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Post by Walter on Dec 29, 2022 14:33:19 GMT -5
That is a very broad definition of 'jew' that has very little, if anything to do with Judaism. If a person is born to Jewish parents, but is a baptized, practicing Christian, or an atheist, the label 'jewish' is meaningless from a theological perspective. Unfortunately, since all this stuff is man-made, you don't get to walk in and tell the clan what their beliefs are or are not. That's why there are Lutherans and Methodists and Unitarians, and Episcopalians, Shiites and Sunnis, etc. Don't like their belief system? Go start your own. I would guess most, if not all in any clan would say you don't get to go a la carte about their notion of God and remain a member of the clan in good standing. Heck, as the fabled Tess d'Urbervilles discovered (the hard way) you can't even bury your dead child in the clan's graveyard unless you toe their line. |
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Post by daleko on Dec 29, 2022 14:35:12 GMT -5
Are any rabbis atheists? I have no idea what secrets any man holds. I've know a CEO of a Consumer product company who wouldn't eat what he sells. But he profitably leads the company, is well thought of, treats people fairly but wouldn't touch the product w a 10 ft pole. He likes the job and the money. And keeps his personal opinions to himself. He's a vegan but doesn't wear the sign on a sandwich board. And if others know, they don't care care.
Again, as I mentioned in another post. In football, you can use a couple of different kinds of balls, actually three, depending on what kind of football you are playing. I anticipated when I originally posted the football analogy that you would use your stupid counter example of soccer as "football"-- so I considered saying, "North American football," but it seemed superfluous, since this is a North American football forum. The problem with your bogus counter example is that non-North American "footballers" also use the term "football" to describe what they play with in their type of "football." Thanks for sharing more stupidity. |
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Post by oujour76 on Dec 29, 2022 14:38:40 GMT -5
As usual, you complicate things...a legend in your own mind. The message of the Good Samaritan is simple...if you find someone in need, provide them aid and comfort, regardless if they are part of your "tribe" or not. Metaphorically speaking, they are still your neighbor. The rest of your rant above is just you trying to impress yourself. As usual. The parable is far more profound and prophetic than you imagine, Harry. You're a guy who has, obviously, never studied the classical exegesis of the divine Chrysostom. A word of warning to you and Daleko. You routinely bear false witness against your "neighbor"-- a violation of the Ten Commandments. Of course, we all break the Commandments and fall short of the glory of God. And God forgives. But be careful about committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and the 2,000 year old Church established by descent of the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin, as Christ said in response to the Pharisees who accused him of casting it demons in the name of Satan. As for Daleko's latest nonsense, can he give us an example of an established Jewish denomination that explicitly professes atheism? Blah, blah, blah. As far as your blasphemy warning, I’ll consider the source. And you aren’t a reliable one. You lie on here every day about people, so take your false witness BS and cram it up your ass. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Dec 29, 2022 15:57:11 GMT -5
The parable is far more profound and prophetic than you imagine, Harry. You're a guy who has, obviously, never studied the classical exegesis of the divine Chrysostom. A word of warning to you and Daleko. You routinely bear false witness against your "neighbor"-- a violation of the Ten Commandments. Of course, we all break the Commandments and fall short of the glory of God. And God forgives. But be careful about committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and the 2,000 year old Church established by descent of the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin, as Christ said in response to the Pharisees who accused him of casting it demons in the name of Satan. As for Daleko's latest nonsense, can he give us an example of an established Jewish denomination that explicitly professes atheism? Blah, blah, blah. As far as your blasphemy warning, I’ll consider the source. And you aren’t a reliable one. You lie on here every day about people, so take your false witness BS and cram it up your ass. Harry, You have, evidently, spent most of your life conning people. But, I've got news for you. You can't con God. As for my friendly admonition about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, you can take it or leave it. The fate of your immortal soul is your business. |
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Post by oujour76 on Dec 30, 2022 0:07:05 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah. As far as your blasphemy warning, I’ll consider the source. And you aren’t a reliable one. You lie on here every day about people, so take your false witness BS and cram it up your ass. Harry, You have, evidently, spent most of your life conning people. But, I've got news for you. You can't con God. As for my friendly admonition about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, you can take it or leave it. The fate of your immortal soul is your business. I’ll leave it. I’m good with God. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Dec 30, 2022 11:13:18 GMT -5
I anticipated when I originally posted the football analogy that you would use your stupid counter example of soccer as "football"-- so I considered saying, "North American football," but it seemed superfluous, since this is a North American football forum. The problem with your bogus counter example is that non-North American "footballers" also use the term "football" to describe what they play with in their type of "football." Thanks for sharing more stupidity. Yo, Daflekto, getting back to your idiotic attempt to deflect from the metaphor, do Canadian football players use footballs? They don't use footballs, in your view, in the same sense that you believe the monotheistic religions can be atheistic. A reductio ad absurdum. I will also point out that you and Harry are unwittingly using Martin Luther's man made, selective "Sola Scriptura" epistemology for interpreting Christian and religious history-- while remaining ignorant of the Apostolic Theophany of the 2,000 year old Church. That is one basis for your flawed concept that Christianity--and all religion-- is simply "man made," as opposed to being based on Theophany. It is rooted in intellectual pride-- the notion that modern, "private" interpretations of the Church's canonized scriptures (Bible) can lead to a better "church" than the Church established by Christ's Apostles and the Holy Spirit in the first century A.D. It's the same reason that you both fail to understand the essence of Judaism and the Theophany of the Torah. Men can, certainly, "make up" their own religious institutions-- as the Protestants have done during the past few centuries-- but that doesn't mean that all religions are simply "man made," as opposed to being based on a true Theophany. As for the true relationship of "man made" religious institutions to the Deity, who knows? I believe that the relationship we have with the Deity in this life is the relationship we will have hereafter. "Those who have the Law (Torah) will be judged by the Torah," etc. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Dec 30, 2022 11:59:04 GMT -5
