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[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 28, 2022 19:28:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Dec 28, 2022 19:18:47 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

A Christian, IMO, is one who believes in the essential divinity and teachings of Christ.

But Christ also said, "There are those from the East and from the West who will dine with Abraham in the kingdom of heaven."

I think that statement was made in the context of talking about the pagan Roman centurion who asked Christ to heal his ill servant.

I have no idea how God will judge any man, but I do believe that the He will judge the merciful, just man favorably, and the evil, deceitful man unfavorably-- especially murderers.

"A bloody and deceitful man shall the Lord abhor."

Sounds like Jesus doesn’t buy that true church nonsense either.

Get a clue, O'Chicken.  You're a walking Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

Study St. John Chrysostom's homily on the parable of the Good Samaritan in St. Luke's Gospel.

Learn something correct, for a change, about Christ's teachings about His Church that He promised to establish on Pentecost through the descent of the Holy Spirit upon His Apostles.

[oujour76]

Dec 28, 2022 20:02:51 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 28, 2022 19:28:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sounds like Jesus doesn’t buy that true church nonsense either.

Get a clue, O'Chicken.  You're a walking Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

Study St. John Chrysostom's homily on the parable of the Good Samaritan in St. Luke's Gospel.

Learn something correct, for a change, about Christ's teachings about His Church that He promised to establish on Pentecost through the descent of the Holy Spirit upon His Apostles.

LOL. If Christ came back today he would laugh at your fat, pompous ass.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 28, 2022 20:26:17 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Dec 28, 2022 20:02:51 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Get a clue, O'Chicken.  You're a walking Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

Study St. John Chrysostom's homily on the parable of the Good Samaritan in St. Luke's Gospel.

Learn something correct, for a change, about Christ's teachings about His Church that He promised to establish on Pentecost through the descent of the Holy Spirit upon His Apostles.

LOL. If Christ came back today he would laugh at your fat, pompous ass.

You really are clueless, Harry.  Put on your OU dunce cap and try to think for a few minutes.

In Christ's profound, prophetic parable of the Good Samaritan, what is the symbolic significance of;

1)  The Good Samaritan?

2)  The man who fell among thieves?

3)  The road from Jerusalem to Jericho?

3)  The Inn?

4)  The Inn Keeper?

5)  The bread and wine at the Inn?

6)   The return of the Good Samaritan?

[daleko]

Dec 28, 2022 18:55:36 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 28, 2022 18:28:05 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sounds a lot like Christian denominations. Who knew?

Scientology isn't a Christian denomination, Harry.  Get a f*cking clue.

Meanwhile, do let us know if you find a Muslim or Jewish denomination that is non-theistic.

That's like claiming that there is a football team that doesn't use footballs.

You mean the ones that use soccer balls? Too easy.

[daleko]

Dec 28, 2022 18:19:12 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 28, 2022 18:03:52 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

You mean like Orthodox Jews? Reform Jews? Conservative Jews? Reconstructionist Jews?

No, that's not the point.

Can people define Judaism or Islam any way they choose, independently of any meaningful relationship to the Torah, Koran, or Hadith?  No.

Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform Jews all define their ethos in some relationship to the Torah and the traditions of Israel.

Similarly, Islam is defined in relation to the Koran.

There is some sort of Marijuana "church" here in Denver, and a "church" of Scientology, but they aren't Christian in any meaningful sense of the word.

WHat stops anyone from creating a def for their group? Anyway because you mentioned Jews.
Jewish atheism refers to the atheism of people who are ethnically and (at least to some extent) culturally Jewish. Contrary to popular belief, the term "Jewish atheism" is not a contradiction because Jewish identity encompasses not only religious components, but also ethnic and cultural ones. Jewish law's emphasis on descent through the mother means that even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish.

[Walter]

Dec 29, 2022 0:24:24 GMT -5 daleko said:

Dec 28, 2022 18:19:12 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

No, that's not the point.

Can people define Judaism or Islam any way they choose, independently of any meaningful relationship to the Torah, Koran, or Hadith?  No.

Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform Jews all define their ethos in some relationship to the Torah and the traditions of Israel.

Similarly, Islam is defined in relation to the Koran.

There is some sort of Marijuana "church" here in Denver, and a "church" of Scientology, but they aren't Christian in any meaningful sense of the word.

WHat stops anyone from creating a def for their group? Anyway because you mentioned Jews.
Jewish atheism refers to the atheism of people who are ethnically and (at least to some extent) culturally Jewish. Contrary to popular belief, the term "Jewish atheism" is not a contradiction because Jewish identity encompasses not only religious components, but also ethnic and cultural ones. Jewish law's emphasis on descent through the mother means that even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish.

