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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 8:27:02 GMT -5
fwiw if Alabama beats penn state by 35, then they beat Ohio state by 31. Ohio state may be better than penn state, but if they are, it's only slightly. Your offense sucks. This debate between Ohio state and pen state is silly bc Ohio state isn't some great team this year. They could have easily lost against Michigan state and northwestern and Michigan. The most annoying thing in cfb is the sec circle jerk...the second most annoying thing is the Michigan/Ohio state circle jerk. I'm glad psu has overachieved to the point where we can crash the party. We can agree disagree right here on this___Penn St doesnt have the depth of its roster that Bama has. Several teams have stayed within a score of the Tide til halftime only to see Bama pull away and win in double digits in the second half. Ohio State is young but they have the depth as well and dont see them losing by double digits in this case.
i disagree. i watched psu and osu all year. at the beginning of the season, it was obvious osu was going to be really good this year. and psu being such a young team with a brand new offensive and defensive coordinator had some early season growing pains. but psu quickly developed their young talent. as a result, at the moment, ohio state is not on some different level than psu. ohio state has a great defense but an offense that struggles to score. in east lansing just last week, a 3 win michigan state team nearly beat them yet you think ohio state can play on the same field as alabama for an entire game? the depth between psu and osu is not great enough to make an actual difference. like i said, if psu is going to embarrass the conference if they play alabama, then so is ohio state. if alabama is going to struggle against ohio state, then they are going to struggle against penn state too.
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 8:42:13 GMT -5
fwiw if Alabama beats penn state by 35, then they beat Ohio state by 31. Ohio state may be better than penn state, but if they are, it's only slightly. Your offense sucks. This debate between Ohio state and pen state is silly bc Ohio state isn't some great team this year. They could have easily lost against Michigan state and northwestern and Michigan. The most annoying thing in cfb is the sec circle jerk...the second most annoying thing is the Michigan/Ohio state circle jerk. I'm glad psu has overachieved to the point where we can crash the party. Wow. Someone has changed his tune. Lol. And btw tosu could have easily beaten psu, if you're going the what could have happened route. Sorry to see your bitterness about a dramatic regular season ending game between two historic rivals who happened to both be in the top 3 at the time. my post last nite was a little harsh in tone. probably was unnecessary. it was an emotional weekend! i read thsi article in the east lansing journal and it made me furious www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2016/11/26/msu-football-penn-state-couch-column/94477850/ especially this quote: "MSU couldn’t save the Big Ten from a championship game no one outside of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin wants to see. It couldn’t save the College Football Playoff committee from the possibility of an uncomfortable and precedent-setting decision. It couldn’t rescue Penn State from itself — from, best-case scenario, being an awkward-but-tolerated guest next week or, worse case, embarrassing itself and the league a month from now on a national stage."my opinion is evolved a bit after watching some more games from my previous posts. based on watching ohio state struggle to beat michigan state, watching michigan lose to iowa and then struggle to beat indiana and watching the way ohio state beat michigan, i'm not convinced anymore that michigan and ohio state are better than penn state. i recognize the fluky nature of psu's win over ohio state. but since that game, psu has gotten better. it seems to me that people are basing their opinion on ohio state's reputation, and not the play on the field. psu has been average the past 5 years and ohio state has been great, therefore ohio state should go over penn state! despite psu winning head to head, the division and possibly conference. basically, i just don' see it on the field. if ohio state beat michigan soundly and didn' rely on a bunch of michigan mistakes and getting every single close call to go in their favor, i might agree that ohio state is better. if michigan didn't start to regress after playing 174 consecutive home games to start the season, i might feel differently too.
