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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 13:33:08 GMT -5
6.30.2014
Zach Abolverdi @zachabolverdi
The UF football team worked out this morning at 5 a.m. It was the first time all members of the 2014 roster participated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 14:52:49 GMT -5
Gator Country analysis of OL Depth Chart - don't like seeing two freshmen in the 2 deep:
Written by Nick de la Torre, June 27, 2014
Florida’s offensive line has struggled mightily the past few seasons. Last season, like most of the team, the offensive line was ravaged by injury. Jon Halapio missed two games, D.J. Humphries missed most of the season, Chaz Green missed the entire year and Tyler Moore missed time as well.
More than another position group, the offensive line needs to work as a cohesive unit and it’s difficult to accomplish that when you’re mixing guys up like a dealer shuffling cards in Vegas.
Offensive line coach Tim Davis was relieved of his duties and new offensive line coach Mike Summers brings more than 30 years of coaching experience and a cool, calm, collected attitude to the offensive line.
Can Summers make a difference? Here’s what he has to work with in 2014.
Left tackle: D.J. Humphries (Jr.), Roderick Johnson (R-Fr.)
D.J. Humphries had a down sophomore season. After impressing as a rookie, Humphries battled injuries all last season and was never really himself. He continues to add good weight and size (he’s now listed at 290-pounds) and is looking to have a bounce back season protecting Jeff Driskel’s blindside.
As a junior, this season also holds additional significance for Humphries. With the height and frame of an NFL offensive tackle, Humphries’ performance this season will be closely looked at by NFL scouts and a good season will improve his draft stock.
Roderick Johnson missed most of the spring with an injury but he is a player that is continually brought up and praised by the coaching staff. Johnson can play inside at guard or outside at tackle, however, other than moving Max Garcia over to left tackle in case of an injury, Johnson is the best option to replace Humphries.
Left Guard: Tyler Moore (R-Jr.), Kavaris Harkless (Fr.)
Tyler Moore struggled mightily at right tackle last season, especially against speed rushers. While Moore played tackle at Nebraska, he’s better suited to play inside and the move from right tackle to left guard will serve him and the Gators well. Moore played with a very restrictive brace on his right arm (a precaution following surgery) and didn’t miss any time. He’ll be much better because of the move inside and should play well next to Max Garcia and Humphries.
Kavaris Harkless will likely start the season on the two-deep depth chart but he is a little underweight and will need a year to develop. He’s a player that can make an impact at Florida but I believe it will take a year.
Center: Max Garcia (R-Sr.), Trip Thurman (R-Jr.)
Max Garcia played started at left guard but eventually moved over to left tackle when Humphries went down with an injury. He’ll move to center this year and has already become the vocal leader of the offensive line. Garcia is a very smart football player who will excel in the middle of the offense this season.
Florida’s only other true center on the roster is Cam Dillard but Florida will opt with experience here, in my opinion. Trip Thurman has been in Gainesville for four years and has been a serviceable backup. He can play all three interior positions and he can step in at center in case Garcia goes down with an injury.
Right Guard: Trenton Brown (Sr.), Drew Sarvary (Jr.)
Trenton Brown pushed Chaz Green for the starting right tackle spot this spring. Although Green won that battle, Brown’s performance was too good to keep him out of the starting lineup. A junior college transfer, Brown played sparingly at right tackle last season and looked good. However, like Moore, Brown will benefit from the move inside.
Another junior college transfer, Sarvary will likely serve as a backup for both guard positions this season before he challenges for a starting job in 2015.
Right Tackle: Chaz Green (R-Sr.), David Sharpe (Fr.)
Chaz Green tore his labrum prior to the 2013 season and was forced to the sideline. The injury set Florida’s line back last season and they’re happy to have him back. Green is an instant upgrade at right tackle from last season and he had to earn that starting spot this spring.
David Sharpe is a very talented freshman from Jacksonville. Will Muschamp likes to have freshmen offensive linemen redshirt if possible, but Sharpe could be an option if injuries take their toll on the starting five again this season.
