaly.” Alabama, meanwhile, has opened each of its past five seasons with high-profile, neutral-site games. So unless Ohio State expands its recruiting territory to the Heart of Dixie — or changes its scheduling philosophy — the next time the Buckeyes will battle the Crimson Tide will have to be in the College Football Playoff. “For us,” Jarmond explained, “it just doesn’t make sense i've said it before and will repeat it again; i wish it were a different scenario where the sec was in the mix for a rotation of ooc games. been discussed here in the past how tosu-uga was on then off. it would have been a little fairer in posting the story, though, if you'd also bold highlighted 'of course, it takes two to tango.' the 9 game league schedule will make it more complicated down the road too. one might wonder how uw and uo fit into the 'recruiting base/fan base' formula. i don't recall tosu ever recruiting kids from those states, but the west coast has a very strong buckeye alumni contingent (seattle being one of the faster growing clubs) and the staff does recruit california/west coast as do the dawgs/ducks. mix in the history of big 10/pac 6-7-8-10-12 (see how simple it is just to keep saying '10'? lol). the bucks have played in south florida recently (miami in '11) and i'm guessing that either uf or fsu would make sense for a home/home down the road if the two sides agree. i just don't want to see a proliferation of neutral site games. i think that's an insult to season ticket holders. As im sure you know, there is a fairly large buckeye fanbase in the carolinas. The University of South Carolina is 60 minutes away from Charlotte.That would be a good game. It's not that much further away than the trip to Virginia Tech. I really enjoyed the home and Home Alabama had with Penn State back in the "10-"11 seasons
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 15:40:01 GMT -5
Recruiting and lack of alumni bases in the southeast are the excuses, not the reason.
Oklahoma doesn't recruit Oklahoma, they go to Texas and elsewhere. Oregon and Washington aren't known for their recruiting bases.
Where does tOSU have a huge alumni base? Florida. Which state has the 3rd most FBS D1 recruits in the nation? Florida. Games at UF would be shown in the state of Florida and throughout the southeast, probably nationwide. The same can be said for at FSU.
The reason the bucknuts don't play top tier SEC and FSU is they know their chance of winning these games are less than if they went elsewhere. It's all about scheduling games the bucknuts think they have a better chance of winning.
A couple of years ago, the AD at LSU said he had a problem scheduling top BIG teams as they didn't want to come south and be spanked on their opponents home field. After last season, we know it wasn't Wisky he was talking about. They at least scheduled a neutral site game in Green Bay with LSU.
JMHO, he was talking about tOSU. This article confirms what I have been saying about the bucknuts ducking top tier SEC and FSU. To put it more bluntly, the bucknuts are chickenshit when it comes to top tier SEC teams and FSU.
Look what you've done cbisbig. You have released the 4 bucknut horsemen of the apocalypse by finding an article that exposes tOSU for what it really is, a fraud to their claim of playing anyone nationally.
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Post by mscott59 on May 3, 2017 15:49:27 GMT -5
i've said it before and will repeat it again; i wish it were a different scenario where the sec was in the mix for a rotation of ooc games. been discussed here in the past how tosu-uga was on then off. it would have been a little fairer in posting the story, though, if you'd also bold highlighted 'of course, it takes two to tango.' the 9 game league schedule will make it more complicated down the road too. one might wonder how uw and uo fit into the 'recruiting base/fan base' formula. i don't recall tosu ever recruiting kids from those states, but the west coast has a very strong buckeye alumni contingent (seattle being one of the faster growing clubs) and the staff does recruit california/west coast as do the dawgs/ducks. mix in the history of big 10/pac 6-7-8-10-12 (see how simple it is just to keep saying '10'? lol). the bucks have played in south florida recently (miami in '11) and i'm guessing that either uf or fsu would make sense for a home/home down the road if the two sides agree. i just don't want to see a proliferation of neutral site games. i think that's an insult to season ticket holders. As im sure you know, there is a fairly large buckeye fanbase in the carolinas. The University of South Carolina is 60 minutes away from Charlotte.That would be a good game. It's not that much further away than the trip to Virginia Tech. I really enjoyed the home and Home Alabama had with Penn State back in the "10-"11 seasonsi have two friends who've moved to the charlotte area in the last 5-6 years so i know there's been a migration to the mid atlantic from here. one of our girls spends 6 months in grad school in blacksburg, the other 6 months on the outer banks at cape hatteras doing research. my dentist, who's a osu grad/season ticket holder, has a daughter who graduated from usc-e (now lives in alpharetta) and raves about columbia. bucks had a home/home w/nc state in raleigh back in '03-'04 when they had phillip rivers. the intersectional matchups like when the tide went up to state college, when the bucks play the trojans, etc, are great for cfb. if there's one advantage to having a 4 team playoff its that a loss in one of those high profile early season games can be not as disastrous (ie tosu in '14) then when the choice was just between two teams. that said, as good a job as we've done here in the quality and variety of ooc matchups, it would be great to see some sec opponents in that rotation.
