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Post by AlaCowboy on Oct 24, 2013 13:29:35 GMT -5
I hear Sony Michel is indeed looking around. My feeling is that if losses directly tied to a rash of injuries will sway a player then he wasn't truly committed to begin with. Oddly enough, Georgia had one of its best recruiting classes after that 6-7 season with the bowl bowl loss to UCF.
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Post by mscott59 on Oct 24, 2013 13:33:36 GMT -5
I hear Sony Michel is indeed looking around. My feeling is that if losses directly tied to a rash of injuries will sway a player then he wasn't truly committed to begin with. Oddly enough, Georgia had one of its best recruiting classes after that 6-7 season with the bowl bowl loss to UCF. a good program w/an off year, whether its injuries, coaching change, probation, big gaps left behind by graduation, etc., can usually mean more immediate opportunities for incoming freshmen. that can sway them too. mark scott tosu 81
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Oct 24, 2013 13:54:42 GMT -5
Recruiting can be funny. Sometimes, after a bad season, a coach can use the line, "You're good enough to come in and start for us and help us build back to prominence..." and a 6-7 UGA team can have a good recruiting season.
The problem happens when you have multiple seasons where something doesn't look right. The Gators simply don't look right on offense, and haven't for 3 or 4 seasons now. Whether it is scheme, coaching, or players...I don't know.
Last season, the Gators got extremely lucky with turnovers, and outstanding defense to go 11-1. This season, the football gods have turned the other cheek, and they're staring in the face of a poor season. The issue is that there isn't really noticable improvement on the offensive side. If they were 5-2 with an offense in the 50s or 60s, this discussion wouldn't be taking place. Instead, they're 4-3, coming off a bad loss wherein they really weren't even that competitive, and the offense is at 106. Last year 104. Two years ago 105.
Muschamp is a defensive guy, so the defense recruiting is going to be solid.
Out of 14 recruits, only 3 are offensive players that give you any star potential...and that's Cook, Grier, and Lane. I've mentioned Cook. Lane I've read rumors, but they're just rumors. Grier is solid, I believe.
But what receiver targets do you have outside of Lane? Rudolph? Sorry, I think he's a Nole. I don't see any other legit target out there.
Honestly, Cook is a bit of a luxury because the future is bright at runningback at UF. Adam Lane, Taylor, and Jones are all fantastic.
But unless you get some other guys in there, the blueprint for beating the Gators will remain the same...load the box and dare them to throw because they don't currently have a wideout that scares you too much (Patton is decent but hardly a gamechanger), and no one at quarterback who can deliver the ball consistently.
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Post by canefan on Oct 24, 2013 15:07:06 GMT -5
Darrell, it's been no secret that Dalvin Cook has been taking his visits. Undoubtedly, FSU insiders and TYHNC didn't get the memo. Bottom line, you've expressed interest in this thread about several UF south Florida commitments including Dalvin Cook. You were semi right about the DT from STA. If he commits to Miami, you'll be completely right. The kid is scared to compete for playing time. He's probably better off with the candy canes. No, I have merely committed on it from time to time. The trio that committed together, Lane, Wilson and Lammons, only Lane interests me and I understand that despite him being Barrows cousin, the coaches at Miami are not that high on him. I think they would accept him if he wanted to come because of the family connection to Barrow, but there are some character concerns with him that have come up and he has not been very productive his senior year. Cook there will be rumors about until the signing day. His brother is a Miami basketball player and he and Yearby have commented several times about wanting to play together. Both say the right things, that they are firmly committed to the teams they are currently listed with. Sony says that too, but he is setting up a visit to Miami. There is reason the recruiting services list a player as a soft commit when they are still visiting other programs. Moten was a shock when he committed to UF because he was said to be a Miami lock the last couple of years. He is a dominant type of DT and I doubt seriously the depth chart will make a whole lot of difference to him in making his decision. I hope it does, because we are losing our top three DT's this year, so he would have a great opportunity coming in. Of course, we also have some very good DT's committed for next year, including a couple of very good Juco DT's. Finally, personally, I'd like to see both Sony and Cook switch to Miami. That would allow us to pair Sonny and Yearby with Duke and Dallas and stick Cook at cornerback.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 15:12:46 GMT -5