The Rest: Antonio Riles (R-Fr.), Cam Dillard (R-Fr.), Nolan Kelleher (Fr.), Andrew Mike (Fr.), Travaris Dorsey (Fr.),
Antonio Riles made the move from defense to offense this spring. He’ll need a year to acclimate completely to a new position but is a player that will provide depth in the future.
Cam Dillard will likely take another year to develop but he’s a long-term option at center and is still currently the only true center on the roster.
Nolan Kelleher will miss this season after back surgery. He was a likely redshirt even before the injury.
Andrew Mike and Travaris Dorsey are both on redshirt watch this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 15:23:07 GMT -5
The players in the DT position. IMO, these players collective performances will make or break the 2014 Gator defense:
1s:
Darious Cummings 6'1"/297 SR Leon Orr 6'5"/305 SR
According to Trn, neither Cummings nor Orr would make the 2 deep at FSU. However, this will be the third year that Orr has been a major contributor and Cummings was in the 2 deep last season before Dominique Easley was injured.
2s:
Jay-nard Bostwick 6'3"/294 RFR Caleb Brantley 6'2"/295 RFR
Of the two redshirt freshmen, Bostwick was declared ready to play before LSU last season, but the coaches never removed his redshirt. Brantley came in with an injury as a true freshman and was reduced to scout team duty.
3s: Khairi Clark 6'2"/308 FR Thomas Holley 6'3"/312 FR
The true freshmen should redshirt, but both were highly rated coming out of high school. Some think Holley might be ready to play major college football this season, but he came in at 312 when he was previously reported at 295-300. The speculation on Clark was that he needed a year to reshape his body, but he came in at 308 when he was previously reported at 320-325. I'll stick with redshirting for both as Marcus Thomas back in the early 90s was the last DT to come to UF and play as a true freshman.
Hybrid SDE/DT:
Jonathan Bullard 6'3"/270 JR - insiders say he will play 2014 at 285.
Bullard's highest and best use is at SDE. He's an NFL caliber SDE who has been starting as a true freshman. If he's playing inside on anything more than passing downs, that will say the 2s haven't closed the gap with the 1s to the satisfaction of the coaching staff.
If the UF defense can return to the 2012 level of play, UF could have an outstanding defense and a special season. For the defense to do that, some unknowns have to step up at DT and perform at high levels. If Bullard is playing a major role at DT, I will have my doubts.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Jul 2, 2014 15:50:36 GMT -5
I never said Orr wouldn't make the 2 deep. He'd be in the rotation, but wouldn't start.
Cummings left because he couldn't crack the depth chart...he would play in blowouts.
FSU is stacked on the defensive line.
I can't think of too many positions where I would trade a UF starter for our starter. Fowler for sure...and Hargreaves...although FSUs corners are stellar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 16:38:16 GMT -5
I never said Orr wouldn't make the 2 deep. He'd be in the rotation, but wouldn't start. Cummings left because he couldn't crack the depth chart...he would play in blowouts. FSU is stacked on the defensive line. I can't think of too many positions where I would trade a UF starter for our starter. Fowler for sure...and Hargreaves...although FSUs corners are stellar. I stand corrected on your opinion of Orr. He has played some outstanding games starting with the at aTm game 2 years ago. What I read on Cummings when he first came to UF was that FSU wanted him at DT and he wanted to play SDE. At the time, he was supposedly undersized for DT so he developed some hard feelings about being at FSU. What did he do? He went to JUCO and grew into a DT proving the FSU coaching staff right. Last season, he was one of the few defensive players to have a decent year. He played well adjusting to the SEC. He looked good against the noles so he might be more than a garbage time player at FSU. I suspect he'll give UF about what Damien Jacobs gave as a senior starter in 2012 when UF had a pretty good defense.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Jul 2, 2014 16:41:12 GMT -5
I never said Orr wouldn't make the 2 deep. He'd be in the rotation, but wouldn't start. Cummings left because he couldn't crack the depth chart...he would play in blowouts. FSU is stacked on the defensive line. I can't think of too many positions where I would trade a UF starter for our starter. Fowler for sure...and Hargreaves...although FSUs corners are stellar. I stand corrected on your opinion of Orr. He has played some outstanding games starting with the at aTm game 2 years ago. What I read on Cummings when he first came to UF was that FSU wanted him at DT and he wanted to play SDE. At the time, he was supposedly undersized for DT so he developed some hard feelings about being at FSU. What did he do? He went to JUCO and grew into a DT proving the FSU coaching staff right. Last season, he was one of the few defensive players to have a decent year. He played well adjusting to the SEC. He looked good against the noles so he might be more than a garbage time player at FSU. I suspect he'll give UF about what Damien Jacobs gave as a senior starter in 2012 when UF had a pretty good defense. I wish Cummings the best...but I don't think he'd crack the rotation. But if he has improved...then great for him. Still wouldn't trade him for our starters or our 2s.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 16:53:29 GMT -5