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Post by beuycek on Nov 28, 2016 9:27:32 GMT -5
Wow. Someone has changed his tune. Lol. And btw tosu could have easily beaten psu, if you're going the what could have happened route. Sorry to see your bitterness about a dramatic regular season ending game between two historic rivals who happened to both be in the top 3 at the time. my post last nite was a little harsh in tone. probably was unnecessary. it was an emotional weekend! i read thsi article in the east lansing journal and it made me furious www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2016/11/26/msu-football-penn-state-couch-column/94477850/ especially this quote: "MSU couldn’t save the Big Ten from a championship game no one outside of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin wants to see. It couldn’t save the College Football Playoff committee from the possibility of an uncomfortable and precedent-setting decision. It couldn’t rescue Penn State from itself — from, best-case scenario, being an awkward-but-tolerated guest next week or, worse case, embarrassing itself and the league a month from now on a national stage."my opinion is evolved a bit after watching some more games from my previous posts. based on watching ohio state struggle to beat michigan state, watching michigan lose to iowa and then struggle to beat indiana and watching the way ohio state beat michigan, i'm not convinced anymore that michigan and ohio state are better than penn state. i recognize the fluky nature of psu's win over ohio state. but since that game, psu has gotten better. it seems to me that people are basing their opinion on ohio state's reputation, and not the play on the field. psu has been average the past 5 years and ohio state has been great, therefore ohio state should go over penn state! despite psu winning head to head, the division and possibly conference. basically, i just don' see it on the field. if ohio state beat michigan soundly and didn' rely on a bunch of michigan mistakes and getting every single close call to go in their favor, i might agree that ohio state is better. if michigan didn't start to regress after playing 174 consecutive home games to start the season, i might feel differently too. Your hyperbole is noted but I will agree that Penn State isn't getting a fair shake. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of Ohio State based on their last two games but Penn State is a good team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by... well, whatever they are blinded by.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 9:44:19 GMT -5
We can agree disagree right here on this___Penn St doesnt have the depth of its roster that Bama has. Several teams have stayed within a score of the Tide til halftime only to see Bama pull away and win in double digits in the second half. Ohio State is young but they have the depth as well and dont see them losing by double digits in this case.
i disagree. i watched psu and osu all year. at the beginning of the season, it was obvious osu was going to be really good this year. and psu being such a young team with a brand new offensive and defensive coordinator had some early season growing pains. but psu quickly developed their young talent. as a result, at the moment, ohio state is not on some different level than psu. ohio state has a great defense but an offense that struggles to score. in east lansing just last week, a 3 win michigan state team nearly beat them yet you think ohio state can play on the same field as alabama for an entire game? the depth between psu and osu is not great enough to make an actual difference. like i said, if psu is going to embarrass the conference if they play alabama, then so is ohio state. if alabama is going to struggle against ohio state, then they are going to struggle against penn state too. osu needs to be able to pass to be most efficient on offense. passing in 25-30 mph winds that those of us at spartan stadium sat in 9 days ago was virtually impossible, or at the least extremely extremely difficult. those kind of conditions level the field. the bucks won, and being the best team in the stadium that day is what they needed to do. playing 2 straight teams on the road, in prime time, who are both off byes, levels the field. when you play a team, you know, like playing sparty after they dropped an emotional final home game w/the season they've had, matters. it is funny that you say osu's offense struggles to score when they topped 38 pts 7 times this year. certainly true that in the toughest big 10 games osu wasn't as effective (23 in regulation at wisconsin, 21 at psu, 24 vs n'western, 17 at msu, 17 vs um in regulation) but the results against the quality of competition are hard to argue with. how would psu or osu do against alabama this year? that's one of those supposition arguments that i can't stand. because neither one of us knows. nor does anyone in tuscaloosa. it's why you play. doesn't take away how good the nitts have been this year, or how they've jelled the 2nd half of the season. if i were king of the forest the uw-psu winner would move into the playoff. btw, as a parallel to the osu-um game saturday... the bucks outgained psu by nearly 140 yards back in october. dominated top (37:19-22:41), held mcsorley to 35% completions (8-23) and 2-13 on 3rd down. but the bucks were called for 8 penalties while psu only had 1. and special teams are those hidden stats that can literally flip games around. those 2 blocked kicks wiped out every edge osu had that night. which is why scoring more than the other team is the only stat that means everything.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 9:48:31 GMT -5
Wow. Someone has changed his tune. Lol. And btw tosu could have easily beaten psu, if you're going the what could have happened route. Sorry to see your bitterness about a dramatic regular season ending game between two historic rivals who happened to both be in the top 3 at the time. my post last nite was a little harsh in tone. probably was unnecessary. it was an emotional weekend! i read thsi article in the east lansing journal and it made me furious www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2016/11/26/msu-football-penn-state-couch-column/94477850/ especially this quote: "MSU couldn’t save the Big Ten from a championship game no one outside of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin wants to see. It couldn’t save the College Football Playoff committee from the possibility of an uncomfortable and precedent-setting decision. It couldn’t rescue Penn State from itself — from, best-case scenario, being an awkward-but-tolerated guest next week or, worse case, embarrassing itself and the league a month from now on a national stage."my opinion is evolved a bit after watching some more games from my previous posts. based on watching ohio state struggle to beat michigan state, watching michigan lose to iowa and then struggle to beat indiana and watching the way ohio state beat michigan, i'm not convinced anymore that michigan and ohio state are better than penn state. i recognize the fluky nature of psu's win over ohio state. but since that game, psu has gotten better. it seems to me that people are basing their opinion on ohio state's reputation, and not the play on the field. psu has been average the past 5 years and ohio state has been great, therefore ohio state should go over penn state! despite psu winning head to head, the division and possibly conference. basically, i just don' see it on the field. if ohio state beat michigan soundly and didn' rely on a bunch of michigan mistakes and getting every single close call to go in their favor, i might agree that ohio state is better. if michigan didn't start to regress after playing 174 consecutive home games to start the season, i might feel differently too. sigh. so osu needed to dominate their arch rival in order to prove they're better than psu? seriously? i'm sorry. that statement takes into account virtually nothing about what it's like to play in a game like that. repeat... virtually nothing.
