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Post by canefan on Feb 4, 2016 10:31:53 GMT -5
Read a short blurb on Manuel being committed to FSU for a while and one of their assistant coaches telling him to play the game, not to notify UF until he actually signed with FSU. Any news on this? Kind of a crappy practice but I know it goes on.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Feb 4, 2016 10:40:12 GMT -5
Read a short blurb on Manuel being committed to FSU for a while and one of their assistant coaches telling him to play the game, not to notify UF until he actually signed with FSU. Any news on this? Kind of a crappy practice but I know it goes on. Seems to be the case, from what I've read. I think it is a subtle payback for Dante Fowler from a few years ago, when that same thing was alleged to have occurred.
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Read a short blurb on Manuel being committed to FSU for a while and one of their assistant coaches telling him to play the game, not to notify UF until he actually signed with FSU. Any news on this? Kind of a crappy practice but I know it goes on. Seems to be the case, from what I've read. I think it is a subtle payback for Dante Fowler from a few years ago, when that same thing was alleged to have occurred.
This is the second time you mentioned Fowler, but he notified FSU on the Sunday before NSD. FSU at least had time to come up with an adjustment to the class even though Fowler was irreplaceable.
Subtle my ass. This rat f-ing was planned well in advance allowing Manuel to do FSU videos for his recruitment.
This isn't the first time FSU has rat fucked UF on NSD. There was a TE from Pace, Fl. back in the Zooker days that told UF on NSD morning that he was coming only to take off a Gators jacket to reveal he was wearing an FSU jersey. That wasn't the first time it happened under Bowden either.
It looks like Dumbo wants to nasty up relations again the way things were back between Spurrier and Bowden. If he succeeds in doing so, I'd be happy with UF dropping FSU just like we did with Miami. Nobody should feel obligated to play a shitty series that no one enjoys.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Feb 4, 2016 10:56:05 GMT -5
Seems to be the case, from what I've read. I think it is a subtle payback for Dante Fowler from a few years ago, when that same thing was alleged to have occurred.
This is the second time you mentioned Fowler, but he notified FSU on the Sunday before NSD. FSU at least had time to come up with an adjustment to the class even though Fowler was irreplaceable.
This isn't the first time FSU has done this type of rat f-ing on NSD. There was a TE from Pace, Fl. back in the Zooker days that told UF on NSD morning that he was coming only to take off a Gators jacket to reveal he was wearing an FSU jersey. That wasn't the first time it happened under Bowden either.
It looks like Dumbo wants to nasty up relations again the way things were back between Spurrier and Bowden. If he succeeds in doing so, I'd be happy with UF dropping FSU just like we did with Miami. Nobody should feel obligated to play a shitty series that no one enjoys.
LOL...cool your jets, Mary. By the way, if you want to level some criticism, level it at your own coaches, who basically showed their ass by trashing the kid on national television, alleging that his grades weren't good enough to get into UF the moment he switched sides. By the way, link to where Fowler notified FSU the Sunday before NSD? And if you don't like the Fowler example...how about Treon Harris, who was committed to FSU until signing day, when he flipped to UF?
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This is the second time you mentioned Fowler, but he notified FSU on the Sunday before NSD. FSU at least had time to come up with an adjustment to the class even though Fowler was irreplaceable.
This isn't the first time FSU has done this type of rat f-ing on NSD. There was a TE from Pace, Fl. back in the Zooker days that told UF on NSD morning that he was coming only to take off a Gators jacket to reveal he was wearing an FSU jersey. That wasn't the first time it happened under Bowden either.
It looks like Dumbo wants to nasty up relations again the way things were back between Spurrier and Bowden. If he succeeds in doing so, I'd be happy with UF dropping FSU just like we did with Miami. Nobody should feel obligated to play a shitty series that no one enjoys.
LOL...cool your jets, Mary. By the way, if you want to level some criticism, level it at your own coaches, who basically showed their ass by trashing the kid on national television, alleging that his grades weren't good enough to get into UF the moment he switched sides. By the way, link to where Fowler notified FSU the Sunday before NSD? And if you don't like the Fowler example...how about Treon Harris, who was committed to FSU until signing day, when he flipped to UF? The UF coaches didn't go on national tv talking about Manuel's grades. That is a recruiting violation. It was reported privately by someone inside UF and by IMG to SEC Country long before NSD. That kind of stuff leaks out over time. BTW, let me know when Manuel enrolls at FSU. It's bad karma to rat f-word other programs.