I stand corrected on your opinion of Orr. He has played some outstanding games starting with the at aTm game 2 years ago. What I read on Cummings when he first came to UF was that FSU wanted him at DT and he wanted to play SDE. At the time, he was supposedly undersized for DT so he developed some hard feelings about being at FSU. What did he do? He went to JUCO and grew into a DT proving the FSU coaching staff right. Last season, he was one of the few defensive players to have a decent year. He played well adjusting to the SEC. He looked good against the noles so he might be more than a garbage time player at FSU. I suspect he'll give UF about what Damien Jacobs gave as a senior starter in 2012 when UF had a pretty good defense. I wish Cummings the best...but I don't think he'd crack the rotation. But if he has improved...then great for him. Still wouldn't trade him for our starters or our 2s. Who do you project to be the DT 1s and 2s at FSU? I'd be interested in seeing who these supermen are.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Jul 2, 2014 17:45:45 GMT -5
The 1s are Nile Lawrence-Stample...the guy who started opposite Timmy Jernigan last season, and Eddie Goldman.
The 2s are probably Keith Bryant, and one of either Justin Shanks, or Demarcus Christmas.
As I said...I wouldn't take Orr over either NLS or Goldman, but he'd be in the rotation with the 2s. FSU shuffles a lot of linemen in and out. I wouldn't trade Cummings, as a senior, for either of the 2s, who are young studs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 23:04:22 GMT -5
The 1s are Nile Lawrence-Stample...the guy who started opposite Timmy Jernigan last season, and Eddie Goldman. The 2s are probably Keith Bryant, and one of either Justin Shanks, or Demarcus Christmas. As I said...I wouldn't take Orr over either NLS or Goldman, but he'd be in the rotation with the 2s. FSU shuffles a lot of linemen in and out. I wouldn't trade Cummings, as a senior, for either of the 2s, who are young studs. 1. Timmy Jernigan was statistically head, shoulders, and waist better than any of the other FSU DTs. He will be a tremendous loss for FSU with his graduation and move to the NFL. 2. Leon Orr's stats are slightly better and on par with Eddie Goldman's stats and better than Nile Lawrence-Stamples's stats. It looks to me like FSU started 3 DTs last season or either Goldman or Lawrence-Stample played the equivalent of SDE as Jernigan started 14 games, Goldman started 13 games, and Lawrence-Stample started 6 games. This information was found on the official FSU football website in the 2013 season stats. 3. Darious Cummings stats are on par with Nile Lawrence-Stample's stats. Based on 1, 2, and 3: Leon Orr would likely be a 1 at FSU along with Eddie Goldman. Darious Cummings would likely be a 2 at FSU along with Nile Lawrence-Stample. Based on stats: 4. I see FSU's 2s as Justin Shanks and Desmond Hollin. 5. I see FSU's 3s as Keith Bryant and Derrick Mitchell OR Giorgio Newberry - probably all three since FSU rotates so many DTs. After the 1s, FSU looks like five 2s to me. That's 7 DTs before you get to the 2 true freshmen. 6. With such outstanding depth at DT, I don't know how you can have Demarcus Christmas in the 2 deep lineup. FSU's 2 true freshmen highly rated DTs, Christmas and Nnadi, are on par with UF's 2 true freshmen highly rated DTs, Clark and Holley. My guess is all 4 redshirt unless somebody turns out to be a Timmy Jernigan or Marcus Thomas. Where FSU has a huge advantage over UF is with experienced DT depth. UF's 2s are RFR who haven't played a down of college football. It's the reason Muschamp has asked Jonathan Bullard to bulk up and play a significant role at DT even though he's an NFL caliber SDE. Muschamp: Hey Jonathan, will you play DT for the good of the team? How could Bullard say no? If successful, he'd show his versatility to the NFL as I expect him to declare for the NFL draft after the 14 season. With the exception of RFR Keith Bryant, FSU's 2s and 3s have playing time attained on a national championship team under their belts. FSU's overall depth at DT is impressive. Even though I believe FSU will have a hard time replacing a player as dominating as Timmy Jernigan, it's easy to see why FSU is so highly thought of in the preseason - can't say I'm surprised after doing the little research I did over on the FSU football site. FSU ought to win every game 40-0.
