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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Apr 27, 2020 12:58:26 GMT -5
Just got the bill from the Rocky Mountain Surgery Center for my recent clavicle repair.
$23,000... And that doesn't include the physician fees for the orthopedic surgeon and anesthesiologist!
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Post by canefan on Apr 27, 2020 15:53:43 GMT -5
Just got the bill from the Rocky Mountain Surgery Center for my recent clavicle repair. $23,000... And that doesn't include the physician fees for the orthopedic surgeon and anesthesiologist! I had an intra-articular cortisone injection in my hip last year. Was in the facility for maybe thirty minutes, including the time waiting in the reception area. They billed my Medicare $26,000. They got paid about $140, which I thought was still a bit high for what they did. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Apr 27, 2020 18:17:36 GMT -5
Just got the bill from the Rocky Mountain Surgery Center for my recent clavicle repair. $23,000... And that doesn't include the physician fees for the orthopedic surgeon and anesthesiologist! I had an intra-articular cortisone injection in my hip last year. Was in the facility for maybe thirty minutes, including the time waiting in the reception area. They billed my Medicare $26,000. They got paid about $140, which I thought was still a bit high for what they did.
Not sure how my $23,000 surgery center bill will be adjudicated, but good Lord! Imagine people in America getting stuck paying these kind of bills out-of-pocket!
It's vulture capitalism at its worst-- $23,000 facility fees for a two hour, out-patient procedure!
I don't object to paying a reasonable fee for high-tech, high quality medical services, but this is just highway robbery-- even worse than my $2,800 bill for a one hour drop-in at the local ER after I broke my clavicle; a fee which did not include the cost of the X-ray or the very brief conversation (across the room) with the ER doc.
It was a bit of a struggle to even find a surgery center covered by my CIGNA insurance that was open during the COVID lock down here, but a $23,000 facility fee?
No wonder Americans are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare than other G-7 nations, while ranking 21st in public health outcomes.
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Post by AlaCowboy on Apr 27, 2020 19:53:06 GMT -5
I had an intra-articular cortisone injection in my hip last year. Was in the facility for maybe thirty minutes, including the time waiting in the reception area. They billed my Medicare $26,000. They got paid about $140, which I thought was still a bit high for what they did. Not sure how my $23,000 surgery center bill will be adjudicated, but good Lord! Imagine people in America getting stuck paying these kind of bills out-of-pocket! It's vulture capitalism at its worst-- $23,000 facility fees for a two hour, out-patient procedure! I don't object to paying a reasonable fee for high-tech, high quality medical services, but this is just highway robbery-- even worse than my $2,800 bill for a one hour drop-in at the local ER after I broke my clavicle; a fee which did not include the cost of the X-ray or the very brief conversation (across the room) with the ER doc.
It was a bit of a struggle to even find a surgery center covered by my CIGNA insurance that was open during the COVID lock down here, but a $23,000 facility fee? No wonder Americans are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare than other G-7 nations, while ranking 21st in public health outcomes.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Apr 27, 2020 22:11:29 GMT -5
Not sure how my $23,000 surgery center bill will be adjudicated, but good Lord! Imagine people in America getting stuck paying these kind of bills out-of-pocket! It's vulture capitalism at its worst-- $23,000 facility fees for a two hour, out-patient procedure! I don't object to paying a reasonable fee for high-tech, high quality medical services, but this is just highway robbery-- even worse than my $2,800 bill for a one hour drop-in at the local ER after I broke my clavicle; a fee which did not include the cost of the X-ray or the very brief conversation (across the room) with the ER doc.
It was a bit of a struggle to even find a surgery center covered by my CIGNA insurance that was open during the COVID lock down here, but a $23,000 facility fee? No wonder Americans are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare than other G-7 nations, while ranking 21st in public health outcomes.
$600 is $400 less than what you owe me for your 4/27/15 bet that I do not have an M.D. from Harvard.
You've been a welsher now for five years today, Dungkopf. Congratulations... 
P.S. Frankly, I don't give a damn about the $1,000 you owe me.
What bothers me is that you keep lying about my medical credentials.