I'll do some research on Fowler later, trying to finish the composite top 35. However, that isn't the type of thing easily linked as you know. However, I could probably find the video of that shitass TE that rat fucked UF/Zooker on NSD. WEAR 3 in Pensacola covered his signing day at Pace High. BTW, he never worked out for FSU, bad karma.
Harris wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing the way FSU/Manuel did yesterday. FSU and Manuel planned this screw job far enough in advance to allow Manuel time to do FSU videos of his FSU recruitment. You didn't see anyone with UF get upset with Aaron Robinson flipping to bama yesterday because it wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing. That stuff happens. FSU takes it to an unacceptable nasty level, just like that last TD with 20 seconds left in the game. The FSU shit is beginning to pile up.
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Post by canefan on Feb 4, 2016 11:34:04 GMT -5
FWIW, Harris was one of those kids who was publicly "committed," taking visits and talking about when he would make a final decision. Seems to be more and more of that kind of kids every year. They don't seem to comprehend the meaning of the word "committed." FWIW, this does seem to happen more with FSU than some other schools. I will hedge that a bit and say that I don't follow many others, so maybe it is a common practice elsewhere too and I've just not heard it. In past years when I use to pay close attention to recruiting it seemed there was always a signing day surprise for FSU from a kid committed to Miami, UF or some other big name program. A lot of kids who play recruiting games simply aren't that mature and, in the long run, it seems a lot of them never pan out the way they are expected.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Feb 4, 2016 11:39:47 GMT -5
LOL...cool your jets, Mary. By the way, if you want to level some criticism, level it at your own coaches, who basically showed their ass by trashing the kid on national television, alleging that his grades weren't good enough to get into UF the moment he switched sides. By the way, link to where Fowler notified FSU the Sunday before NSD? And if you don't like the Fowler example...how about Treon Harris, who was committed to FSU until signing day, when he flipped to UF? The UF coaches didn't go on national tv talking about Manuel's grades. That is a recruiting violation. It was reported privately by someone inside UF and by IMG to SEC Country long before NSD. That kind of stuff leaks out over time. BTW, let me know when Manuel enrolls at FSU. It's bad karma to rat f-word other programs.
I'll do some research on Fowler later, trying to finish the composite top 35. However, that isn't the type of thing easily linked as you know. However, I could probably find the video of that shitass TE that rat fucked UF/Zooker on NSD. WEAR 3 in Pensacola covered his signing day at Pace High. BTW, he never worked out for FSU, bad karma.
Harris wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing the way FSU/Manuel did yesterday. FSU and Manuel planned this screw job far enough in advance to allow Manuel time to do FSU videos of his FSU recruitment. You didn't see anyone with UF get upset with Aaron Robinson flipping to bama yesterday because it wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing. That stuff happens. FSU takes it to an unacceptable nasty level, just like that last TD with 20 seconds left in the game. The FSU shit is beginning to pile up.
Jesus, you have your panties in a twist today... But let me address each of these: "The UF coaches didn't go on national tv talking about Manuel's grades. That is a recruiting violation. It was reported privately by someone inside UF and by IMG to SEC Country long before NSD. That kind of stuff leaks out over time. BTW, let me know when Manuel enrolls at FSU. It's bad karma to rat f-word other programs."
A coach, no. However, an ESPN reporter was quoting a UF coach who told her that he had grade concerns that he would not be able to make it into UF. So which is it ET? Why are you so pissed if his grades weren't good enough to get into UF? Or is that just a bullshit smokescreen because you lost a recruit to a hated rival? From your tone here where it appears that you have absolutely lost your mind over this Manuel deal...I'm going to guess the latter. "I'll do some research on Fowler later, trying to finish the composite top 35. However, that isn't the type of thing easily linked as you know. However, I could probably find the video of that shitass TE that rat fucked UF/Zooker on NSD. WEAR 3 in Pensacola covered his signing day at Pace High. BTW, he never worked out for FSU, bad karma."