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Post by lz2112 on Jul 2, 2014 23:39:57 GMT -5
ET, there are a lot of FSU fans who think another 14-0 run is already in the books. The expectations in Tally are as high as they were in Gainesville in 2009. And this season, it'll be the 09 Gators I measure 14 FSU against. And rooting for the Gators to get at least 7 wins. LZ(Ever the doom crier)2112
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Jul 3, 2014 6:43:15 GMT -5
Long response required and I'm headed to Chattahoochee for a family reunion and long weekend...so everyone enjoy the 4th and I'll try to respond in depth when I return.
I will say this...
1. Jernigan was a beast and won't be easily replaced. 2. There is more to my opinion than stats.
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ET, there are a lot of FSU fans who think another 14-0 run is already in the books. The expectations in Tally are as high as they were in Gainesville in 2009. And this season, it'll be the 09 Gators I measure 14 FSU against. And rooting for the Gators to get at least 7 wins. LZ(Ever the doom crier)2112 Charley Pell said God smiles on teams that have good DTs. FSU is stacked at DT the way Bobby Bowden used to stack the LBs, probably even deeper. It's amazing to see 7 DTs before you get to the two highly rated true freshmen. I wouldn't be surprised to see FSU go 15-0 and repeat. UF is losing 2 seniors and Bullard after the 14 season. UF will end 14 with four eligible DTs on the roster. If I'm Muschamp, I'm bringing in the best JUCO I can get and two more highly rated true freshmen. It would be the third year in a row of bringing in two highly rated DTs. Do that every year and the numbers will work out so you don't have to depend on JUCOs. Bottom line, UF needs 3 DTs in the 15 recruiting class. Most teams would die to have an 8 deep including the true freshmen. FSU now has 9 deep. Again, it's amazing the talent and depth FSU has at DT.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Jul 7, 2014 9:53:18 GMT -5
The 1s are Nile Lawrence-Stample...the guy who started opposite Timmy Jernigan last season, and Eddie Goldman. The 2s are probably Keith Bryant, and one of either Justin Shanks, or Demarcus Christmas. As I said...I wouldn't take Orr over either NLS or Goldman, but he'd be in the rotation with the 2s. FSU shuffles a lot of linemen in and out. I wouldn't trade Cummings, as a senior, for either of the 2s, who are young studs. 1. Timmy Jernigan was statistically head, shoulders, and waist better than any of the other FSU DTs. He will be a tremendous loss for FSU with his graduation and move to the NFL. 2. Leon Orr's stats are slightly better and on par with Eddie Goldman's stats and better than Nile Lawrence-Stamples's stats. It looks to me like FSU started 3 DTs last season or either Goldman or Lawrence-Stample played the equivalent of SDE as Jernigan started 14 games, Goldman started 13 games, and Lawrence-Stample started 6 games. This information was found on the official FSU football website in the 2013 season stats. 3. Darious Cummings stats are on par with Nile Lawrence-Stample's stats. Based on 1, 2, and 3: Leon Orr would likely be a 1 at FSU along with Eddie Goldman. Darious Cummings would likely be a 2 at FSU along with Nile Lawrence-Stample. Based on stats: 4. I see FSU's 2s as Justin Shanks and Desmond Hollin. 5. I see FSU's 3s as Keith Bryant and Derrick Mitchell OR Giorgio Newberry - probably all three since FSU rotates so many DTs. After the 1s, FSU looks like five 2s to me. That's 7 DTs before you get to the 2 true freshmen. 