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Post by mscott59 on May 3, 2017 15:53:10 GMT -5
Recruiting and lack of alumni bases in the southeast are the excuses, not the reason. Oklahoma doesn't recruit Oklahoma, they go to Texas and elsewhere. Oregon and Washington aren't known for their recruiting bases. Where does tOSU have a huge alumni base? Florida. Which state has the 3rd most FBS D1 recruits in the nation? Florida. Games at UF would be shown in the state of Florida and throughout the southeast, probably nationwide. The same can be said for at FSU. The reason the bucknuts don't play top tier SEC and FSU is they know their chance of winning these games are less than if they went elsewhere. It's all about scheduling games the bucknuts think they have a better chance of winning. A couple of years ago, the AD at LSU said he had a problem scheduling top BIG teams as they didn't want to come south and be spanked on their opponents home field. After last season, we know it wasn't Wisky he was talking about. They at least schedule a neutral site game in Green Bay. JMHO, he was talking about tOSU. This article confirms what I have been saying about the bucknuts ducking top tier SEC and FSU. To put it more bluntly, the bucknuts are chickenshit when it comes to top tier SEC teams and FSU. Look what you've done cbisbig. You have released the 4 bucknut horsemen of the apocalypse by finding an article that exposes tOSU for what it really is, a fraud to their claim of playing anyone nationally. 1991
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Post by mscott59 on May 3, 2017 16:02:55 GMT -5
Recruiting and lack of alumni bases in the southeast are the excuses, not the reason. Oklahoma doesn't recruit Oklahoma, they go to Texas and elsewhere. Oregon and Washington aren't known for their recruiting bases. Where does tOSU have a huge alumni base? Florida. Which state has the 3rd most FBS D1 recruits in the nation? Florida. Games at UF would be shown in the state of Florida and throughout the southeast, probably nationwide. The same can be said for at FSU. The reason the bucknuts don't play top tier SEC and FSU is they know their chance of winning these games are less than if they went elsewhere. It's all about scheduling games the bucknuts think they have a better chance of winning. A couple of years ago, the AD at LSU said he had a problem scheduling top BIG teams as they didn't want to come south and be spanked on their opponents home field. After last season, we know it wasn't Wisky he was talking about. They at least schedule a neutral site game in Green Bay. JMHO, he was talking about tOSU. This article confirms what I have been saying about the bucknuts ducking top tier SEC and FSU. To put it more bluntly, the bucknuts are chickenshit when it comes to top tier SEC teams and FSU. Look what you've done cbisbig. You have released the 4 bucknut horsemen of the apocalypse by finding an article that exposes tOSU for what it really is, a fraud to their claim of playing anyone nationally. 1991 did you actually read the article you posted, quoting spurrier and his scheduling philosophy? lmao. get back to us the next time uf plays any ooc opponent in their stadium outside the state of florida. there's none scheduled thru 2020 as far as i can see, which will make that streak at least 30 years before it changes. as for your second sentence? osu recruits texas. so do the sooners. hence that game makes sense in addition to the historically high profile of both programs. i already shared an opinion on uo and uw. apparently lsu gets credit in your eyes for playing the ducks recently but the bucks don't get the same courtesy. no surprise there. at least your blinders are consistent in their ongoing bias... apparently that's what cbis released w/his post. i've already said i wish tosu added some sec foes to the rotation of high quality ooc home/home scheduling that uf chooses not to do.
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Post by bamorin on May 3, 2017 16:05:27 GMT -5
said Jarmond, who recently was named athletic director at Boston College. “So two of the factors that we look at: alumni or fan support and then student-athletes, are we recruiting them? Is it an area that we’re going to and it’s home for kids? Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/29089/why-ohio-dosnt-schedule-games#ixzz4g3GycbKfso a guy at boston college explains why the sEC won't come north, and blames that on OSU, by saying why boston college schedules the way they do brilliant!!!!! doesn't explain going to Miami in '11 which according to my map, is further south than any sEC team.
