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Post by canefan on Apr 21, 2020 22:28:49 GMT -5
It's been forever since I flew so I'm sure I've forgotten plenty of those details. I do remember vividly when I pushed that mag back on I literally jumped into the air. I learned cheap too. Rented a 150 my brother was a partner in for fuel, $9 an hour. My flight instructor was an older fellow student who was lost in biochemistry. I tutored him through that class and he taught me to fly. And I bought the text book and taught myself ground school. My 152 trainer was $36 an hour wet, IIRC. The IFR 152 was $38, and the cool 172 that I looked at like a fighter (SO advanced! LOL) was $42, I think.
I think Brian's fee (my instructor) was $20 an hour? Too long ago to remember. I do remember that I got my ticket for a bit less than $2500 total.
Looking back on it now, and with what I know now, I think I taught MYSELF to fly. Brian was only there to keep me from killing myself. LOL Where most students have problems -- the radio -- was a cinch to me since I had been a cop for about 15 years by then. I had no choice but to learn, since we flew from a controlled airfield. The main difference was, as a cop, I called "control" AFTER I identified myself. As a pilot, you call "control" first, and THEN identify who you are.
For those who are reading this and don't get it........ "PA-5, dispatch." "Dispatch -- go ahead." Cop talk. "Baton Rouge ground, Cessna 69031." "Cessna 69031, ground, go ahead." Pilot talk. And from then on, the plane was only "031," unless there was another 031 on the freq. Never happened to me, though.
031 was flipped over and damaged by a tornado several years ago. I have a pic of that somewhere. It's still on the FAA registry, but I don't know if it was ever repaired.
You never forget your first do you. Mine was a 1968 C-150, N22284. Looked it up a few years ago and it was still flying at that time. |
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My 152 trainer was $36 an hour wet, IIRC. The IFR 152 was $38, and the cool 172 that I looked at like a fighter (SO advanced! LOL) was $42, I think.
I think Brian's fee (my instructor) was $20 an hour? Too long ago to remember. I do remember that I got my ticket for a bit less than $2500 total.
Looking back on it now, and with what I know now, I think I taught MYSELF to fly. Brian was only there to keep me from killing myself. LOL Where most students have problems -- the radio -- was a cinch to me since I had been a cop for about 15 years by then. I had no choice but to learn, since we flew from a controlled airfield. The main difference was, as a cop, I called "control" AFTER I identified myself. As a pilot, you call "control" first, and THEN identify who you are.
For those who are reading this and don't get it........ "PA-5, dispatch." "Dispatch -- go ahead." Cop talk. "Baton Rouge ground, Cessna 69031." "Cessna 69031, ground, go ahead." Pilot talk. And from then on, the plane was only "031," unless there was another 031 on the freq. Never happened to me, though.
031 was flipped over and damaged by a tornado several years ago. I have a pic of that somewhere. It's still on the FAA registry, but I don't know if it was ever repaired.
You never forget your first do you. Mine was a 1968 C-150, N22284. Looked it up a few years ago and it was still flying at that time. I also flew 67365, the other 152, and 96788, the 172. And of course 6511J, the Piper Cherokee later on.
That damn Cherokee let me down one time. I flew to I don't know remember where for a fun trip, shut down and took a break. It was an uncontrolled airfield that was deserted in the middle of the day. I went to take off and come home, and the damn thing wouldn't start. No battery!! I have never hand propped an airplane in my life, and wasn't about to make my first time all by myself. I called the FBO and the plane's owner basically told me tough luck, or something. Eventually someone showed up with a truck, and we jumped that 24V system off with a 12V truck.
Don't ask me how .............
I got the airplane back before dark and thankfully the electrical system was working enough that I didn't have to come in NORDO. I have forgotten all the procedures for that! My only other option would have been to land at an uncontrolled airport 30 miles away and call my wife to come pick me up.
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Post by canefan on Apr 21, 2020 23:06:03 GMT -5
You never forget your first do you. Mine was a 1968 C-150, N22284. Looked it up a few years ago and it was still flying at that time. I also flew 67365, the other 152, and 96788, the 172. And of course 6511J, the Piper Cherokee later on.
That damn Cherokee let me down one time. I flew to I don't know remember where for a fun trip, shut down and took a break. It was an uncontrolled airfield that was deserted in the middle of the day. I went to take off and come home, and the damn thing wouldn't start. No battery!! I have never hand propped an airplane in my life, and wasn't about to make my first time all by myself. I called the FBO and the plane's owner basically told me tough luck, or something. Eventually someone showed up with a truck, and we jumped that 24V system off with a 12V truck.