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Post by canefan on May 3, 2020 21:28:42 GMT -5
I had an intra-articular cortisone injection in my hip last year. Was in the facility for maybe thirty minutes, including the time waiting in the reception area. They billed my Medicare $26,000. They got paid about $140, which I thought was still a bit high for what they did.
Not sure how my $23,000 surgery center bill will be adjudicated, but good Lord! Imagine people in America getting stuck paying these kind of bills out-of-pocket!
It's vulture capitalism at its worst-- $23,000 facility fees for a two hour, out-patient procedure!
I don't object to paying a reasonable fee for high-tech, high quality medical services, but this is just highway robbery-- even worse than my $2,800 bill for a one hour drop-in at the local ER after I broke my clavicle; a fee which did not include the cost of the X-ray or the very brief conversation (across the room) with the ER doc.
It was a bit of a struggle to even find a surgery center covered by my CIGNA insurance that was open during the COVID lock down here, but a $23,000 facility fee?
No wonder Americans are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare than other G-7 nations, while ranking 21st in public health outcomes.
Bottom line, they don't get stuck paying them. The reason, or one of the reasons, they bill so high is because they get paid nothing on so many claims. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on May 4, 2020 18:47:49 GMT -5
Not sure how my $23,000 surgery center bill will be adjudicated, but good Lord! Imagine people in America getting stuck paying these kind of bills out-of-pocket!
It's vulture capitalism at its worst-- $23,000 facility fees for a two hour, out-patient procedure!
I don't object to paying a reasonable fee for high-tech, high quality medical services, but this is just highway robbery-- even worse than my $2,800 bill for a one hour drop-in at the local ER after I broke my clavicle; a fee which did not include the cost of the X-ray or the very brief conversation (across the room) with the ER doc.
It was a bit of a struggle to even find a surgery center covered by my CIGNA insurance that was open during the COVID lock down here, but a $23,000 facility fee?
No wonder Americans are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare than other G-7 nations, while ranking 21st in public health outcomes.
Bottom line, they don't get stuck paying them. The reason, or one of the reasons, they bill so high is because they get paid nothing on so many claims.
But, in fact, many working class Americans are driven to bankruptcy by aggressive hospital bill collectors-- especially prior to Obamacare (and since Trump's inauguration.) In my medical practice, I never turned a single patient over to collectors. Not my style. If they couldn't pay, I would write it off.
Heard a story on Colorado Public Radio today about centers providing elective surgery in Colorado facing enormous financial losses, and being on the brink of bankruptcy. It reminds me of stories about other hugely profitable industries-- Big Oil, Boeing, etc.-- seeking bailouts. What did the CEOs do with their multi-billion dollar profits and tax cuts in recent years? Boeing's CEO spent 96% of the Trump/GOP tax cuts on stock buybacks.
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Post by canefan on May 4, 2020 19:34:10 GMT -5
Bottom line, they don't get stuck paying them. The reason, or one of the reasons, they bill so high is because they get paid nothing on so many claims. But, in fact, many working class Americans are driven to bankruptcy by aggressive hospital bill collectors-- especially prior to Obamacare (and since Trump's inauguration.) In my medical practice, I never turned a single patient over to collectors. Not my style. If they couldn't pay, I would write it off.
Heard a story on Colorado Public Radio today about centers providing elective surgery in Colorado facing enormous financial losses, and being on the brink of bankruptcy. It reminds me of stories about other hugely profitable industries-- Big Oil, Boeing, etc.-- seeking bailouts. What did the CEOs do with their multi-billion dollar profits and tax cuts in recent years? Boeing's CEO spent 96% of the Trump/GOP tax cuts on stock buybacks.
Obamacare actually increased the problem. We went from people having deductibles anywhere from $500 to $2500 to routinely having most patients with $5000 to $10,000 deductibles. Yes, the extremely poor got a lot of cheap first dollar coverage but the offset was the majority of the country went to high deductible plans with very high out of pocket requirements for any insurance payment. Thankfully I was retired before the ACA went into effect, but every time I visited my primary care doc for a check up he was livid about it. |
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