6. With such outstanding depth at DT, I don't know how you can have Demarcus Christmas in the 2 deep lineup. FSU's 2 true freshmen highly rated DTs, Christmas and Nnadi, are on par with UF's 2 true freshmen highly rated DTs, Clark and Holley. My guess is all 4 redshirt unless somebody turns out to be a Timmy Jernigan or Marcus Thomas. Where FSU has a huge advantage over UF is with experienced DT depth. UF's 2s are RFR who haven't played a down of college football. It's the reason Muschamp has asked Jonathan Bullard to bulk up and play a significant role at DT even though he's an NFL caliber SDE. Muschamp: Hey Jonathan, will you play DT for the good of the team? How could Bullard say no? If successful, he'd show his versatility to the NFL as I expect him to declare for the NFL draft after the 14 season. With the exception of RFR Keith Bryant, FSU's 2s and 3s have playing time attained on a national championship team under their belts. FSU's overall depth at DT is impressive. Even though I believe FSU will have a hard time replacing a player as dominating as Timmy Jernigan, it's easy to see why FSU is so highly thought of in the preseason - can't say I'm surprised after doing the little research I did over on the FSU football site. FSU ought to win every game 40-0. Now that I'm back, and I'm a man of my word, I'll address this. First, you are 100% correct that Jernigan was/is a beast, and his absence from the line will be missed. However, you really can't do it the way it is set up. You say that Orr's stats are on slightly better/on par with Goldman and better than Lawrence-Stample. The issue I have with that statement isn't in the numbers, it is beyond the numbers. Orr is a redshirt senior, and has seen substantial playing time since 2011. Last year, he had 21 tackles and 2.5 sacks. Goldman started last year as a true sophmore (junior this year), and had 19 tackles and 2 sacks. Lawrence-Stample had 15 tackles as a redshirt sophmore. I just feel like you know what you've got with Orr. He isn't a bad player, but he's got 33 games worth of time under his belt, which is significantly more than both NLS and Goldman, and his stats are marginally better at best. Both NLS and Goldman are bigger than Orr and have higher upside. They would be my 1s. You disagree and that's cool. I don't see a monster difference between Orr and NLS or Goldman...but I'll take them over Orr at the starting spots. I completely disagree with you about Cummings. He isn't particularly big. He isn't particularly athletic. He's smaller than every other DT on FSU's roster. Hollin is a DE. I actually don't think Shanks will be in the 2 deep come fall camp. I think he'll be in the rotation...but he'll be with the 3s. As for beyond that. Newberry has switched position 3 times in his career...starting at DE, then moving to TE last year, now to DT. I hope he finds a home. He isn't fast enough for DE, and while a servicable TE, FSU is very good at TE now to the point where he wouldn't see the field. I really hope at DT he finds a home because I watched him play some in high school and was excited when he signed with FSU. Mitchell has unfortunately had a string of injuries that has kept him from seeing the field. A lot of folks think he'd do better as an OT, ala Cam Erving. Which brings me to Christmas. This guy is a flat out stud, which is why I think he and Bryant end up at the 2s. I think Nnadi shirts. You are right that FSU has guys lined up at DT....which is part of the reason why I think we will cruise to the playoffs. Teams will have a devil of a time running on us, and our secondary is proooooobably the best in the nation. So long as we don't have an off game (which we probably will), we should win easily through the regular season. Louisville on a Thursday night makes me a little nervous....but we are absolutely loaded this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 15:31:48 GMT -5
I think UF should forfeit rather than show up for the beating.