Take all the time you need. However, a brief Google search didn't turn up anything. And if you cite "GrayGator" for anything regarding an insider source, I'm going to laugh you out of the building. Fowler, according to folks that are likely just as reliable as Gray, indicate fully that as of the night before, Fowler was still committed to the Noles. At the time, his father (who was a member of Warchant) declared that his son was solid to FSU. Then we know how it went down. Now, could all of that have been false? Possibly. But the bottom line is Fowler switched on the day of, and it was a surprise to every mod and insider at FSU. One would think that if Fowler told the coaches 4 days before NSD that he was switching, FSU would be scrambling to get another prospect. But that wasn't the case. However, I'll wait. As for the TE, is there any evidence that he was misleading UF? If not, how is this any different from Treon Harris, other than using a jacket instead of a hat? It isn't. "Harris wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing the way FSU/Manuel did yesterday. FSU and Manuel planned this screw job far enough in advance to allow Manuel time to do FSU videos of his FSU recruitment. You didn't see anyone with UF get upset with Aaron Robinson flipping to bama yesterday because it wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing. That stuff happens. FSU takes it to an unacceptable nasty level, just like that last TD with 20 seconds left in the game. The FSU shit is beginning to pile up."
Dude...you need to settle down, because you're taking this personally. It is recruiting. Personally, I don't care for the antics, but I have no doubt that this is in retaliation for Dante Fowler. Feeding me that Sunday bullshit is just that...bullshit. If he didn't have the grades, you wouldn't be losing your mind. You don't get to have it both ways.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Feb 4, 2016 11:43:28 GMT -5
FWIW, Harris was one of those kids who was publicly "committed," taking visits and talking about when he would make a final decision. Seems to be more and more of that kind of kids every year. They don't seem to comprehend the meaning of the word "committed." FWIW, this does seem to happen more with FSU than some other schools. I will hedge that a bit and say that I don't follow many others, so maybe it is a common practice elsewhere too and I've just not heard it. In past years when I use to pay close attention to recruiting it seemed there was always a signing day surprise for FSU from a kid committed to Miami, UF or some other big name program. A lot of kids who play recruiting games simply aren't that mature and, in the long run, it seems a lot of them never pan out the way they are expected. It happens every year. And with most schools. Hell, this year, FSU had at least 6 kids down the stretch who were "committed", but were making a final decision on NSD. Uhh...what? For the record, FSU lost 2 kids this year on NSD...who were committed to FSU, right up to the point where they signed with other schools. I don't like it either, but this isn't an FSU thing. This is an everywhere thing.
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The UF coaches didn't go on national tv talking about Manuel's grades. That is a recruiting violation. It was reported privately by someone inside UF and by IMG to SEC Country long before NSD. That kind of stuff leaks out over time. BTW, let me know when Manuel enrolls at FSU. It's bad karma to rat f-word other programs.
I'll do some research on Fowler later, trying to finish the composite top 35. However, that isn't the type of thing easily linked as you know. However, I could probably find the video of that shitass TE that rat fucked UF/Zooker on NSD. WEAR 3 in Pensacola covered his signing day at Pace High. BTW, he never worked out for FSU, bad karma.
Harris wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing the way FSU/Manuel did yesterday. FSU and Manuel planned this screw job far enough in advance to allow Manuel time to do FSU videos of his FSU recruitment. You didn't see anyone with UF get upset with Aaron Robinson flipping to bama yesterday because it wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing. That stuff happens. FSU takes it to an unacceptable nasty level, just like that last TD with 20 seconds left in the game. The FSU shit is beginning to pile up.
Jesus, you have your panties in a twist today... But let me address each of these: "The UF coaches didn't go on national tv talking about Manuel's grades. That is a recruiting violation. It was reported privately by someone inside UF and by IMG to SEC Country long before NSD. That kind of stuff leaks out over time. BTW, let me know when Manuel enrolls at FSU. It's bad karma to rat f-word other programs."
A coach, no. However, an ESPN reporter was quoting a UF coach who told her that he had grade concerns that he would not be able to make it into UF. So which is it ET? Why are you so pissed if his grades weren't good enough to get into UF? Or is that just a bullshit smokescreen because you lost a recruit to a hated rival? From your tone here where it appears that you have absolutely lost your mind over this Manuel deal...I'm going to guess the latter. "I'll do some research on Fowler later, trying to finish the composite top 35. However, that isn't the type of thing easily linked as you know. However, I could probably find the video of that shitass TE that rat fucked UF/Zooker on NSD. WEAR 3 in Pensacola covered his signing day at Pace High. BTW, he never worked out for FSU, bad karma."
