Should Biden Pardon Trump?

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 29, 2021 10:29:45 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 29, 2021 9:20:39 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

I agree. If he violated the law he should be prosecuted in civil or criminal court. This impeachment is a political witch hunt, just like the last one. Democrats in Congress stated before Trump was even inaugurated that they would impeach him. They did, and it failed. If Democrats really want to unify the country they will work out a compromise Trump and Democrats will accept.

Who gives a shit what TFP 'will accept'?
As Romney said, (and I paraphrase), "Until Trump and his followers admit the Election Fraud argument was a lie, there is no reason to compromise anything."

The problem with Romney's comment is that the winning side claims no fraud but the losing side doesn't believe them. There may not have been as much fraud as Trump claims, but there was indeed some election fraud. Until Democrats admit there was some fraud involved with the haphazard way mail ballots were sent out and subsequently counted, and then make honest steps to correct it, then election fraud will continue to be a source of antagonism among Republicans and some Independents.

[Walter]

Jan 29, 2021 17:02:12 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jan 29, 2021 10:29:45 GMT -5 Walter said:

Who gives a shit what TFP 'will accept'?
As Romney said, (and I paraphrase), "Until Trump and his followers admit the Election Fraud argument was a lie, there is no reason to compromise anything."

The problem with Romney's comment is that the winning side claims no fraud but the losing side doesn't believe them. There may not have been as much fraud as Trump claims, but there was indeed some election fraud. Until Democrats admit there was some fraud involved with the haphazard way mail ballots were sent out and subsequently counted, and then make honest steps to correct it, then election fraud will continue to be a source of antagonism among Republicans and some Independents.

You are free to post evidence of fraud.
TFP took 60 shots at it and came up with exactly squat.
Fred is still posting bullshit that was debunked in November for the 3rd time like it just happened.

Ah, but maybe you can do better.
Go ahead and post something to back up your claim.

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 29, 2021 18:16:35 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 29, 2021 17:02:12 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

The problem with Romney's comment is that the winning side claims no fraud but the losing side doesn't believe them. There may not have been as much fraud as Trump claims, but there was indeed some election fraud. Until Democrats admit there was some fraud involved with the haphazard way mail ballots were sent out and subsequently counted, and then make honest steps to correct it, then election fraud will continue to be a source of antagonism among Republicans and some Independents.

You are free to post evidence of fraud.
TFP took 60 shots at it and came up with exactly squat.
Fred is still posting bullshit that was debunked in November for the 3rd time like it just happened.

Ah, but maybe you can do better.
Go ahead and post something to back up your claim.

The "debunking" was done by the Democrats and their media allies, and the Republican career politicians that exemplify the Washington problem. If you actually believe there was not a fraudulent ballot cast in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, and other states, then you are the prime example of the type of voter crooked politicians seek out.

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 29, 2021 19:00:42 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jan 29, 2021 18:16:35 GMT -5 Walter said:

You are free to post evidence of fraud.
TFP took 60 shots at it and came up with exactly squat.
Fred is still posting bullshit that was debunked in November for the 3rd time like it just happened.

Ah, but maybe you can do better.
Go ahead and post something to back up your claim.

The "debunking" was done by the Democrats and their media allies, and the Republican career politicians that exemplify the Washington problem. If you actually believe there was not a fraudulent ballot cast in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, and other states, then you are the prime example of the type of voter crooked politicians seek out.

The question was never no fraudulent ballots. In EVERY election, there is a small number of fraudulent ballots. The question is whether it was sufficient to change the outcome, and the answer to that is “no”. Republicans had 60 something opportunities to present ANY evidence of fraud. They presented none. In many of them, not only did they not allege it, they made open statements in court that they weren’t pursuing claims of fraud.

This idea that there was some massive media cover up is simply nonsense. It should be telling for you that Republicans held “hearings” on TV, but then didn’t actually present any of these findings to a judge.

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 29, 2021 23:38:59 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 29, 2021 19:00:42 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

The "debunking" was done by the Democrats and their media allies, and the Republican career politicians that exemplify the Washington problem. If you actually believe there was not a fraudulent ballot cast in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, and other states, then you are the prime example of the type of voter crooked politicians seek out.

The question was never no fraudulent ballots. In EVERY election, there is a small number of fraudulent ballots. The question is whether it was sufficient to change the outcome, and the answer to that is “no”. Republicans had 60 something opportunities to present ANY evidence of fraud. They presented none. In many of them, not only did they not allege it, they made open statements in court that they weren’t pursuing claims of fraud.

This idea that there was some massive media cover up is simply nonsense. It should be telling for you that Republicans held “hearings” on TV, but then didn’t actually present any of these findings to a judge.

