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Post by daleko on Sept 30, 2022 1:13:38 GMT -5
Rubbish. Guns were readily available and there was no discussion to gun control within the Colonies. The new .gov was essentially broke with a small standing Army and in 1791 lost 1/4 of the Army to a bunch of Indians. Battle of the Wabash. Armed citizens were the only answer to the necessary expansion. Self protection was the rule. A rule Blacks today seem to embrace, given their gun buying habits. Had the Brits come back................ Corralling a small group of Slaves, that, at that time had little functional use before the GIN and a depressed cotton market, was of minimal concern. You are a small picture thinker Willie.
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Post by oujour76 on Sept 30, 2022 15:43:54 GMT -5
Rubbish. Guns were readily available and there was no discussion to gun control within the Colonies. The new .gov was essentially broke with a small standing Army and in 1791 lost 1/4 of the Army to a bunch of Indians. Battle of the Wabash. Armed citizens were the only answer to the necessary expansion. Self protection was the rule. A rule Blacks today seem to embrace, given their gun buying habits. Had the Brits come back................ Corralling a small group of Slaves, that, at that time had little functional use before the GIN and a depressed cotton market, was of minimal concern. You are a small picture thinker Willie. |
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Post by Walter on Sept 30, 2022 15:54:27 GMT -5
Rubbish. Guns were readily available and there was no discussion to gun control within the Colonies. The new .gov was essentially broke with a small standing Army and in 1791 lost 1/4 of the Army to a bunch of Indians. Battle of the Wabash. Armed citizens were the only answer to the necessary expansion. Self protection was the rule. A rule Blacks today seem to embrace, given their gun buying habits. Had the Brits come back................ Corralling a small group of Slaves, that, at that time had little functional use before the GIN and a depressed cotton market, was of minimal concern. You are a small picture thinker Willie. Uh...so a bunch of things that happened AFTER the 2nd A passed inspired the 2nd A? Say what? Odd looking 'forest'... |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Sept 30, 2022 16:01:09 GMT -5
Rubbish. Guns were readily available and there was no discussion to gun control within the Colonies. The new .gov was essentially broke with a small standing Army and in 1791 lost 1/4 of the Army to a bunch of Indians. Battle of the Wabash. Armed citizens were the only answer to the necessary expansion. Self protection was the rule. A rule Blacks today seem to embrace, given their gun buying habits. Had the Brits come back................ Corralling a small group of Slaves, that, at that time had little functional use before the GIN and a depressed cotton market, was of minimal concern. You are a small picture thinker Willie. Get a clue, Harry. I've always been a big picture guy, and a student of history. In fact, this is a big picture subject-- the relationship between guns and slavery. If you and Daleko take a look at the phraseology of the Second Amendment, it referred to preventing the Federal government from interfering with the rights of state militias to arm themselves. What were these late 18th century armed state militias for in the Southern colonies? Mainly slave patrols. That was true right up to Harper's Ferry and the Civil War. Robert E. Lee suppressed John Brown's slave rebellion with Virginia's well-regulated state militia. Daleko is correct about the role of state/colonial militias in fighting Native Americans along the western frontiers, but by 1789, the Native American hostiles of the 13 colonies had mostly been killed or driven westward. The main security concern in Virginia and the Carolinas was keeping the slave populations under control. They were slave cultures of violence, oppression, and even torture. |
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Post by daleko on Sept 30, 2022 16:09:46 GMT -5
Rubbish. Guns were readily available and there was no discussion to gun control within the Colonies. The new .gov was essentially broke with a small standing Army and in 1791 lost 1/4 of the Army to a bunch of Indians. Battle of the Wabash. Armed citizens were the only answer to the necessary expansion. Self protection was the rule. A rule Blacks today seem to embrace, given their gun buying habits. Had the Brits come back................ Corralling a small group of Slaves, that, at that time had little functional use before the GIN and a depressed cotton market, was of minimal concern. You are a small picture thinker Willie. Uh...so a bunch of things that happened AFTER the 2nd A passed inspired the 2nd A? Say what? Odd looking 'forest'... |
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Post by daleko on Sept 30, 2022 16:23:10 GMT -5
Yep. Small picture thinkers only see trees, not the whole forest. Get a clue, Harry. I've always been a big picture guy, and a student of history. In fact, this is a big picture subject-- the relationship between guns and slavery. If you and Daleko take a look at the phraseology of the Second Amendment, it referred to preventing the Federal government from interfering with the rights of state militias to arm themselves. What were these late 18th century armed state militias for in the Southern colonies? Mainly slave patrols. That was true right up to Harper's Ferry and the Civil War. Robert E. Lee suppressed John Brown's slave rebellion with Virginia's well-regulated state militia. Daleko is correct about the role of state/colonial militias in fighting Native Americans along the western frontiers, but by 1789, the Native American hostiles of the 13 colonies had mostly been killed or driven westward. The main security concern in Virginia and the Carolinas was keeping the slave populations under control. They were slave cultures of violence, oppression, and even torture. |
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Post by Panama pfRedd on Sept 30, 2022 16:38:25 GMT -5
Pretty obvious who the racists are here - the ones who constantly bring up slaves and Jim Crow, the ones who belong to the party of slavery.