Don't ask me how .............
I got the airplane back before dark and thankfully the electrical system was working enough that I didn't have to come in NORDO. I have forgotten all the procedures for that! My only other option would have been to land at an uncontrolled airport 30 miles away and call my wife to come pick me up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 23:41:39 GMT -5
I also flew 67365, the other 152, and 96788, the 172. And of course 6511J, the Piper Cherokee later on.
That damn Cherokee let me down one time. I flew to I don't know remember where for a fun trip, shut down and took a break. It was an uncontrolled airfield that was deserted in the middle of the day. I went to take off and come home, and the damn thing wouldn't start. No battery!! I have never hand propped an airplane in my life, and wasn't about to make my first time all by myself. I called the FBO and the plane's owner basically told me tough luck, or something. Eventually someone showed up with a truck, and we jumped that 24V system off with a 12V truck.
Don't ask me how .............
I got the airplane back before dark and thankfully the electrical system was working enough that I didn't have to come in NORDO. I have forgotten all the procedures for that! My only other option would have been to land at an uncontrolled airport 30 miles away and call my wife to come pick me up.
Nothing quite like being alone in a 150 at about 5000 feet on a clear day.
It was more fun for me to instruct informally. "OK, we're at 3000 MSL .... you have the controls."
"WHAT? ?"
"Just turn the wheel, gently, in the direction you want to turn. Pull back on the yoke --gently-- if you want to go up. Push forward -- gently -- if you want to go down."
After 5 minutes of white knuckles, relaxation would set in and I'd hear "Hey this is fun!" Of course my feet were on the rudder and my hand ready to pounce on the throttle, but most of it was instinctive. Anybody can keep an airplane reasonably level and going in the same approximate direction. I'd pick a target for my victim ---- um, student/guest ---- and tell them "OK, see that big tower out there in front of us? Fly us right at it. Do whatever it takes." And they usually did.
When I was single, flying was a cool date with the right girl. No, I never made the Mile High Club. But I'm not dead yet, either. |
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Post by canefan on Apr 22, 2020 0:08:40 GMT -5
Nothing quite like being alone in a 150 at about 5000 feet on a clear day.
It was more fun for me to instruct informally. "OK, we're at 3000 MSL .... you have the controls."
"WHAT??"
"Just turn the wheel, gently, in the direction you want to turn. Pull back on the yoke --gently-- if you want to go up. Push forward -- gently -- if you want to go down."
After 5 minutes of white knuckles, relaxation would set in and I'd hear "Hey this is fun!" Of course my feet were on the rudder and my hand ready to pounce on the throttle, but most of it was instinctive. Anybody can keep an airplane reasonably level and going in the same approximate direction. I'd pick a target for my victim ---- um, student/guest ---- and tell them "OK, see that big tower out there in front of us? Fly us right at it. Do whatever it takes." And they usually did.
When I was single, flying was a cool date with the right girl. No, I never made the Mile High Club. But I'm not dead yet, either. My brother who owned the 152 used to like to take my nephew to breakfast at an airport within an hour or so of his hanger. RJ was maybe 4-5 he flew about 60 miles one Saturday morning, fed him pancakes and was flying home. It was hot and RJ fell asleep in the seat behind him (he had a Piper Arrow too). About 25 minutes into the flight RJ wakes up, leans over my brothers right shoulder and puked down his shirt into his lap. He had to fly another half hour or so before he could land and clean up a little. Did you fly in the VOR days? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 7:21:18 GMT -5
Yeah, except for being alone. I always wanted to introduce flying to someone who had never done it before. My wife flat refused. I was letting my youngest daughter fly when she was about 14 and she loved it. We were high enough not to hit parked cars or telephone poles. My granddaughter flew on occasions, but she was too small to get in the front office, so she would climb in back and show her fear by going to sleep soon into the flights.
It was more fun for me to instruct informally. "OK, we're at 3000 MSL .... you have the controls."
"WHAT??"
"Just turn the wheel, gently, in the direction you want to turn. Pull back on the yoke --gently-- if you want to go up. Push forward -- gently -- if you want to go down."
After 5 minutes of white knuckles, relaxation would set in and I'd hear "Hey this is fun!" Of course my feet were on the rudder and my hand ready to pounce on the throttle, but most of it was instinctive. Anybody can keep an airplane reasonably level and going in the same approximate direction. I'd pick a target for my victim ---- um, student/guest ---- and tell them "OK, see that big tower out there in front of us? Fly us right at it. Do whatever it takes." And they usually did.