Take all the time you need. However, a brief Google search didn't turn up anything. And if you cite "GrayGator" for anything regarding an insider source, I'm going to laugh you out of the building. Fowler, according to folks that are likely just as reliable as Gray, indicate fully that as of the night before, Fowler was still committed to the Noles. At the time, his father (who was a member of Warchant) declared that his son was solid to FSU. Then we know how it went down. Now, could all of that have been false? Possibly. But the bottom line is Fowler switched on the day of, and it was a surprise to every mod and insider at FSU. One would think that if Fowler told the coaches 4 days before NSD that he was switching, FSU would be scrambling to get another prospect. But that wasn't the case. However, I'll wait. As for the TE, is there any evidence that he was misleading UF? If not, how is this any different from Treon Harris, other than using a jacket instead of a hat? It isn't. "Harris wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing the way FSU/Manuel did yesterday. FSU and Manuel planned this screw job far enough in advance to allow Manuel time to do FSU videos of his FSU recruitment. You didn't see anyone with UF get upset with Aaron Robinson flipping to bama yesterday because it wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing. That stuff happens. FSU takes it to an unacceptable nasty level, just like that last TD with 20 seconds left in the game. The FSU shit is beginning to pile up."
Dude...you need to settle down, because you're taking this personally. It is recruiting. Personally, I don't care for the antics, but I have no doubt that this is in retaliation for Dante Fowler. Feeding me that Sunday bullshit is just that...bullshit. If he didn't have the grades, you wouldn't be losing your mind. You don't get to have it both ways. I can't find where Fowler notified FSU on the Sunday before NSD. The thing is, he wasn't silently committed to UF while purposely stringing FSU along. UF has never done that kind of crappy recruiting. FSU has on many occasions done it. FSU did it in this case with Manuel. Even you admitted that was the case and you're okay with it because of payback for Fowler. Again, the difference is UF didn't advise Fowler what to do while they continued to recruit him. This from Fowler's signing day:
tampabay.sbnation.com/florida-gators/2012/2/1/2763506/dante-fowler-flips-florida-gators-seminoles-national-signing-day
It's not just recruiting when a program behaves in a dirty manner like FSU does. While it's fine and expected to continue to recruit a player right up until his LOI is signed and faxed, it's not okay to sponsor rat f-ing of another programs class.
Somebody at FSU had best reconsider how they want this series to exist. If the dirty stuff continues, I wouldn't put it past UF to end the series. It's not what UF wants, but I don't think UF will tolerate the dirt like they did in the past to save series that is no longer mutually agreeable and enjoyable.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Feb 4, 2016 16:59:39 GMT -5
I didn't say I was OK with it. I'd prefer if kids and schools didn't do it. I think it leaves schools in the lurch, and I'm against it.
That said, this situation was in retaliation for Fowler. You can deny it all you want, that the situations aren't the same, I don't agree. I doubt the FSU coaches do either.
I'm not going to bother attempting to debate this high road game. Neither of us can be unbiased. I think UF plays it just as dirty as FSU. You trying to justify the Fowler situation 3 years after the fact is merely to justify your outrage over Manuel rings pretty hollow with me.
Lol...and if you think you have received bad press over dropping the Miami series...it would pale in comparison to the hell your university would endure because you take offense over the actions of 17 year old kids, and drop the FSU series.
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Post by nitronole on Feb 4, 2016 18:55:26 GMT -5
Jesus, you have your panties in a twist today... But let me address each of these: "The UF coaches didn't go on national tv talking about Manuel's grades. That is a recruiting violation. It was reported privately by someone inside UF and by IMG to SEC Country long before NSD. That kind of stuff leaks out over time. BTW, let me know when Manuel enrolls at FSU. It's bad karma to rat f-word other programs."
A coach, no. However, an ESPN reporter was quoting a UF coach who told her that he had grade concerns that he would not be able to make it into UF. So which is it ET? Why are you so pissed if his grades weren't good enough to get into UF? Or is that just a bullshit smokescreen because you lost a recruit to a hated rival? From your tone here where it appears that you have absolutely lost your mind over this Manuel deal...I'm going to guess the latter. "I'll do some research on Fowler later, trying to finish the composite top 35. However, that isn't the type of thing easily linked as you know. However, I could probably find the video of that shitass TE that rat fucked UF/Zooker on NSD. WEAR 3 in Pensacola covered his signing day at Pace High. BTW, he never worked out for FSU, bad karma."