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 9:48:47 GMT -5
my post last nite was a little harsh in tone. probably was unnecessary. it was an emotional weekend! i read thsi article in the east lansing journal and it made me furious www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2016/11/26/msu-football-penn-state-couch-column/94477850/ especially this quote: "MSU couldn’t save the Big Ten from a championship game no one outside of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin wants to see. It couldn’t save the College Football Playoff committee from the possibility of an uncomfortable and precedent-setting decision. It couldn’t rescue Penn State from itself — from, best-case scenario, being an awkward-but-tolerated guest next week or, worse case, embarrassing itself and the league a month from now on a national stage."my opinion is evolved a bit after watching some more games from my previous posts. based on watching ohio state struggle to beat michigan state, watching michigan lose to iowa and then struggle to beat indiana and watching the way ohio state beat michigan, i'm not convinced anymore that michigan and ohio state are better than penn state. i recognize the fluky nature of psu's win over ohio state. but since that game, psu has gotten better. it seems to me that people are basing their opinion on ohio state's reputation, and not the play on the field. psu has been average the past 5 years and ohio state has been great, therefore ohio state should go over penn state! despite psu winning head to head, the division and possibly conference. basically, i just don' see it on the field. if ohio state beat michigan soundly and didn' rely on a bunch of michigan mistakes and getting every single close call to go in their favor, i might agree that ohio state is better. if michigan didn't start to regress after playing 174 consecutive home games to start the season, i might feel differently too. Your hyperbole is noted but I will agree that Penn State isn't getting a fair shake. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of Ohio State based on their last two games but Penn State is a good team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by... well, whatever they are blinded by. the hyperbole is the people who say osu should get selected over psu b/c psu will embarrass the conference against alabama. thankfully, psu gets one more game to prove themselves. if psu wins this weekend, i will be absolutely annoyed if we are not selected. if psu wins by 14 or more against wisconsin and we are not selected, i will be furious.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 9:50:09 GMT -5
Your hyperbole is noted but I will agree that Penn State isn't getting a fair shake. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of Ohio State based on their last two games but Penn State is a good team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by... well, whatever they are blinded by. the hyperbole is the people who say osu should get selected over psu b/c psu will embarrass the conference against alabama. thankfully, psu gets one more game to prove themselves. if psu wins this weekend, i will be absolutely annoyed if we are not selected. if psu wins by 14 or more against wisconsin and we are not selected, i will be furious. didn't you say exactly that 2 weeks ago??? lmao. i swear you said that you had no desire to see psu get embarrassed in that scenario.
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Post by beuycek on Nov 28, 2016 9:58:37 GMT -5
Your hyperbole is noted but I will agree that Penn State isn't getting a fair shake. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of Ohio State based on their last two games but Penn State is a good team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by... well, whatever they are blinded by. the hyperbole is the people who say osu should get selected over psu b/c psu will embarrass the conference against alabama. thankfully, psu gets one more game to prove themselves. if psu wins this weekend, i will be absolutely annoyed if we are not selected. if psu wins by 14 or more against wisconsin and we are not selected, i will be furious. I was referring to your comment that you would consider Ohio State better if they didn't get "every single call to go in their favor" and Michigan playing 174 home games. You sound bitter when you say things like that, especially when neither team is the source of your bitterness. Take it out on the people who are disrespecting your program with their comments about embarrassing the conference.