When I was single, flying was a cool date with the right girl. No, I never made the Mile High Club. But I'm not dead yet, either. My brother who owned the 152 used to like to take my nephew to breakfast at an airport within an hour or so of his hanger. RJ was maybe 4-5 he flew about 60 miles one Saturday morning, fed him pancakes and was flying home. It was hot and RJ fell asleep in the seat behind him (he had a Piper Arrow too). About 25 minutes into the flight RJ wakes up, leans over my brothers right shoulder and puked down his shirt into his lap. He had to fly another half hour or so before he could land and clean up a little. Did you fly in the VOR days? I never puked or got puked on, but I did have to make an emergency landing once or twice because I had forgotten to drain my personal sump right before takeoff.
Yep, I flew to Natchez, MS, where the VOR was on the airport, which made that one super easy. False River airport has a VOR nearby, so I would fly to it, until I had a visual on the field, then break off and fly a visual approach.
My brother would instruct me on instruments with VOR holding patterns and such, and I flew totally under the hood at least once from BTR to Lafayette on an instrument flight and ILS approach into Lafayette. I broke out under the hood at about 100' AGL, and was lined up for a perfect landing --- aircraft configuration, airspeed, glideslope and localizer. It was easy with a pro sitting in the right seat! I knew my own bacon was never in trouble.
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Post by canefan on Apr 22, 2020 8:43:36 GMT -5
My brother who owned the 152 used to like to take my nephew to breakfast at an airport within an hour or so of his hanger. RJ was maybe 4-5 he flew about 60 miles one Saturday morning, fed him pancakes and was flying home. It was hot and RJ fell asleep in the seat behind him (he had a Piper Arrow too). About 25 minutes into the flight RJ wakes up, leans over my brothers right shoulder and puked down his shirt into his lap. He had to fly another half hour or so before he could land and clean up a little. Did you fly in the VOR days? I never puked or got puked on, but I did have to make an emergency landing once or twice because I had forgotten to drain my personal sump right before takeoff.
Yep, I flew to Natchez, MS, where the VOR was on the airport, which made that one super easy. False River airport has a VOR nearby, so I would fly to it, until I had a visual on the field, then break off and fly a visual approach.
My brother would instruct me on instruments with VOR holding patterns and such, and I flew totally under the hood at least once from BTR to Lafayette on an instrument flight and ILS approach into Lafayette. I broke out under the hood at about 100' AGL, and was lined up for a perfect landing --- aircraft configuration, airspeed, glideslope and localizer. It was easy with a pro sitting in the right seat! I knew my own bacon was never in trouble.
Ooops. We have totally taken over TW's thread. We should do this on one of his POS Trump hate threads instead.
Tom, my instructor, had quite logging his hours at about 20K, so yes, I know the feeling. He had actually flown co-pilot on the shuttle from Havana to Key West in the late '50s and was on the last flight out of Havana. And he put my ass under the hood on my first ever flight. We went out and did slow flying and power-off stalls for a couple of hours. Then he put me on the hood and told me he was going to give me directions to follow as if he was control. I was so focused on keeping the plane right side up I never noticed him communicating with the tower. He gave me directions for must have been about 15 minutes. When he finally said okay, take off the hood, I was like you, just past the numbers and a few feet off the pavement. He says now do a power-off stall and boom, set that momma down like it was on glass. Never bounced a landing after that experience. |
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I never puked or got puked on, but I did have to make an emergency landing once or twice because I had forgotten to drain my personal sump right before takeoff.
Yep, I flew to Natchez, MS, where the VOR was on the airport, which made that one super easy. False River airport has a VOR nearby, so I would fly to it, until I had a visual on the field, then break off and fly a visual approach.
My brother would instruct me on instruments with VOR holding patterns and such, and I flew totally under the hood at least once from BTR to Lafayette on an instrument flight and ILS approach into Lafayette. I broke out under the hood at about 100' AGL, and was lined up for a perfect landing --- aircraft configuration, airspeed, glideslope and localizer. It was easy with a pro sitting in the right seat! I knew my own bacon was never in trouble.
Ooops. We have totally taken over TW's thread. We should do this on one of his POS Trump hate threads instead.