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Recruiting and lack of alumni bases in the southeast are the excuses, not the reason. Oklahoma doesn't recruit Oklahoma, they go to Texas and elsewhere. Oregon and Washington aren't known for their recruiting bases. Where does tOSU have a huge alumni base? Florida. Which state has the 3rd most FBS D1 recruits in the nation? Florida. Games at UF would be shown in the state of Florida and throughout the southeast, probably nationwide. The same can be said for at FSU. The reason the bucknuts don't play top tier SEC and FSU is they know their chance of winning these games are less than if they went elsewhere. It's all about scheduling games the bucknuts think they have a better chance of winning. A couple of years ago, the AD at LSU said he had a problem scheduling top BIG teams as they didn't want to come south and be spanked on their opponents home field. After last season, we know it wasn't Wisky he was talking about. They at least schedule a neutral site game in Green Bay. JMHO, he was talking about tOSU. This article confirms what I have been saying about the bucknuts ducking top tier SEC and FSU. To put it more bluntly, the bucknuts are chickenshit when it comes to top tier SEC teams and FSU. Look what you've done cbisbig. You have released the 4 bucknut horsemen of the apocalypse by finding an article that exposes tOSU for what it really is, a fraud to their claim of playing anyone nationally. 1991 That's the best you've got? 2017 vs. Michigan in Dallas. Until tOSU schedules an FSU equivalent every year which it does not, you are on the short end of the ooc debate. I was surprised at the honesty of the tOSU schedule maker. It flushed the holier than thou bucknut attitude in here about national bucknut scheduling right down the toilet insofar as top tier SEC and FSU are concerned.
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Post by mscott59 on May 3, 2017 16:09:02 GMT -5
That's the best you've got? 2017 vs. Michigan in Dallas. Until tOSU schedules an FSU equivalent every year which it does not, you are on the short end of the ooc debate. I was surprised at the honesty of the tOSU schedule maker. It flushed the holier than thou bucknut attitude in here about national bucknut scheduling right down the toilet insofar as top tier SEC and FSU are concerned. 1991.
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did you actually read the article you posted, quoting spurrier and his scheduling philosophy? lmao. get back to us the next time uf plays any ooc opponent in their stadium outside the state of florida. there's none scheduled thru 2020 as far as i can see, which will make that streak at least 30 years before it changes. as for your second sentence? osu recruits texas. so do the sooners. hence that game makes sense in addition to the historically high profile of both programs. i already shared an opinion on uo and uw. apparently lsu gets credit in your eyes for playing the ducks recently but the bucks don't get the same courtesy. no surprise there. at least your blinders are consistent in their ongoing bias... apparently that's what cbis released w/his post. i've already said i wish tosu added some sec foes to the rotation of high quality ooc home/home scheduling that uf chooses not to do. I read that Spurrier believes playing in the SEC and playing FSU every year is enough. I agree him except that UF will hopefully pick up somebody out of region in home and home after 17 and 19 if no season opening big buck games are available. As you know, I'm opposed to scheduling home and home with Miami anytime in the near future, as in okay to do so after I'm dead. Deflection to UF won't help you on this one. Your tOSU scheduler is far more honest than the bucknuts here minus Mickey.
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Post by cbisbig on May 3, 2017 16:16:15 GMT -5
Recruiting and lack of alumni bases in the southeast are the excuses, not the reason. Oklahoma doesn't recruit Oklahoma, they go to Texas and elsewhere. Oregon and Washington aren't known for their recruiting bases. Where does tOSU have a huge alumni base? Florida. Which state has the 3rd most FBS D1 recruits in the nation? Florida. Games at UF would be shown in the state of Florida and throughout the southeast, probably nationwide. The same can be said for at FSU. The reason the bucknuts don't play top tier SEC and FSU is they know their chance of winning these games are less than if they went elsewhere. It's all about scheduling games the bucknuts think they have a better chance of winning. A couple of years ago, the AD at LSU said he had a problem scheduling top BIG teams as they didn't want to come south and be spanked on their opponents home field. After last season, we know it wasn't Wisky he was talking about. They at least schedule a neutral site game in Green Bay. JMHO, he was talking about tOSU. This article confirms what I have been saying about the bucknuts ducking top tier SEC and FSU. To put it more bluntly, the bucknuts are chickenshit when it comes to top tier SEC teams and FSU. Look what you've done cbisbig. You have released the 4 bucknut horsemen of the apocalypse by finding an article that exposes tOSU for what it really is, a fraud to their claim of playing anyone nationally. Probably worth mentioning again that this article originally appeared in an Osu friendly website.
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Post by cbisbig on May 3, 2017 16:19:57 GMT -5
said Jarmond, who recently was named athletic director at Boston College. “So two of the factors that we look at: alumni or fan support and then student-athletes, are we recruiting them? Is it an area that we’re going to and it’s home for kids? Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/29089/why-ohio-dosnt-schedule-games#ixzz4g3GycbKfso a guy at boston college explains why the sEC won't come north, and blames that on OSU, by saying why boston college schedules the way they do brilliant!!!!! doesn't explain going to Miami in '11 which according to my map, is further south than any sEC team. BAMA played in Miami just a few years ago....beat ND soundly
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Post by cbisbig on May 3, 2017 16:24:53 GMT -5
Wasn't he the deputy AD at Osu BEFORE taking the BC job?
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