Reminds me of slave laws in the colonies where the mother's race determined the race of the child.
That way, white slave owners could rape their female slaves and create new slaves to sell without anyone asking whether that dark-skinned white kid was a slave or a free person.

Makes me wonder what sinister reason was in use within the Jewish community.

[oujour76]

Dec 28, 2022 21:51:51 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 28, 2022 20:26:17 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

LOL. If Christ came back today he would laugh at your fat, pompous ass.

You really are clueless, Harry.  Put on your OU dunce cap and try to think for a few minutes.

In Christ's profound, prophetic parable of the Good Samaritan, what is the symbolic significance of;

1)  The Good Samaritan?

2)  The man who fell among thieves?

3)  The road from Jerusalem to Jericho?

3)  The Inn?

4)  The Inn Keeper?

5)  The bread and wine at the Inn?

6)   The return of the Good Samaritan?

As usual, you complicate things...a legend in your own mind. The message of the Good Samaritan is simple...if you find someone in need, provide them aid and comfort, regardless if they are part of your "tribe" or not. Metaphorically speaking, they are still your neighbor. The rest of your rant above is just you trying to impress yourself. As usual.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 29, 2022 10:00:32 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Dec 28, 2022 21:51:51 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

You really are clueless, Harry.  Put on your OU dunce cap and try to think for a few minutes.

In Christ's profound, prophetic parable of the Good Samaritan, what is the symbolic significance of;

1)  The Good Samaritan?

2)  The man who fell among thieves?

3)  The road from Jerusalem to Jericho?

3)  The Inn?

4)  The Inn Keeper?

5)  The bread and wine at the Inn?

6)   The return of the Good Samaritan?

As usual, you complicate things...a legend in your own mind. The message of the Good Samaritan is simple...if you find someone in need, provide them aid and comfort, regardless if they are part of your "tribe" or not. Metaphorically speaking, they are still your neighbor. The rest of your rant above is just you trying to impress yourself. As usual.

The parable is far more profound and prophetic than you imagine, Harry.

You're a guy who has, obviously, never studied the classical exegesis of the divine Chrysostom.

A word of warning to you and Daleko.  You routinely bear false witness against your "neighbor"-- a violation of the Ten Commandments.

Of course, we all break the Commandments and fall short of the glory of God.  And God forgives.  

But be careful about committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and the 2,000 year old Church established by descent of the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin, as Christ said in response to the Pharisees who accused him of casting it demons in the name of Satan.

As for Daleko's latest nonsense, can he give us an example of an established Jewish denomination that explicitly professes atheism?

[daleko]

Dec 29, 2022 12:21:10 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 29, 2022 10:00:32 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

As usual, you complicate things...a legend in your own mind. The message of the Good Samaritan is simple...if you find someone in need, provide them aid and comfort, regardless if they are part of your "tribe" or not. Metaphorically speaking, they are still your neighbor. The rest of your rant above is just you trying to impress yourself. As usual.

The parable is far more profound and prophetic than you imagine, Harry.

You're a guy who has, obviously, never studied the classical exegesis of the divine Chrysostom.

A word of warning to you and Daleko.  You routinely bear false witness against your "neighbor"-- a violation of the Ten Commandments.

Of course, we all break the Commandments and fall short of the glory of God.  And God forgives.  

But be careful about committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and the 2,000 year old Church established by descent of the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin, as Christ said in response to the Pharisees who accused him of casting it demons in the name of Satan.

As for Daleko's latest nonsense, can he give us an example of an established Jewish denomination that explicitly professes atheism?

All atheists who are Jews. Within the Atheist Republic, Jews exist. Atheist Republic is another man made organization. Do Jews have their own sub-group? <shrug>

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 29, 2022 12:51:42 GMT -5 daleko said:

Dec 29, 2022 12:21:10 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

The parable is far more profound and prophetic than you imagine, Harry.

You're a guy who has, obviously, never studied the classical exegesis of the divine Chrysostom.

A word of warning to you and Daleko.  You routinely bear false witness against your "neighbor"-- a violation of the Ten Commandments.

Of course, we all break the Commandments and fall short of the glory of God.  And God forgives.  

But be careful about committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and the 2,000 year old Church established by descent of the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin, as Christ said in response to the Pharisees who accused him of casting it demons in the name of Satan.

As for Daleko's latest nonsense, can he give us an example of an established Jewish denomination that explicitly professes atheism?

All atheists who are Jews. Within the Atheist Republic, Jews exist. Atheist Republic is another man made organization. Do Jews have their own sub-group? <shrug>

Are any rabbis from Orthodox, Conservative, or Reformed temples explicitly atheist?

Do any of them believe that the Torah is not of Divine origin?

We're talking about institutions, not individual Jews.

[Walter]

Dec 29, 2022 12:51:42 GMT -5 daleko said:

Dec 29, 2022 12:21:10 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

The parable is far more profound and prophetic than you imagine, Harry.

