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Post by beuycek on Sept 19, 2021 9:01:45 GMT -5
8. stroud started poorly (2-6 in the 1st qtr I think), got a little more accurate in the middle of the game before struggling more at the end. imho he's still taking an extra beat or two to make his progressions. that'll come with time. but 2 turnovers cannot continue. Stroud reportedly is dealing with a shoulder injury. Maybe I missed that before but that's a pretty big deal when you have a stable of highly recruited QBs waiting in the wings. Against a team like Tulsa, wouldn't it have been a good idea to rest him and see what McCord can do? That was curious enough but to hear his comments afterwards that he is "only 19" makes me wonder if he has the mental makeup to be 'the guy'. Not knocking him as a person as I am certain I could not have handled the pressure he is under at that age but he came to Ohio State knowing full well if he didn't perform, questions would be asked. That comment seems a little like an excuse to me.
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 19, 2021 9:52:37 GMT -5
another nugget re '71 home opener; the capacity for ohio stadium at that time was around 86,000 I believe, so 76k then meant 88% of the stadium was still filled up. with capacity now just a fraction under 105k, that means only around 73% of the available seats had fannies in them. reasons? imho... 1. tulsa is not a name opponent. 2. the view in high def on your 65 inch tv at home is a better view than 75% of the stadium seats, and 100% of those that didn't get sold for today. if you only care about the action on the field and not the entire cfb experience... 3. ... even at the cheap (compared to other higher priced home games) cost of $65/ticket, it's not worth it. 4. season tix sales took a pretty significant drop for '21 vs 2 years ago. 5. the covid pandemic has to be a factor 6. I wonder if the continuing normalization of a more professional atmosphere within cfb today may be turning a % of folks off, especially to non high profile home games. 7. it was damn hot there today (hit 90 during the game). I'm wondering if next week's game, which is now a 7:30 start vs akron, will have similar, or maybe even lower numbers. Adam Griffin chimes in... 🤦 I don't disagree. this issue has hit every major cfb program. most of them have been fighting it for years, and tosu has been able to avoid it, but no longer. there are multiple factors, including that years ago in order to see the bucks (except for 2 or 3 games aired on live tv each year) you had to be at the stadium (or wait til wosu-tv did a rebroadcast late on saturday nights). when the 'specialness' is diminished, the cost exponentially higher for tix, parking, concessions ($8 for a coke? and only 1/2 the stands open) while the schools/leagues make millions off media rights (with 3:00 commercial time outs for fox games turning them into 4 hour long events) and all the games you can see from your couch, you're going to lose at least a % of the fanbase unless something is done. tosu has blaring rock music on the speakers, increased internet capacity for cell phones, yesterday's game included fan giveaways for the buckeye cure for cancer cruise and tix to osu's bowl game this year. I know I'm creeping into old man syndrome here, but I hate the fact that ohio stadium/every cfb stadium is now leaning more toward a world wrestling federation extravaganza. there are changes coming in '22, where there will now be a sliding $$ scale for buckeye club members (the more you donate, the better section you sit in) as opposed to the current plan which requires a minimum amount annually to purchase any tix inside the stadium (this year osu offered mini-packs for tix to 3 games). long ago tv took over orchestrating coverage of cfb instead of observing the spectacle. I don't see that changing, so if you want a passionate fan base in attendance here in the 21st century, I guess you're going to have to pay the fans too. lol btw, beginning with the '12 season, thru this weekend, tosu is 108-12. 12-5 in post season (6-1 in ccg's, 3-1 in bowls, 3-2 in playoffs) w/a national title and a runner up, plus 6 big 10 crowns. only 1 program has a better record in that span (alabama is 115-11) and only 2 have been better in the post season (tide, clemson). on the whole our fan base has been spoiled rotten. most are appreciative, imho, of the incredible success the program has achieved in the 21st century but way too many seem to forget that legacy anytime they don't see perfection, and expect 18-20 year old kids to be more robots and less young still maturing men. sigh.