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Post by Walter on Sept 30, 2022 17:43:45 GMT -5
Uh...so a bunch of things that happened AFTER the 2nd A passed inspired the 2nd A? Say what? Odd looking 'forest'... It wasn't the only or perhaps the first reason for it, but it most certainly was a factor. After all, one of the reasons state militias existed at all in slave states was to put down slave rebellions. So obviously it played a part, though not the only part. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Sept 30, 2022 17:55:07 GMT -5
Get a clue, Harry. I've always been a big picture guy, and a student of history. In fact, this is a big picture subject-- the relationship between guns and slavery. If you and Daleko take a look at the phraseology of the Second Amendment, it referred to preventing the Federal government from interfering with the rights of state militias to arm themselves. What were these late 18th century armed state militias for in the Southern colonies? Mainly slave patrols. That was true right up to Harper's Ferry and the Civil War. Robert E. Lee suppressed John Brown's slave rebellion with Virginia's well-regulated state militia. Daleko is correct about the role of state/colonial militias in fighting Native Americans along the western frontiers, but by 1789, the Native American hostiles of the 13 colonies had mostly been killed or driven westward. The main security concern in Virginia and the Carolinas was keeping the slave populations under control. They were slave cultures of violence, oppression, and even torture. Well, Daleko, the poorly named Professor Bogus of Roger Williams Law School disagrees with you. Do you think his historical analysis is bogus?  Bogus: Slavery and the 2nd Amendment
Professor Carl Bogus says the 2nd Amendment was enacted to assure Southern states that Congress would not undermine the slave system.law.rwu.edu/news/news-archive/bogus-slavery-and-2nd-amendment
February 27, 2003 Excerpted from "The Hidden History of the Second Amendment" by Carl T. Bogus, published in the University of California at Davis Law Review, Vol. 31 (1998)
"This Article challenges the insurrectionist model [the theory of the Second Amendment predicated on the idea that 'the ultimate purpose of an armed citizenry is to be prepared to fight the government itself']. The Second Amendment was not enacted to provide a check on government tyranny; rather, it was written to assure the Southern states that Congress would not undermine the slave system by using its newly acquired constitutional authority over the militia to disarm the state militia and thereby destroy the South's principal instrument of slave control. In effect, the Second Amendment supplemented the slavery compromise made at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and obliquely codified in other constitutional provisions." |
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Post by dilligaf on Sept 30, 2022 21:01:33 GMT -5
What are you talking about? What I believe is corralling the colored slaves wasn't the genesis of the 2nd. It wasn't the only or perhaps the first reason for it, but it most certainly was a factor. After all, one of the reasons state militias existed at all in slave states was to put down slave rebellions. So obviously it played a part, though not the only part. Bullshit. "Militias" existed long before "slave" and "non-slave" states.
Who was Crispus Attucks and why do we remember him?
Historians can't agree as to whether he was a free man or an escaped slave, but they ALL agree he was part of the "militia" during the Revolution.
The 2nd Amendment explained (not "gave") ALL free Americans the right to own firearms.
[Sorry but slavery in 1791 was what it was. That is not part of the debate here]
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Post by oujour76 on Sept 30, 2022 21:02:47 GMT -5
Yep. Small picture thinkers only see trees, not the whole forest. Get a clue, Harry. I've always been a big picture guy, and a student of history. In fact, this is a big picture subject-- the relationship between guns and slavery. If you and Daleko take a look at the phraseology of the Second Amendment, it referred to preventing the Federal government from interfering with the rights of state militias to arm themselves. What were these late 18th century armed state militias for in the Southern colonies? Mainly slave patrols. That was true right up to Harper's Ferry and the Civil War. Robert E. Lee suppressed John Brown's slave rebellion with Virginia's well-regulated state militia. Daleko is correct about the role of state/colonial militias in fighting Native Americans along the western frontiers, but by 1789, the Native American hostiles of the 13 colonies had mostly been killed or driven westward. The main security concern in Virginia and the Carolinas was keeping the slave populations under control. They were slave cultures of violence, oppression, and even torture. You’re a cut and and paste guy, not a thinker. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Sept 30, 2022 22:24:59 GMT -5
Get a clue, Harry. I've always been a big picture guy, and a student of history. In fact, this is a big picture subject-- the relationship between guns and slavery. If you and Daleko take a look at the phraseology of the Second Amendment, it referred to preventing the Federal government from interfering with the rights of state militias to arm themselves. What were these late 18th century armed state militias for in the Southern colonies? Mainly slave patrols. That was true right up to Harper's Ferry and the Civil War. Robert E. Lee suppressed John Brown's slave rebellion with Virginia's well-regulated state militia. Daleko is correct about the role of state/colonial militias in fighting Native Americans along the western frontiers, but by 1789, the Native American hostiles of the 13 colonies had mostly been killed or driven westward. The main security concern in Virginia and the Carolinas was keeping the slave populations under control. They were slave cultures of violence, oppression, and even torture. You’re a cut and and paste guy, not a thinker. You're dead wrong again, Harry, as usual. What is cut-and-pasted in my history commentary above? Do tell. Did you forget that I graduated magna cum laude from Brown with a major in American Studies, before attending Harvard Medical School? |
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Post by oujour76 on Sept 30, 2022 23:04:47 GMT -5
You’re a cut and and paste guy, not a thinker. You're dead wrong again, Harry, as usual. What is cut-and-pasted in my history commentary above? Do tell. Did you forget that I graduated magna cum laude from Brown with a major in American Studies, before attending Harvard Medical School? You’re called the Ivy League Idiot for good reason. |
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Post by cbisbig on Oct 1, 2022 10:16:26 GMT -5
You're dead wrong again, Harry, as usual. What is cut-and-pasted in my history commentary above? Do tell. Did you forget that I graduated magna cum laude from Brown with a major in American Studies, before attending Harvard Medical School? You’re called the Ivy League Idiot for good reason. LMAO😂😂😂 |
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