We'll never know if there was enough fraud to change the outcome in certain races (Georgia Senate races and runoff for example) because the affected counties and voting precincts were controlled by Democrats. Those midnight ballot counts without media and independent observation were violations of the election law in Georgia. Having candidates openly proclaim that voters will get $2,000 if Democrats get elected to the Georgia Senate, having homeless people register to vote using a soup kitchen warehouse as their address to send their mail-in ballot should have been scrutinized by federal officials but wasn't even mentioned on the Democrat news media.

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 30, 2021 9:44:48 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jan 29, 2021 23:38:59 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

The question was never no fraudulent ballots. In EVERY election, there is a small number of fraudulent ballots. The question is whether it was sufficient to change the outcome, and the answer to that is “no”. Republicans had 60 something opportunities to present ANY evidence of fraud. They presented none. In many of them, not only did they not allege it, they made open statements in court that they weren’t pursuing claims of fraud.

This idea that there was some massive media cover up is simply nonsense. It should be telling for you that Republicans held “hearings” on TV, but then didn’t actually present any of these findings to a judge.

We'll never know if there was enough fraud to change the outcome in certain races (Georgia Senate races and runoff for example) because the affected counties and voting precincts were controlled by Democrats. Those midnight ballot counts without media and independent observation were violations of the election law in Georgia. Having candidates openly proclaim that voters will get $2,000 if Democrats get elected to the Georgia Senate, having homeless people register to vote using a soup kitchen warehouse as their address to send their mail-in ballot should have been scrutinized by federal officials but wasn't even mentioned on the Democrat news media.

Trump was in charge of those federal officials. If they should and weren’t...who is that on? And in any event, what “should” have been done isn’t proof of fraud.

Trump had the right to petition a Court regarding fraud. He didn’t.

And it isn’t illegal to use a soup kitchen address to register to vote in Georgia. Homeless people are legally allowed to vote and the address necessary is simply a place where they can receive mail.

And that “open proclamation” of $2,000 was referencing the stimulus checks as part of the program to help people in a Covid crisis...no different from any other policy promise that a candidate makes.

[Walter]

Jan 30, 2021 10:51:25 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 30, 2021 9:44:48 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

We'll never know if there was enough fraud to change the outcome in certain races (Georgia Senate races and runoff for example) because the affected counties and voting precincts were controlled by Democrats. Those midnight ballot counts without media and independent observation were violations of the election law in Georgia. Having candidates openly proclaim that voters will get $2,000 if Democrats get elected to the Georgia Senate, having homeless people register to vote using a soup kitchen warehouse as their address to send their mail-in ballot should have been scrutinized by federal officials but wasn't even mentioned on the Democrat news media.

Trump was in charge of those federal officials. If they should and weren’t...who is that on? And in any event, what “should” have been done isn’t proof of fraud.

Trump had the right to petition a Court regarding fraud. He didn’t.

And it isn’t illegal to use a soup kitchen address to register to vote in Georgia. Homeless people are legally allowed to vote and the address necessary is simply a place where they can receive mail.

And that “open proclamation” of $2,000 was referencing the stimulus checks as part of the program to help people in a Covid crisis...no different from any other policy promise that a candidate makes.

...and the "midnight ballot counts" was debunked by Republican election officials. And even if it did happen, a hand recount would have uncovered it, but found no significant inaccuracy.

Repeating the same lies about it doesn't make it any less a lie.

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 30, 2021 11:25:34 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 30, 2021 10:51:25 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Trump was in charge of those federal officials. If they should and weren’t...who is that on? And in any event, what “should” have been done isn’t proof of fraud.

Trump had the right to petition a Court regarding fraud. He didn’t.

And it isn’t illegal to use a soup kitchen address to register to vote in Georgia. Homeless people are legally allowed to vote and the address necessary is simply a place where they can receive mail.

And that “open proclamation” of $2,000 was referencing the stimulus checks as part of the program to help people in a Covid crisis...no different from any other policy promise that a candidate makes.

...and the "midnight ballot counts" was debunked by Republican election officials. And even if it did happen, a hand recount would have uncovered it, but found no significant inaccuracy.

Repeating the same lies about it doesn't make it any less a lie.

Exactly. You keep repeating the "no voter fraud" lie but it is still a lie.

[Walter]

Jan 30, 2021 14:57:49 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jan 30, 2021 11:25:34 GMT -5 Walter said:

...and the "midnight ballot counts" was debunked by Republican election officials. And even if it did happen, a hand recount would have uncovered it, but found no significant inaccuracy.

Repeating the same lies about it doesn't make it any less a lie.

Exactly. You keep repeating the "no voter fraud" lie but it is still a lie.

Still waiting for you to post evidence of election fraud.