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 19, 2021 9:58:25 GMT -5
8. stroud started poorly (2-6 in the 1st qtr I think), got a little more accurate in the middle of the game before struggling more at the end. imho he's still taking an extra beat or two to make his progressions. that'll come with time. but 2 turnovers cannot continue. Stroud reportedly is dealing with a shoulder injury. Maybe I missed that before but that's a pretty big deal when you have a stable of highly recruited QBs waiting in the wings. Against a team like Tulsa, wouldn't it have been a good idea to rest him and see what McCord can do? That was curious enough but to hear his comments afterwards that he is "only 19" makes me wonder if he has the mental makeup to be 'the guy'. Not knocking him as a person as I am certain I could not have handled the pressure he is under at that age but he came to Ohio State knowing full well if he didn't perform, questions would be asked. That comment seems a little like an excuse to me. yeah I wish he hadn't put it that way. let's hope that akron provides an opportunity for mccord and miller to get maybe a quarter each of playing time. not seeing how practice goes, but seeing the track record day has had working w/haskins and then fields, I'll defer to his judgement. lol. that said, stroud is still missing high. I've never been in that position either, but I know w/my 2 rotator cuffs injuries neither involved still having the ability to put too much mustard on arm motions, so I do wonder about the nature of his shoulder.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Sept 19, 2021 10:16:50 GMT -5
Stroud reportedly is dealing with a shoulder injury. Maybe I missed that before but that's a pretty big deal when you have a stable of highly recruited QBs waiting in the wings. Against a team like Tulsa, wouldn't it have been a good idea to rest him and see what McCord can do? That was curious enough but to hear his comments afterwards that he is "only 19" makes me wonder if he has the mental makeup to be 'the guy'. Not knocking him as a person as I am certain I could not have handled the pressure he is under at that age but he came to Ohio State knowing full well if he didn't perform, questions would be asked. That comment seems a little like an excuse to me. yeah I wish he hadn't put it that way. let's hope that akron provides an opportunity for mccord and miller to get maybe a quarter each of playing time. not seeing how practice goes, but seeing the track record day has had working w/haskins and then fields, I'll defer to his judgement. lol. that said, stroud is still missing high. I've never been in that position either, but I know w/my 2 rotator cuffs injuries neither involved still having the ability to put too much mustard on arm motions, so I do wonder about the nature of his shoulder. I can't speak TOO much about QB mechanics, but I know in baseball, when a pitcher starts throwing high, the first thing you do as a coach is check his follow-thru...of course FB is different, but somewhere in his mechanics, I think he needs some sort of correction.
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Post by beuycek on Sept 19, 2021 11:13:32 GMT -5
Adam Griffin chimes in... 🤦 I don't disagree. this issue has hit every major cfb program. most of them have been fighting it for years, and tosu has been able to avoid it, but no longer. there are multiple factors, including that years ago in order to see the bucks (except for 2 or 3 games aired on live tv each year) you had to be at the stadium (or wait til wosu-tv did a rebroadcast late on saturday nights). when the 'specialness' is diminished, the cost exponentially higher for tix, parking, concessions ($8 for a coke? and only 1/2 the stands open) while the schools/leagues make millions off media rights (with 3:00 commercial time outs for fox games turning them into 4 hour long events) and all the games you can see from your couch, you're going to lose at least a % of the fanbase unless something is done. tosu has blaring rock music on the speakers, increased internet capacity for cell phones, yesterday's game included fan giveaways for the buckeye cure for cancer cruise and tix to osu's bowl game this year. I know I'm creeping into old man syndrome here, but I hate the fact that ohio stadium/every cfb stadium is now leaning more toward a world wrestling federation extravaganza. there are changes coming in '22, where there will now be a sliding $$ scale for buckeye club members (the more you donate, the better section you sit in) as opposed to the current plan which requires a minimum amount annually to purchase any tix inside the stadium (this year osu offered mini-packs for tix to 3 games). long ago tv took over orchestrating coverage of cfb instead of observing the spectacle. I don't see that changing, so if you want a passionate fan base in attendance here in the 21st century, I guess you're going to have to pay the fans too. lol btw, beginning with the '12 season, thru this weekend, tosu is 108-12. 12-5 in post season (6-1 in ccg's, 3-1 in bowls, 3-2 in playoffs) w/a national title and a runner up, plus 6 big 10 crowns. only 1 program has a better record in that span (alabama is 115-11) and only 2 have been better in the post season (tide, clemson). on the whole our fan base has been spoiled rotten. most are appreciative, imho, of the incredible success the program has achieved in the 21st century but way too many seem to forget that legacy anytime they don't see perfection, and expect 18-20 year old kids to be more robots and less young still maturing men. sigh. Mark, as usual, you provide great perspective. The reasons for the diminishing attendance are numerous and to an extent, valid but I can't get behind Griffin's comments. Because fans don't buy overpriced tickets to an event that no longer caters to the real fans of the game/team, fans aren't allowed to question the coaching? That's tough. On the flip side, I suspect Griffin isn't necessarily speaking to those of us who appreciate the success you noted but it is still a comment he probably should've kept to himself because those that don't appreciate the success are going to crucify him for it.