Take all the time you need. However, a brief Google search didn't turn up anything. And if you cite "GrayGator" for anything regarding an insider source, I'm going to laugh you out of the building. Fowler, according to folks that are likely just as reliable as Gray, indicate fully that as of the night before, Fowler was still committed to the Noles. At the time, his father (who was a member of Warchant) declared that his son was solid to FSU. Then we know how it went down. Now, could all of that have been false? Possibly. But the bottom line is Fowler switched on the day of, and it was a surprise to every mod and insider at FSU. One would think that if Fowler told the coaches 4 days before NSD that he was switching, FSU would be scrambling to get another prospect. But that wasn't the case. However, I'll wait. As for the TE, is there any evidence that he was misleading UF? If not, how is this any different from Treon Harris, other than using a jacket instead of a hat? It isn't. "Harris wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing the way FSU/Manuel did yesterday. FSU and Manuel planned this screw job far enough in advance to allow Manuel time to do FSU videos of his FSU recruitment. You didn't see anyone with UF get upset with Aaron Robinson flipping to bama yesterday because it wasn't a preplanned rat f-ing. That stuff happens. FSU takes it to an unacceptable nasty level, just like that last TD with 20 seconds left in the game. The FSU shit is beginning to pile up."
Dude...you need to settle down, because you're taking this personally. It is recruiting. Personally, I don't care for the antics, but I have no doubt that this is in retaliation for Dante Fowler. Feeding me that Sunday bullshit is just that...bullshit. If he didn't have the grades, you wouldn't be losing your mind. You don't get to have it both ways. I can't find where Fowler notified FSU on the Sunday before NSD. The thing is, he wasn't silently committed to UF while purposely stringing FSU along. UF has never done that kind of crappy recruiting. FSU has on many occasions done it. FSU did it in this case with Manuel. Even you admitted that was the case and you're okay with it because of payback for Fowler. Again, the difference is UF didn't advise Fowler what to do while they continued to recruit him. This from Fowler's signing day:
tampabay.sbnation.com/florida-gators/2012/2/1/2763506/dante-fowler-flips-florida-gators-seminoles-national-signing-day
It's not just recruiting when a program behaves in a dirty manner like FSU does. While it's fine and expected to continue to recruit a player right up until his LOI is signed and faxed, it's not okay to sponsor rat f-ing of another programs class.
Somebody at FSU had best reconsider how they want this series to exist. If the dirty stuff continues, I wouldn't put it past UF to end the series. It's not what UF wants, but I don't think UF will tolerate the dirt like they did in the past to save series that is no longer mutually agreeable and enjoyable.
FSU 's recruit Matt Elam..... rat fucked FSU.....jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida-gators/2010-04-09/story/recruiting-flip-flop-behind-him-db-elam-quickly
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Post by roxalot on Feb 4, 2016 19:01:07 GMT -5
I didn't say I was OK with it. I'd prefer if kids and schools didn't do it. I think it leaves schools in the lurch, and I'm against it. That said, this situation was in retaliation for Fowler. You can deny it all you want, that the situations aren't the same, I don't agree. I doubt the FSU coaches do either. I'm not going to bother attempting to debate this high road game. Neither of us can be unbiased. I think UF plays it just as dirty as FSU. You trying to justify the Fowler situation 3 years after the fact is merely to justify your outrage over Manuel rings pretty hollow with me. Lol...and if you think you have received bad press over dropping the Miami series...it would pale in comparison to the hell your university would endure because you take offense over the actions of 17 year old kids, and drop the FSU series. I agree...it was bad enough to stop playing Miami every year... no way in heck does Florida end the FSU annual meetings...no way.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Feb 4, 2016 19:06:12 GMT -5
For the record, I don't equate the Elam recruitment with Manuel.
Elam flipped when Meyer left. It was clear at the time that he'd committed to the coach. Coach left, he left. Coach came back, he came back.
I don't blame Elam for switching back. Didn't care for the "sick to my stomach" line...but that's what the rivalry is about.
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I didn't say I was OK with it. I'd prefer if kids and schools didn't do it. I think it leaves schools in the lurch, and I'm against it. That said, this situation was in retaliation for Fowler. You can deny it all you want, that the situations aren't the same, I don't agree. I doubt the FSU coaches do either. I'm not going to bother attempting to debate this high road game. Neither of us can be unbiased. I think UF plays it just as dirty as FSU. You trying to justify the Fowler situation 3 years after the fact is merely to justify your outrage over Manuel rings pretty hollow with me. Lol...and if you think you have received bad press over dropping the Miami series...it would pale in comparison to the hell your university would endure because you take offense over the actions of 17 year old kids, and drop the FSU series. I agree...it was bad enough to stop playing Miami every year... no way in heck does Florida end the FSU annual meetings...no way. Fine, let's trade Miami for FSU and see if the candy canes can do better than this bullshit UF is putting up with from FSU.
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