You're a guy who has, obviously, never studied the classical exegesis of the divine Chrysostom.

A word of warning to you and Daleko.  You routinely bear false witness against your "neighbor"-- a violation of the Ten Commandments.

Of course, we all break the Commandments and fall short of the glory of God.  And God forgives.  

But be careful about committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and the 2,000 year old Church established by descent of the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin, as Christ said in response to the Pharisees who accused him of casting it demons in the name of Satan.

As for Daleko's latest nonsense, can he give us an example of an established Jewish denomination that explicitly professes atheism?

All atheists who are Jews. Within the Atheist Republic, Jews exist. Atheist Republic is another man made organization. Do Jews have their own sub-group? <shrug>

That is a very broad definition of 'jew' that has very little, if anything to do with Judaism.
If a person is born to Jewish parents, but is a baptized, practicing Christian, or an atheist, the label 'jewish' is meaningless from a theological perspective.

[daleko]

Dec 29, 2022 13:27:00 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 29, 2022 12:51:42 GMT -5 daleko said:

All atheists who are Jews. Within the Atheist Republic, Jews exist. Atheist Republic is another man made organization. Do Jews have their own sub-group? <shrug>

Are any rabbis from Orthodox, Conservative, or Reformed temples explicitly atheist? No idea. Wouldn't surprise me.

Do any of them believe that the Torah and Talmud are not sacred? I'm not Jewish. Wouldn't surprise me. Reformed seem to pick and choose, as far as I know. Which isn't much. Again, who knows what is hidden.

We're talking about institutions, not individual Jews. And I'm talking about Jews who are atheists.

 Are any rabbis atheists? I have no idea what secrets any man holds. I've know a CEO of a Consumer product company who wouldn't eat what he sells. But he profitably leads the company, is well thought of, treats people fairly but wouldn't touch the product w a 10 ft pole. He likes the job and the money. And keeps his personal opinions to himself. He's a vegan but doesn't wear the sign on a sandwich board. And if others know, they don't care care.

Again, as I mentioned in another post. In football, you can use a couple of different kinds of balls, actually three, depending on what kind of football you are playing.

[daleko]

Dec 29, 2022 13:38:58 GMT -5 Walter said:

Dec 29, 2022 12:51:42 GMT -5 daleko said:

All atheists who are Jews. Within the Atheist Republic, Jews exist. Atheist Republic is another man made organization. Do Jews have their own sub-group? <shrug>

That is a very broad definition of 'jew' that has very little, if anything to do with Judaism.
If a person is born to Jewish parents, but is a baptized, practicing Christian, or an atheist, the label 'jewish' is meaningless from a theological perspective.

The definition is an individual thing, however, imo. Ambrose doesn't get to decide what an individual's definition is. Jews for Christ seems to be an oxymoron on its face but as I suggested, it isn't. Anyone can believe a little of this or that and claim whatever they choose. No copyright on any label. All man made. And  refined over thousands of years, hundreds of years or even days.

[daleko]

Dec 29, 2022 12:21:10 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

But be careful about committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and the 2,000 year old Church established by descent of the Holy Spirit.

We've had this conversation before. What you read as the the HS falling on a select few, I read as a metaphor for said HS falling on everyone. If that's what you want to believe. A Church is a social construct built by like minded individuals, who, in a few cases marketed it well. With their product growing. Sometimes because they eliminated the competition.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 29, 2022 13:49:42 GMT -5 daleko said:

Dec 29, 2022 13:27:00 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Are any rabbis from Orthodox, Conservative, or Reformed temples explicitly atheist? No idea. Wouldn't surprise me.

Do any of them believe that the Torah and Talmud are not sacred? I'm not Jewish. Wouldn't surprise me. Reformed seem to pick and choose, as far as I know. Which isn't much. Again, who knows what is hidden.

We're talking about institutions, not individual Jews. And I'm talking about Jews who are atheists.

 Are any rabbis atheists? I have no idea what secrets any man holds. I've know a CEO of a Consumer product company who wouldn't eat what he sells. But he profitably leads the company, is well thought of, treats people fairly but wouldn't touch the product w a 10 ft pole. He likes the job and the money. And keeps his personal opinions to himself. He's a vegan but doesn't wear the sign on a sandwich board. And if others know, they don't care care.

Again, as I mentioned in another post. In football, you can use a couple of different kinds of balls, actually three, depending on what kind of football you are playing.

I anticipated when I originally posted the football analogy that you would use your stupid counter example of soccer as "football"-- so I considered saying, "North American football," but it seemed superfluous, since this is a North American football forum.

The problem with your bogus counter example is that non-North American "footballers" also use the term "football" to describe what they play with in their type of "football."

Thanks for sharing more stupidity.