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 19, 2021 12:08:19 GMT -5
I don't disagree. this issue has hit every major cfb program. most of them have been fighting it for years, and tosu has been able to avoid it, but no longer. there are multiple factors, including that years ago in order to see the bucks (except for 2 or 3 games aired on live tv each year) you had to be at the stadium (or wait til wosu-tv did a rebroadcast late on saturday nights). when the 'specialness' is diminished, the cost exponentially higher for tix, parking, concessions ($8 for a coke? and only 1/2 the stands open) while the schools/leagues make millions off media rights (with 3:00 commercial time outs for fox games turning them into 4 hour long events) and all the games you can see from your couch, you're going to lose at least a % of the fanbase unless something is done. tosu has blaring rock music on the speakers, increased internet capacity for cell phones, yesterday's game included fan giveaways for the buckeye cure for cancer cruise and tix to osu's bowl game this year. I know I'm creeping into old man syndrome here, but I hate the fact that ohio stadium/every cfb stadium is now leaning more toward a world wrestling federation extravaganza. there are changes coming in '22, where there will now be a sliding $$ scale for buckeye club members (the more you donate, the better section you sit in) as opposed to the current plan which requires a minimum amount annually to purchase any tix inside the stadium (this year osu offered mini-packs for tix to 3 games). long ago tv took over orchestrating coverage of cfb instead of observing the spectacle. I don't see that changing, so if you want a passionate fan base in attendance here in the 21st century, I guess you're going to have to pay the fans too. lol btw, beginning with the '12 season, thru this weekend, tosu is 108-12. 12-5 in post season (6-1 in ccg's, 3-1 in bowls, 3-2 in playoffs) w/a national title and a runner up, plus 6 big 10 crowns. only 1 program has a better record in that span (alabama is 115-11) and only 2 have been better in the post season (tide, clemson). on the whole our fan base has been spoiled rotten. most are appreciative, imho, of the incredible success the program has achieved in the 21st century but way too many seem to forget that legacy anytime they don't see perfection, and expect 18-20 year old kids to be more robots and less young still maturing men. sigh. Mark, as usual, you provide great perspective. The reasons for the diminishing attendance are numerous and to an extent, valid but I can't get behind Griffin's comments. Because fans don't buy overpriced tickets to an event that no longer caters to the real fans of the game/team, fans aren't allowed to question the coaching? That's tough. On the flip side, I suspect Griffin isn't necessarily speaking to those of us who appreciate the success you noted but it is still a comment he probably should've kept to himself because those that don't appreciate the success are going to crucify him for it. of course we're allowed to question coaches. it's a cottage industry in ohio. another cottage industry is tweeting out comments at the spur of the moment w/o taking a breath before hitting send. ex-players, including those whose dad is a literal legend, included. fwiw I thought the crowd that was there was vocal and encouraging to the players, though many certainly booed coaching decisions a couple times (like not trying a long pass at the end of the first half). still, as a player, especially a young one, you want everyone in the stadium to be on board and behind you..., that I understand.
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Post by CWGBuckeyes on Sept 19, 2021 19:49:33 GMT -5
another nugget re '71 home opener; the capacity for ohio stadium at that time was around 86,000 I believe, so 76k then meant 88% of the stadium was still filled up. with capacity now just a fraction under 105k, that means only around 73% of the available seats had fannies in them. reasons? imho... 1. tulsa is not a name opponent. 2. the view in high def on your 65 inch tv at home is a better view than 75% of the stadium seats, and 100% of those that didn't get sold for today. if you only care about the action on the field and not the entire cfb experience... 3. ... even at the cheap (compared to other higher priced home games) cost of $65/ticket, it's not worth it. 4. season tix sales took a pretty significant drop for '21 vs 2 years ago. 5. the covid pandemic has to be a factor 6. I wonder if the continuing normalization of a more professional atmosphere within cfb today may be turning a % of folks off, especially to non high profile home games. 7. it was damn hot there today (hit 90 during the game). I'm wondering if next week's game, which is now a 7:30 start vs akron, will have similar, or maybe even lower numbers. Adam Griffin chimes in... 🤦 That's a very shitty take by Griffin IMO When Bam use to sell me his tickets to the shit games he didn't want to go to, I was paying $120-$150 for 2 tickets. Did I watch Bowling Green? Marshall? Indiana? Sure but I loved the atmosphere Now those same games 2 tickets will run you $300+ Want a hot dog, Nachos, and a drink? That'll be another $40. A program? $15 or more Oh and now you'll get to watch a very lackluster performance and a God awful defense Wonder why no one will show up