Recruiting can be funny. Sometimes, after a bad season, a coach can use the line, "You're good enough to come in and start for us and help us build back to prominence..." and a 6-7 UGA team can have a good recruiting season. The problem happens when you have multiple seasons where something doesn't look right. The Gators simply don't look right on offense, and haven't for 3 or 4 seasons now. Whether it is scheme, coaching, or players...I don't know. Last season, the Gators got extremely lucky with turnovers, and outstanding defense to go 11-1. This season, the football gods have turned the other cheek, and they're staring in the face of a poor season. The issue is that there isn't really noticable improvement on the offensive side. If they were 5-2 with an offense in the 50s or 60s, this discussion wouldn't be taking place. Instead, they're 4-3, coming off a bad loss wherein they really weren't even that competitive, and the offense is at 106. Last year 104. Two years ago 105. Muschamp is a defensive guy, so the defense recruiting is going to be solid. Out of 14 recruits, only 3 are offensive players that give you any star potential...and that's Cook, Grier, and Lane. I've mentioned Cook. Lane I've read rumors, but they're just rumors. Grier is solid, I believe. But what receiver targets do you have outside of Lane? Rudolph? Sorry, I think he's a Nole. I don't see any other legit target out there. Honestly, Cook is a bit of a luxury because the future is bright at runningback at UF. Adam Lane, Taylor, and Jones are all fantastic. But unless you get some other guys in there, the blueprint for beating the Gators will remain the same...load the box and dare them to throw because they don't currently have a wideout that scares you too much (Patton is decent but hardly a gamechanger), and no one at quarterback who can deliver the ball consistently. I don't know about football gods looking the other way, but the injury devils have hit UF with fire and brimstone. I can't remember a UF team ever having this many injuries. Seems your crystal ball isn't so good. I heard a ration of this same crapola about the offense last season. Does 37-26 on Ron Zook Field ring a bell with you? That's was against a senior experienced NFL first round QB and a team that had the most picks in the NFL draft. You are cocky as hell considering your nolies have to play in The Swamp with a redshirt freshman QB (of course he's the best since sliced bread). I'm not saying UF is going to win after all of the injuries, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the records get chunked out the window and the underdog home rival ruin another FSU unbeaten season in The Swamp. It's happened before. Cook is far from a luxury. You need 5 RBs on the roster. UF got to 5 prior to losing Matt Jones by having a converted safety play RB who is only good at screen plays and sweeps plus having Lane as a redshirt. Some would argue you need 6 counting 1 in the redshirt bullpen. UF would like 2 RBs in this class just to meet the teams needs. Unless Bo Scarbrough flips, it likely won't happen. UF would start the 14 season -1 at RB. No, Dalvin Cook isn't a luxury and I'm quite sure he recognizes the lack of real depth at RB on UF's roster. Talking about the future, what does it mean that UF only has room to bring in 21 or 22 recruits? I guess in nolie world it means UF is losing a lot of players and won't be competitive with more upper classmen and experience than this season. (chuckle) To read your comments about Will Muschamp coaching for his job discounts the high likelihood that UF will field its best team yet under his watch. While I have concerns about some coaching decisions, I have none about the talent UF will put on the field or that Will Muschamp will work his butt off to get it right. Jimbo Fisher did it. So can Will Muschamp.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 15:20:44 GMT -5
Darrell: "Finally, personally, I'd like to see both Sony and Cook switch to Miami. That would allow us to pair Sonny and Yearby with Duke and Dallas and stick Cook at cornerback."
Smartass. (chuckle)
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Oct 24, 2013 15:46:35 GMT -5
1. The football gods turning the other cheek includes the injury bug. I agree that you guys have caught that bug bad this year, and it shows.
2. What I said last year was true...that you would suck on offense and your defense would be good. I said I didn't think you'd beat FSU without a lot of turnovers. There were 5. You were the better team last year and you won the game, but that doesn't mean my predictions were off. As for our team last year versus this year...tell me not as a Gator fan...based on what you've seen so far this season, would you rather have EJ Manuel, or Jameis Winston?
3. I see Cook as a luxury when you have guys like Lane, Taylor, and Jones on the roster. Those 3 guys are top notch dudes. Take it as a compliment. Whether you have Cook in the fold on next year's team ins't going to make or break you. That was my point.
4. As to the future, please inform me as to how many playmakers you have at wideout. You talk about needing 5 RBs on the roster. Give me 3 wideouts on your squad who are either 1)proven playmakers, or 2)highly rated? I don't really see anyone except for the kid you signed last year, Robinson, I think his name is. Most teams play 1 or 2 RBs on any given play. You need at least 7 or 8 deep at WR. You guys are woefully thin at that position, and we won't talk much about the guy who needs to be able to throw it to them.
As for our loss of draft picks last year, look at our results so far this year? Why is it so impossible to believe that we've stacked enough talent over the years to lose that many draft picks and come back and be successful? We needed one piece to put it all together, and we have it in Winston.
You say that Muschamp is going to field the best team ever at UF. Which year? Next year? Two years? What season do you think is your season? I'm not being sarcastic...it's an honest question. Which season and why? What guys step up and make it happen? I think you'd agree with me that in order to even make that sort of prediction, you need to be inside the top 50 on offense, which you haven't done in several years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 16:55:52 GMT -5
I don't know that Jameis Winston is all that just yet. He's a redshirt freshman capable of making mistakes. I'm not buying he's better at this stage than your QB last season.