Tom, my instructor, had quite logging his hours at about 20K, so yes, I know the feeling. He had actually flown co-pilot on the shuttle from Havana to Key West in the late '50s and was on the last flight out of Havana. And he put my ass under the hood on my first ever flight. We went out and did slow flying and power-off stalls for a couple of hours. Then he put me on the hood and told me he was going to give me directions to follow as if he was control. I was so focused on keeping the plane right side up I never noticed him communicating with the tower. He gave me directions for must have been about 15 minutes. When he finally said okay, take off the hood, I was like you, just past the numbers and a few feet off the pavement. He says now do a power-off stall and boom, set that momma down like it was on glass. Never bounced a landing after that experience.
No way would I put a brand new student under the hood. He has no feel for the airplane, doesn't even know how to keep it straight and level yet, has no idea what trim is for, and probably can't read a single instrument. Of course I'd be there to correct everything, but on a first flight under those conditions, I'd actually be doing all the flying anyway.
Stalls and slow flight on a first flight? That's a good way to scare a new student into never coming back. Might as well go ahead and do a spin and make sure he never comes back!
I'm glad it worked for you and him, but that's something I would never recommend.
My dad and my brother both taught me about proper landings. It's not to stall the airplane, but to get it about 2 feet off the ground and keep it flying as airspeed bleeds off. "Hold it off, hold it off, hold it off ..........." That was the mantra drilled into me. A perfect landing is touching down as the stall warn activates, or immediately after. You're on the ground with a few knots to spare over stall speed. Misjudge and stall the airplane too high, and you are in for a rough landing, or worse, a bent airplane somewhere. A lot of tricycle gear planes have bent firewalls from stalling too high and then hitting nosewheel first.
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Post by canefan on Apr 22, 2020 13:25:40 GMT -5
Tom, my instructor, had quite logging his hours at about 20K, so yes, I know the feeling. He had actually flown co-pilot on the shuttle from Havana to Key West in the late '50s and was on the last flight out of Havana. And he put my ass under the hood on my first ever flight. We went out and did slow flying and power-off stalls for a couple of hours. Then he put me on the hood and told me he was going to give me directions to follow as if he was control. I was so focused on keeping the plane right side up I never noticed him communicating with the tower. He gave me directions for must have been about 15 minutes. When he finally said okay, take off the hood, I was like you, just past the numbers and a few feet off the pavement. He says now do a power-off stall and boom, set that momma down like it was on glass. Never bounced a landing after that experience.
No way would I put a brand new student under the hood. He has no feel for the airplane, doesn't even know how to keep it straight and level yet, has no idea what trim is for, and probably can't read a single instrument. Of course I'd be there to correct everything, but on a first flight under those conditions, I'd actually be doing all the flying anyway.
Stalls and slow flight on a first flight? That's a good way to scare a new student into never coming back. Might as well go ahead and do a spin and make sure he never comes back!
I'm glad it worked for you and him, but that's something I would never recommend.
My dad and my brother both taught me about proper landings. It's not to stall the airplane, but to get it about 2 feet off the ground and keep it flying as airspeed bleeds off. "Hold it off, hold it off, hold it off ..........." That was the mantra drilled into me. A perfect landing is touching down as the stall warn activates, or immediately after. You're on the ground with a few knots to spare over stall speed. Misjudge and stall the airplane too high, and you are in for a rough landing, or worse, a bent airplane somewhere. A lot of tricycle gear planes have bent firewalls from stalling too high and then hitting nosewheel first.
That's the only first flight I was ever on, so it just seemed normal to me. Tom did say the old 150 was pretty much student proof, noting he had seen students bounce them fifty feet off the runway before. He did always say I was a natural, but he wouldn't have known that at that point. He did once, as we were on final approach, take the controls away and swing us about fifty feet right of the runway, saying a big gust of wind caught me. His explanation was that I had never bounced a landing and he wanted me to experience a rough landing in order to be prepared for it if I ever had one on my own. But he had a hell of a lot of experience so I sure as hell can't argue with is way of doing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 14:52:00 GMT -5
Gotta say your instructor had more balls than I ever would.
No way would I put a brand new student under the hood. He has no feel for the airplane, doesn't even know how to keep it straight and level yet, has no idea what trim is for, and probably can't read a single instrument. Of course I'd be there to correct everything, but on a first flight under those conditions, I'd actually be doing all the flying anyway.
Stalls and slow flight on a first flight? That's a good way to scare a new student into never coming back. Might as well go ahead and do a spin and make sure he never comes back!
I'm glad it worked for you and him, but that's something I would never recommend.