Harry, You have, evidently, spent most of your life conning people. But, I've got news for you. You can't con God. As for my friendly admonition about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, you can take it or leave it. The fate of your immortal soul is your business. I’ll leave it. I’m good with God. You're "good with God" as you understand God. So is Donald Trump. But the fundamental error in your interpretation of Christian ecclesiology is that you deny the central role of the Holy Spirit of God in the establishment and guidance of the historic, 2,000 year old Church-- which is also "scriptural," by the way. Christ explicitly foretold that the Holy Spirit (i.e., Paraclete) would guide His Apostles in the way of all truth in the establishment of His Church-- which is precisely what happened. And, in the traditions of the Church, theology is not man made, but is "a fabric woven from on high," given to the Apostles and the saints, who partook of the Divine Mind through the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit. Very few Apostles and saints of the Church were ever given the title of "Theologion"-- e.g., the Apostle St. John the Theologion, St. Gregory the Theologion, St. Simeon the New Theologion, and St. Gregory Palamas. Your denial of the role of the Holy Spirit in the historic Church isn't necessarily blasphemy against the Holy Spirit-- as described by Christ, Himself. It seems to be, more simply, a denial of the activity of the Holy Spirit in the Church, and the teachings of Christ on that subject. It is based on ignorance of Ecclesiastical History. |
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Post by oujour76 on Dec 30, 2022 13:24:22 GMT -5
I’ll leave it. I’m good with God. You're "good with God" as you understand God. LOL. Same is true of everyone, including you. You would realize that if you weren't so arrogant. But you are, so you don't. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Dec 30, 2022 14:35:51 GMT -5
You're "good with God" as you understand God. LOL. Same is true of everyone, including you. You would realize that if you weren't so arrogant. But you are, so you don't. Of course, people have differing understandings of God. Some are "man made," like yours. And some are based on prelest. Others are based on actual knowledge of the Theophany. |
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Post by oujour76 on Dec 30, 2022 14:49:13 GMT -5
Of course, people have differing understandings of God. Some are "man made," like yours. And some are based on prelest. Others are based on actual knowledge of the Theophany. LOL. More EO mumbo jumbo combined with your never-ending arrogance. Big yawn. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Dec 30, 2022 18:47:35 GMT -5
Of course, people have differing understandings of God. Some are "man made," like yours. And some are based on prelest. Others are based on actual knowledge of the Theophany. LOL. More EO mumbo jumbo combined with your never-ending arrogance. Big yawn. "EO mumbo jumbo," eh, Harry? Is Daleko's ignorance of Church history contagious, or what? That's like referring to the canonical Gospels and Pauline Epistles as, "NT mumbo jumbo." |
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Post by oujour76 on Jan 1, 2023 14:22:24 GMT -5
LOL. More EO mumbo jumbo combined with your never-ending arrogance. Big yawn. "EO mumbo jumbo," eh, Harry? Is Daleko's ignorance of Church history contagious, or what? That's like referring to the canonical Gospels and Pauline Epistles as, "NT mumbo jumbo." Yes. Mumbo jumbo. Faith is a very powerful thing and it gets used and abused by those in positions of authority. If I (and others) don’t believe exactly as your church does my soul is in immortal danger? Bullshit and eff you. |
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Post by Walter on Jan 1, 2023 15:06:06 GMT -5
"EO mumbo jumbo," eh, Harry? Is Daleko's ignorance of Church history contagious, or what? That's like referring to the canonical Gospels and Pauline Epistles as, "NT mumbo jumbo." Yes. Mumbo jumbo. Faith is a very powerful thing and it gets used and abused by those in positions of authority. If I (and others) don’t believe exactly as your church does my soul is in immortal danger? Bullshit and eff you. Your soul may not be in any danger, but your body might be. There are a ton of folk all over the planet who will not listen to anything you say because you don't believe as they do, will condescend and will not respect any differences you may have with them, and may actually kill you because of what you do or don't believe; all based on something they have absolutely no basis to believe other than pure faith. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jan 1, 2023 15:23:07 GMT -5
Yes. Mumbo jumbo. Faith is a very powerful thing and it gets used and abused by those in positions of authority. If I (and others) don’t believe exactly as your church does my soul is in immortal danger? Bullshit and eff you. Your soul may not be in any danger, but your body might be. There are a ton of folk all over the planet who will not listen to anything you say because you don't believe as they do, will condescend and will not respect any differences you may have with them, and may actually kill you because of what you do or don't believe; all based on something they have absolutely no basis to believe other than pure faith. So, there is no evidence supporting the Christian Theophany then, eh, Walter-- e.g., no first person witness testimony? Are you and Harry really that ignorant of the New Testament scriptures and the 2,000 year hagiographical literature of the Church? I'm reminded of the scripture, "When the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch."  |
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Post by oujour76 on Jan 1, 2023 15:31:35 GMT -5
Yes. Mumbo jumbo. Faith is a very powerful thing and it gets used and abused by those in positions of authority. If I (and others) don’t believe exactly as your church does my soul is in immortal danger? Bullshit and eff you. Your soul may not be in any danger, but your body might be. There are a ton of folk all over the planet who will not listen to anything you say because you don't believe as they do, will condescend and will not respect any differences you may have with them, and may actually kill you because of what you do or don't believe; all based on something they have absolutely no basis to believe other than pure faith. Never been a shortage of people killing others in the name of religion. That said, to my knowledge and FWIW, the EO Churches have never made a practice of killing so-called heretics. |
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