WR is the least of my concern right now. UF has two true freshmen, Robinson and Ahmad Fulwood, that will be playmakers and both are listed as 2s on the depth chart. There are a couple more in the freshmen class that Muschamp won't lift the redshirts on. The 12 WR class was ranked #1 by some of the recruiting services. In other words, there some talent developing in the bullpen.
What is of bigger concern is the OL. You can't throw the ball if the QB is taking 11 sacks in two games that are on the OL. One would automatically think talent, but I'm concerned about the coaching. An example is using a Tyler Moore to play RT when he has G, either side, written all over him. He's being played out of position so that's coaching. Chaz Green starting OT went down for the year back in the summer. If we don't have other OTs to play, that's lack of coaching at the recruiting level. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a change at the OL coaching position. The OL is that bad of a wreck (seem to remember you complaining about FSU's OL not long ago).
Most of us thought Brent Pease was hired to bring in the Boise State offense. Instead, he's brought in something different altogether. Boise State is still running the Boise State offense though. (G) If he doesn't get his act together and quickly, he's gone too (seem to remember FSU replacing their OC and DC not that long ago).
Now really, is it only FSU that can make changes and then turn in to their best team in a decade? If so, that's the same rather narrow view you have regarding recruiting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 16:59:36 GMT -5
Oh, I'll take 11-1 in 14 like 12, but win a bowl game or playoff game and be happy, happy, happy. However, I'd never complain with 10-2.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Oct 24, 2013 18:14:40 GMT -5
We didn't turn it around in 1 season. It took 3.
And you might be the only guy in the nation who would still want Manuel over Winston.
Our OC is Fisher. Coley was a recruiter who didn't coach tight ends very well. That shows this year as well.
I think you're overstating my point. I did not say that UF was headed for the shitter. I said the recruiting class is shaky due to performance this season...with Cook as the prime example.
You think Cook sticks...great. Time will tell who is right. But if you don't think that success or failure of a season has an effect on recruiting, then I'm not sure what game you're following...
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Post by canefan on Oct 24, 2013 18:29:42 GMT -5
Darrell: "Finally, personally, I'd like to see both Sony and Cook switch to Miami. That would allow us to pair Sonny and Yearby with Duke and Dallas and stick Cook at cornerback." Smartass. (chuckle) Are you not aware that many think corner is his better position? He is a shutdown corner.So far he has only played it once this year. They put him on Lane when they played and he shut him down too, athough, to be fair, Lane doesn't have that many catches anywhere this year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 8:22:47 GMT -5
Trn: Dalvin Cook is committed to UF until he says otherwise.
Darrell: Dalvin Cook is recruited by UF at RB, not at CB.
Trn: UF isn't on probation. Taking 3 years to make appropriate changes and adjust is ridiculous even for FSU, doesn't speak well of Jimbo Fisher. The problems UF is experiencing are coaching and injury related. Some problems can take an off week to repair. Others will take an offseason to repair. This isn't the 3 year ordeal you hope it will be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 8:36:43 GMT -5
Talking about football gods, UF was provided two omens right at the start of fall practice:
Jeff Driskel missed the first three weeks with an emergency appendectomy. Matt Jones missed all of fall practice with a viral infection, some say meningitis, and didn't play until Miami.
Neither player came close to reaching their potential before being struck down with season ending injuries.
The gods sent us omens that we simply chose to ignore. This season wasn't meant to be a normal season from the beginning for UF.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Oct 25, 2013 8:44:32 GMT -5
Trn: Dalvin Cook is committed to UF until he says otherwise. Darrell: Dalvin Cook is recruited by UF at RB, not at CB. Trn: UF isn't on probation. Taking 3 years to make appropriate changes and adjust is ridiculous even for FSU, doesn't speak well of Jimbo Fisher. The problems UF is experiencing are coaching and injury related. Some problems can take an off week to repair. Others will take an offseason to repair. This isn't the 3 year ordeal you hope it will be. You must've not been paying attention to how our roster looked (especially on defense) in 2009.
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Post by mscott59 on Oct 25, 2013 8:56:02 GMT -5
Talking about football gods, UF was provided two omens right at the start of fall practice: Jeff Driskel missed the first three weeks with an emergency appendectomy. Matt Jones missed all of fall practice with a viral infection, some say meningitis, and didn't play until Miami. Neither player came close to reaching their potential before being struck down with season ending injuries. The gods sent us omens that we simply chose to ignore. This season wasn't meant to be a normal season from the beginning for UF. so it was more like, man down... florida down? mark scott tosu 81
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