My dad and my brother both taught me about proper landings. It's not to stall the airplane, but to get it about 2 feet off the ground and keep it flying as airspeed bleeds off. "Hold it off, hold it off, hold it off ..........." That was the mantra drilled into me. A perfect landing is touching down as the stall warn activates, or immediately after. You're on the ground with a few knots to spare over stall speed. Misjudge and stall the airplane too high, and you are in for a rough landing, or worse, a bent airplane somewhere. A lot of tricycle gear planes have bent firewalls from stalling too high and then hitting nosewheel first.
That's the only first flight I was ever on, so it just seemed normal to me. Tom did say the old 150 was pretty much student proof, noting he had seen students bounce them fifty feet off the runway before. He did always say I was a natural, but he wouldn't have known that at that point. He did once, as we were on final approach, take the controls away and swing us about fifty feet right of the runway, saying a big gust of wind caught me. His explanation was that I had never bounced a landing and he wanted me to experience a rough landing in order to be prepared for it if I ever had one on my own. But he had a hell of a lot of experience so I sure as hell can't argue with is way of doing it. I knew how all the controls worked and what all the flight instruments meant before I ever got into a cockpit, but the actual doing it was different than imagining it. And you can't simulate up- and down drafts sitting on the ground.
You and I definitely had different experiences, but if Tom produced a safe, competent pilot, that's all that really matters in the long run.
I sure ain't qualified enough to say too much about it.
The last entry as PIC in my logbook is 12/30/2004. I know I have flown since then, but not with a legal medical. I didn't log flights where I was a guest pilot.
I need to rent an airplane and an instructor and see what I can do without scaring him or myself half to death. It just ain't cheap like it was in the old days.
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Post by canefan on Apr 22, 2020 15:11:37 GMT -5
That's the only first flight I was ever on, so it just seemed normal to me. Tom did say the old 150 was pretty much student proof, noting he had seen students bounce them fifty feet off the runway before. He did always say I was a natural, but he wouldn't have known that at that point. He did once, as we were on final approach, take the controls away and swing us about fifty feet right of the runway, saying a big gust of wind caught me. His explanation was that I had never bounced a landing and he wanted me to experience a rough landing in order to be prepared for it if I ever had one on my own. But he had a hell of a lot of experience so I sure as hell can't argue with is way of doing it. I knew how all the controls worked and what all the flight instruments meant before I ever got into a cockpit, but the actual doing it was different than imagining it. And you can't simulate up- and down drafts sitting on the ground.
You and I definitely had different experiences, but if Tom produced a safe, competent pilot, that's all that really matters in the long run.
I sure ain't qualified enough to say too much about it.
The last entry as PIC in my logbook is 12/30/2004. I know I have flown since then, but not with a legal medical. I didn't log flights where I was a guest pilot.
I need to rent an airplane and an instructor and see what I can do without scaring him or myself half to death. It just ain't cheap like it was in the old days.
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Post by daleko on Apr 22, 2020 18:29:16 GMT -5
For me, flying an open cockpit Stearman is the top of the mark.
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I knew how all the controls worked and what all the flight instruments meant before I ever got into a cockpit, but the actual doing it was different than imagining it. And you can't simulate up- and down drafts sitting on the ground.
You and I definitely had different experiences, but if Tom produced a safe, competent pilot, that's all that really matters in the long run.
I sure ain't qualified enough to say too much about it.
The last entry as PIC in my logbook is 12/30/2004. I know I have flown since then, but not with a legal medical. I didn't log flights where I was a guest pilot.
I need to rent an airplane and an instructor and see what I can do without scaring him or myself half to death. It just ain't cheap like it was in the old days.
My son got his private ticket for free, but he had to join the military to do it.😁 A buddy of mine did his private ticket about 15 or so years ago and spent thousands on it.i even quite taking Flying magazine years ago so my knowledge is fairly old. I used to subscribe to "Flight Training." That was a good one, even for experienced pilots. The other flying magazines were geared at rich people. They would advertise RADIOS I couldn't afford!
I had wanted Uncle Sam to pay me to learn to fly helicopters, but by that time I was wearing glasses and the recruiter told me "no chance." My older brother got his private while in AFROTC at LSU, then the Air Force taught him to drive and instruct in the bigger toys. Of course he had to go play in the jungles of SEAsia and the beaches of the Middle East later on, but that's part of the fun. Going to war twice in unarmed airplanes is NOT my idea of fun. And neither airplane had bang seats.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 18:35:53 GMT -5
For me, flying an open cockpit Stearman is the top of the mark.
I'm scared of heights!!!
Although I did always want a Jenny or an S.E. 5.
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