Bottom line, I'm pissed off. How is it FSU got so loaded at DT when UF is struggling to fill out a depth chart at the position, 2 experienced DTs plus a hybrid SDE/DT? Nobody else that can be a difference maker has a single down of college football experience.
UF should never be at this large of a disadvantage? Will Muschamp is supposed to be a defensive guru. I'm not so sure. I hate knowing what I know about the team before it ever lines up for practice. It might be more blissful to be ignorant of the deficiencies.
My 9-3 prediction isn't looking so good, but the deed is done. I'll take my lumps gracefully when the time comes.
It's Great To Be A 4 & 8er!
If UF is 7-5 or 8-4 and out of the SEC East race before going to Jax, Will Muschamp can kiss his job goodbye.
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Jul 8, 2014 9:00:07 GMT -5
I think UF should forfeit rather than show up for the beating. Bottom line, I'm pissed off. How is it FSU got so loaded at DT when UF is struggling to fill out a depth chart at the position, 2 experienced DTs plus a hybrid SDE/DT? Nobody else that can be a difference maker has a single down of college football experience. UF should never be at this large of a disadvantage? Will Muschamp is supposed to be a defensive guru. I'm not so sure. I hate knowing what I know about the team before it ever lines up for practice. It might be more blissful to be ignorant of the deficiencies. My 9-3 prediction isn't looking so good, but the deed is done. I'll take my lumps gracefully when the time comes. It's Great To Be A 4 & 8er! If UF is 7-5 or 8-4 and out of the SEC East race before going to Jax, Will Muschamp can kiss his job goodbye. Now now...reverse psychology doesn't work here. LOL FSU has, for the most part for the last 20 years, had very solid players at DT and DE. Odell Haggins is a special coach for us in that he has the ability to coach them up to where he can get them to the NFL, he's a great recruiter as he is routinely referred to as a father figure for his players, and he played at FSU, so he has no aspirations of coaching anywhere else...nor does he seem to have aspirations beyond being the best defensive line coach he can be. I think the issue for UF came in that 2011 class where you didn't sign a single true DT, and only signed two on the defensive line in total. That was the class that followed that epic haul of Floyd, Easley, Orr, Powell, Trail, and Neiron Ball in 2010. 3 five star players, and 3 high four star players. Kids clearly knew they weren't going to get early playing time (which is a huge deal these days), so the 2011 class was thin. Granted, that is still a blunder by UF's coaching staff because it shouldn't have been beyond the realm of possibility that one or more of those guys would leave early, or be hurt. Unfortunately, you had a strange combination of both as Floyd left early, and Easley and Powell both had season ending surgeries...in fact, I think Easley had 2, right? Ball has never gotten big enough to help on the inside, he's out at that hybrid position, and Trail has left the program. Still, it seems odd that the staff wouldn't bring in a kid or two who could spend two years in the weight room as a project. Doesn't have to be a superstar, but can give you some good snaps. That's what I saw in Damian Jacobs. He wasn't going to blow you away with talent or speed...but he was dependable in the middle. Move on to 2012, and you got Fowler and Bullard, who are both very very good, and then a bunch of guys the type you should have had in 2011. If you had Jafar Mann and Quinteze Williams spending 2012 season in the weight room...they'd be ready to give some good snaps in 2013, and then have both experience and good weight. And now in 2014, your 1s are Bullard, Fowler, and Orr, and your 2s are guys like Mann and Williams, who are now 2 years in with some snaps last year. By the way, I know that Mann and Williams weren't available in 2011...but there are a bunch of Jafar Manns and Quintezes every year who are big athletic guys who need coaching and strength. Or, your 3s are Bostwick and Brantley, unless they can win a spot at the 2s. It is amazing how when one class comes up a bit short at one position, how it can snowball to a major problem 2 years down the line. Jimbo has a good combination of luck and eye for talent to be able to see problems before they arise. You talk about how FSU looks pretty solid at DT. If you ask most FSU fans who know enough to care, they'd tell you that our 3 "weaknesses" are WR, punter, and....DT.
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