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Post by canefan on Mar 13, 2022 21:53:26 GMT -5
old, obsolete and not relevant? I guess I’m having one of those moments. I did what I was told by my parents, teachers, bosses and ministers/pastors, obeyed the rules, worked hard and paid my dues. Where does that leave me today? A nation, I swore to protect and love; I can’t figure what happened. All the things I was taught was right, is now somehow wrong or not “woke”. I still don’t get that. I remember days of Democrats being Tip O’Neill, JFK and Harry Truman, not what we have now. Donald Trump may have been mean, angry, and tweeting something some pussy, whinny, millennial asshole would’ve not liked, but where are we? I truly fear where we are going, I’m on the down side of life now, old but not too old, but I don’t have 40 or 50 more. A President who claims who counts the votes is more important than the votes. Really? I’m everything bad under the sun because I’m not brown or black, because I worked my whole life and paid my taxes, really? I guess the country moved on without me. Yet, I will not ring the bell. |
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Post by Walter on Mar 14, 2022 11:02:48 GMT -5
old, obsolete and not relevant? I guess I’m having one of those moments. I did what I was told by my parents, teachers, bosses and ministers/pastors, obeyed the rules, worked hard and paid my dues. Where does that leave me today? A nation, I swore to protect and love; I can’t figure what happened. All the things I was taught was right, is now somehow wrong or not “woke”. I still don’t get that. I remember days of Democrats being Tip O’Neill, JFK and Harry Truman, not what we have now. Donald Trump may have been mean, angry, and tweeting something some pussy, whinny, millennial asshole would’ve not liked, but where are we? I truly fear where we are going, I’m on the down side of life now, old but not too old, but I don’t have 40 or 50 more. A President who claims who counts the votes is more important than the votes. Really? I’m everything bad under the sun because I’m not brown or black, because I worked my whole life and paid my taxes, really? I guess the country moved on without me. Yet, I will not ring the bell. I remember as a kid asking my father how it could possibly be that society stripped American citizens of their constitutional rights, seized their property and sent them to internment camps, and (to paraphrase your words), parents, teachers, bosses, and clergy all agreed that it was the right thing to do. He had no answer. He shrugged, and said, "That was just how things were. You didn't question it." In today's conservative vernacular, what he meant was, "We weren't 'woke'". So what happens if/when you discover that your parents, teachers, bosses and ministers/pastors are/were wrong? At what point do you question the foundation upon which your life is constructed if you start questioning these things and find them wanting? Do you wake up, or do you shrug your shoulders and lament that, "that's just how things are."? |
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Post by canefan on Mar 14, 2022 17:32:13 GMT -5
I remember as a kid asking my father how it could possibly be that society stripped American citizens of their constitutional rights, seized their property and sent them to internment camps, and (to paraphrase your words), parents, teachers, bosses, and clergy all agreed that it was the right thing to do. He had no answer. He shrugged, and said, "That was just how things were. You didn't question it." In today's conservative vernacular, what he meant was, "We weren't 'woke'". So what happens if/when you discover that your parents, teachers, bosses and ministers/pastors are/were wrong? At what point do you question the foundation upon which your life is constructed if you start questioning these things and find them wanting? Do you wake up, or do you shrug your shoulders and lament that, "that's just how things are."? I think it would be more along the lines of that's how things were. I've heard it said many times and agree that you cannot judge the actions and decisions of people in the past based on the standards and knowledge of today. Today the majority of people understand just how horrible the concept of slavery was. Two to three hundred years ago the majority just accepted it as the "common knowledge" of the time was that it was fine, the African people were somehow less than people. Centuries before they found entertainment feeding prisoners to the lions. I try to focus on how far we have come as a society instead of how bad we used to be. And I believe as aware as we all think we are today, one hundred years from now people will be shaking their heads wondering how we could have felt (fill in the blank) was okay by their standards. Bottom line, I guess it's all relative. |
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Post by Walter on Mar 14, 2022 18:15:59 GMT -5
I remember as a kid asking my father how it could possibly be that society stripped American citizens of their constitutional rights, seized their property and sent them to internment camps, and (to paraphrase your words), parents, teachers, bosses, and clergy all agreed that it was the right thing to do. He had no answer. He shrugged, and said, "That was just how things were. You didn't question it." In today's conservative vernacular, what he meant was, "We weren't 'woke'". So what happens if/when you discover that your parents, teachers, bosses and ministers/pastors are/were wrong? At what point do you question the foundation upon which your life is constructed if you start questioning these things and find them wanting? Do you wake up, or do you shrug your shoulders and lament that, "that's just how things are."? I think it would be more along the lines of that's how things were. I've heard it said many times and agree that you cannot judge the actions and decisions of people in the past based on the standards and knowledge of today. Today the majority of people understand just how horrible the concept of slavery was. Two to three hundred years ago the majority just accepted it as the "common knowledge" of the time was that it was fine, the African people were somehow less than people. Centuries before they found entertainment feeding prisoners to the lions. I try to focus on how far we have come as a society instead of how bad we used to be. And I believe as aware as we all think we are today, one hundred years from now people will be shaking their heads wondering how we could have felt (fill in the blank) was okay by their standards. Bottom line, I guess it's all relative. I agree with that to some degree. But in saying that, the follow-up comment, "...All the things I was taught was right, is now somehow wrong or not “woke”. I still don’t get that...", makes little sense. Clearly you DO get that, no? |
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Post by canefan on Mar 14, 2022 23:27:45 GMT -5
I think it would be more along the lines of that's how things were. I've heard it said many times and agree that you cannot judge the actions and decisions of people in the past based on the standards and knowledge of today. Today the majority of people understand just how horrible the concept of slavery was. Two to three hundred years ago the majority just accepted it as the "common knowledge" of the time was that it was fine, the African people were somehow less than people. Centuries before they found entertainment feeding prisoners to the lions. I try to focus on how far we have come as a society instead of how bad we used to be. And I believe as aware as we all think we are today, one hundred years from now people will be shaking their heads wondering how we could have felt (fill in the blank) was okay by their standards. Bottom line, I guess it's all relative. I agree with that to some degree. But in saying that, the follow-up comment, "...All the things I was taught was right, is now somehow wrong or not “woke”. I still don’t get that...", makes little sense. Clearly you DO get that, no? Absolutely. It's a weird world now days and trying to make sense of things can really give you a headache. A few years back I was on a board discussing something and mentioned an Oriental person. I had no clue that this term was now derogatory. I wonder about :colored people.' Today that's derogatory, yet we still have the NAACP, "COLORED PEOPLE.: If it's so bad why haven't they changed their name. How about "person of color?" I guess meaning everyone except white people. But wait, isn't white a color? It's confusing at times. I asked some gay friends one day what the Q in LGBQ was for. They said queer and many want to be called that now because it doesn't project a gender. Hell, when I was a kid queer was about the worst insult possible. And don't even start me on "my pronouns are they and them." The world's gone mad. |
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