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 20, 2021 10:12:31 GMT -5
Adam Griffin chimes in... 🤦 That's a very shitty take by Griffin IMO When Bam use to sell me his tickets to the shit games he didn't want to go to, I was paying $120-$150 for 2 tickets. Did I watch Bowling Green? Marshall? Indiana? Sure but I loved the atmosphere Now those same games 2 tickets will run you $300+ Want a hot dog, Nachos, and a drink? That'll be another $40. A program? $15 or more Oh and now you'll get to watch a very lackluster performance and a God awful defense Wonder why no one will show up mike, the tulsa tix were $65 each. so it's not $300+ for a non-premier ooc game. your dog, nachos (you eat those together? lol) and drink isn't $40. more like $25 (though sodas are now $8 in these huge 1 liter cups. ok maybe not 1 liter, but they are refillable at no extra cost. waters are $4). I don't buy game day programs anymore but I think they're $10. still a too expensive day, but about half of the cost you posted. and again, just for perspective, 76,540 of us did show up. gene smith said nearly 20k additional tikckets were purchased for the game but the fans didn't show up for whatever reason. for comparisons for programs with large stadiums who played non-power 5 opponents saturday... texas a&m had 84.7k show up for a game vs new mexico (103k stadium capacity), um had 106.2k (capacity 107.6k) vs no illinois, iowa had 61.9k (capacity 69.2k) vs kent st, arkansas had 66.3k (capacity 80k) vs georgia southern, tennessee had 80k (capacity 102.5k) vs tennessee tech, washington had 58.7k (capacity 70.1k) vs arkansas st, lsu had 92.5k (capacity 102.3k) for it's game vs central michigan. texas (capacity 100k) didn't list its attendance for the game w/rice.
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Post by CWGBuckeyes on Sept 20, 2021 11:20:40 GMT -5
That's a very shitty take by Griffin IMO When Bam use to sell me his tickets to the shit games he didn't want to go to, I was paying $120-$150 for 2 tickets. Did I watch Bowling Green? Marshall? Indiana? Sure but I loved the atmosphere Now those same games 2 tickets will run you $300+ Want a hot dog, Nachos, and a drink? That'll be another $40. A program? $15 or more Oh and now you'll get to watch a very lackluster performance and a God awful defense Wonder why no one will show up mike, the tulsa tix were $65 each. so it's not $300+ for a non-premier ooc game. your dog, nachos (you eat those together? lol) and drink isn't $40. more like $25 (though sodas are now $8 in these huge 1 liter cups. ok maybe not 1 liter, but they are refillable at no extra cost. waters are $4). I don't buy game day programs anymore but I think they're $10. still a too expensive day, but about half of the cost you posted. and again, just for perspective, 76,540 of us did show up. gene smith said nearly 20k additional tikckets were purchased for the game but the fans didn't show up for whatever reason. for comparisons for programs with large stadiums who played non-power 5 opponents saturday... texas a&m had 84.7k show up for a game vs new mexico (103k stadium capacity), um had 106.2k (capacity 107.6k) vs no illinois, iowa had 61.9k (capacity 69.2k) vs kent st, arkansas had 66.3k (capacity 80k) vs georgia southern, tennessee had 80k (capacity 102.5k) vs tennessee tech, washington had 58.7k (capacity 70.1k) vs arkansas st, lsu had 92.5k (capacity 102.3k) for it's game vs central michigan. texas (capacity 100k) didn't list its attendance for the game w/rice. Yes tickets prices went down afte the Oregon game but its been a trend over the past couple of years. I actually looked into getting tickets for the Akron game before the Oregon loss on ebay and ticket apps. And most were asking for $200+ for 2 tickets A very rich well off person complaining that others don't have a say cause they aren't willing to shell out a lot of money comes off very bad IMO Griffins comment on Twitter was destroyed by a great many of fans
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 21, 2021 13:52:46 GMT -5
mike, the tulsa tix were $65 each. so it's not $300+ for a non-premier ooc game. your dog, nachos (you eat those together? lol) and drink isn't $40. more like $25 (though sodas are now $8 in these huge 1 liter cups. ok maybe not 1 liter, but they are refillable at no extra cost. waters are $4). I don't buy game day programs anymore but I think they're $10. still a too expensive day, but about half of the cost you posted. and again, just for perspective, 76,540 of us did show up. gene smith said nearly 20k additional tikckets were purchased for the game but the fans didn't show up for whatever reason. for comparisons for programs with large stadiums who played non-power 5 opponents saturday... texas a&m had 84.7k show up for a game vs new mexico (103k stadium capacity), um had 106.2k (capacity 107.6k) vs no illinois, iowa had 61.9k (capacity 69.2k) vs kent st, arkansas had 66.3k (capacity 80k) vs georgia southern, tennessee had 80k (capacity 102.5k) vs tennessee tech, washington had 58.7k (capacity 70.1k) vs arkansas st, lsu had 92.5k (capacity 102.3k) for it's game vs central michigan. texas (capacity 100k) didn't list its attendance for the game w/rice. Yes tickets prices went down afte the Oregon game but its been a trend over the past couple of years. I actually looked into getting tickets for the Akron game before the Oregon loss on ebay and ticket apps. And most were asking for $200+ for 2 tickets A very rich well off person complaining that others don't have a say cause they aren't willing to shell out a lot of money comes off very bad IMO Griffins comment on Twitter was destroyed by a great many of fans the tix prices I'm quoting are the list prices, which I paid and the public can still purchase in a couple different packages, not the secondary internet broker market. as for griffin, I wouldn't call him 'very rich well off' but in his role w/fidelity (I think that's where he works) he's certainly making a living. like I said to mike earlier, I don't disagree w/what he said from his perspective, but posting it for public consumption was not smart. as for fans on social media, I've also been seeing tons of comments such as 'I wouldn't pay $$ to see this product in person'. I know I'm still a polyana thinking this way in the 21st century, but I don't see these kids as products, even though I still pay too much to attend games, support the university and the athletic program; I love seeing these kids, these human beings w/their talent and human skill maturing personas, compete on one of the sport's biggest and most historic stages. I don't see them as products or robots; even w/n-i-l and all the perks cfb has these days, they are still college students playing football on a high level. they're learning just like students taking nursing, or chemistry, or accounting, or sociology, etc. but their classrooms are being viewed by tens of thousands in person and millions more via tv coverage. when their results are a 'b' or a 'c' grade, whether it results in a loss or simply not covering spread, they get vilified and it's multiplied exponentially by the amplifiers. proof that progress in technology doesn't always = actual progress.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Sept 22, 2021 8:49:19 GMT -5
Hmmm...I just read that Stroud has a possible 'frayed' rotator cuff...Having had that surgery, this in NOT a 'minor league ouchie.' OTOH, I had not heard this until a rumor mill kind of thing this morning. Did I miss an announcement?
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Post by Mickey34jb on Sept 22, 2021 9:45:58 GMT -5
Hmmm...I just read that Stroud has a possible 'frayed' rotator cuff...Having had that surgery, this in NOT a 'minor league ouchie.' OTOH, I had not heard this until a rumor mill kind of thing this morning. Did I miss an announcement? From what I've read is that CJ is starting on Saturday__but will he be finishing is the question
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 22, 2021 12:02:03 GMT -5
Hmmm...I just read that Stroud has a possible 'frayed' rotator cuff...Having had that surgery, this in NOT a 'minor league ouchie.' OTOH, I had not heard this until a rumor mill kind of thing this morning. Did I miss an announcement? From what I've read is that CJ is starting on Saturday__but will he be finishing is the question
1. there's been no official or unofficial word on whatever might be ailing cj's shoulder. 2. as someone who's dealt with rotator cuff issues twice (the last time 4 years ago), I find it hard to believe that stroud would be constantly missing receivers high/overthrows if he had that kind of injury. I'm not an m.d. by any stretch (though I think I have paid the way for at least one overseas vacation for my orthopedic... lol) any kind of tear would take away a lot of shoulder torque, and his passes have had plenty of zip. 3. I certainly hope he doesn't finish the game. my hope is that he plays the first half, the bucks build up a nice lead, and then the backups get some significant game time reps, the kind no one was able to get in '20.
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Post by mscott59 on Sept 22, 2021 13:09:07 GMT -5
there are reports this am that lb dallas gant is entering the transfer portal. coming into the season he looked like he'd be one of the starters before injuring his foot. since then a ton of young players (simon, eichenberg, young, kourt williams) have been getting pt and now that gaoteote's transfer is approved you have to think he'll be seeing the field too.
btw, looking on the depth chart can sure point to a lot of the issues we've seen on the defensive side of the ball so far. of the 32 players listed on tosu's 3-deep (not all positions have 3 players listed), 19 are redshirt sophs, true sophs, redshirt freshmen or true frosh. that is a ton of youth. you hope that as the season continues, the additional experience will help them reach their talent levels.
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Post by Mickey34jb on Sept 22, 2021 13:17:20 GMT -5
What I want to see is the defense give up less than 200 yds total come Saturday
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