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Post by beuycek on Nov 28, 2016 10:00:02 GMT -5
the hyperbole is the people who say osu should get selected over psu b/c psu will embarrass the conference against alabama. thankfully, psu gets one more game to prove themselves. if psu wins this weekend, i will be absolutely annoyed if we are not selected. if psu wins by 14 or more against wisconsin and we are not selected, i will be furious. didn't you say exactly that 2 weeks ago??? lmao. i swear you said that you had no desire to see psu get embarrassed in that scenario. Here you go... i think you'd be surprised how psu fans would react. most thought we'd win 6-7 games. but if they win 10 games and play in a big time new years bowl, psu fans would be thrilled. it's all about expectations. i'd rather have psu play a good team in a competitive bowl game than have the nation cry who 9 months about how penn state was overrated and didn't belong after losing to alabama by 50. Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/25814/chaos-scenario-thoughts#ixzz4RJdqaTN5
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 10:00:03 GMT -5
Where have I justified that Osu deserves to be in? I will say it again. If I were running this, my alma mater would not be in it, because I hate, hate, the beauty pageant element of this. It would be easy for me to say that 2011 involved just 2 teams being chosen, while this is 4, and I do appreciate your 'obvious' sympathy for my position, even if it did irk you. I'm not a fan of situational ethics, and I have a week to decide whether to eat my words or not. My brother in law is already looking at Phoenix flights, and having a sister who lives in oldsmar would be pretty damn convenient should Tampa enter in the equation. Or maybe I could just shock Jodi and suggest we do dinner and a movie New Year's Eve. She might just insist I go by myself so she can watch the game, should the Bucks get a bid. Lol In the OSU team thread you were justifying it. That you don't even know you were is where my "reluctance" comment proves prescient. Given the amount of crap spewed at the SEC for Bama's 2011 Championship the last 5 years, I hope you understand why I am enjoying this "ethical" dilemma you and many other OSU fans are dealing with. As a side note, you need to root for UF to score some points, any points, Saturday. The all time record streak for a team not being shut out is Michigan at 365. UF is at 359. Wouldn't you like to see someone break tsun's record? i just looked at my posts on the team board. other than saying i was headed to campus (i wasn't reluctant to get in the car... i had tickets for the game-lol), talking about how compelling the game was when i finally got back home saturday night, and commenting on the peppers/fan video post game, i don't see anything i've said or typed that indicates i've changed my tune about how i think the playoff participants should be chosen. i was, and continue to be, excited about the win, which was one of, if not the, most exciting game i've seen in person. probably a tie with the '02 miami game, which also ended regulation 17-17 on a last second fg, and went 2 ot's. i talked about how proud i was of this team replacing 16 starters, 75-80% of whom are in the nfl now, and earning the kind of success it has this year. on other threads i've certainly commented on what could happen w/the committee as it relates to osu. how can you not? but commenting on something doesn't mean i've changed my mind. i haven't. now if you'll excuse me, i need to pull out my webster's dictionary to look up prescient.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 10:02:24 GMT -5
didn't you say exactly that 2 weeks ago??? lmao. i swear you said that you had no desire to see psu get embarrassed in that scenario. Here you go... i think you'd be surprised how psu fans would react. most thought we'd win 6-7 games. but if they win 10 games and play in a big time new years bowl, psu fans would be thrilled. it's all about expectations. i'd rather have psu play a good team in a competitive bowl game than have the nation cry who 9 months about how penn state was overrated and didn't belong after losing to alabama by 50. Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/25814/chaos-scenario-thoughts#ixzz4RJdqaTN5thx mike. i was going to look that up after finding out what prescient means... ha
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 10:03:55 GMT -5
i disagree. i watched psu and osu all year. at the beginning of the season, it was obvious osu was going to be really good this year. and psu being such a young team with a brand new offensive and defensive coordinator had some early season growing pains. but psu quickly developed their young talent. as a result, at the moment, ohio state is not on some different level than psu. ohio state has a great defense but an offense that struggles to score. in east lansing just last week, a 3 win michigan state team nearly beat them yet you think ohio state can play on the same field as alabama for an entire game? the depth between psu and osu is not great enough to make an actual difference. like i said, if psu is going to embarrass the conference if they play alabama, then so is ohio state. if alabama is going to struggle against ohio state, then they are going to struggle against penn state too. osu needs to be able to pass to be most efficient on offense. passing in 25-30 mph winds that those of us at spartan stadium sat in 9 days ago was virtually impossible, or at the least extremely extremely difficult. those kind of conditions level the field. the bucks won, and being the best team in the stadium that day is what they needed to do. playing 2 straight teams on the road, in prime time, who are both off byes, levels the field. when you play a team, you know, like playing sparty after they dropped an emotional final home game w/the season they've had, matters. it is funny that you say osu's offense struggles to score when they topped 38 pts 7 times this year. certainly true that in the toughest big 10 games osu wasn't as effective (23 in regulation at wisconsin, 21 at psu, 24 vs n'western, 17 at msu, 17 vs um in regulation) but the results against the quality of competition are hard to argue with. how would psu or osu do against alabama this year? that's one of those supposition arguments that i can't stand. because neither one of us knows. nor does anyone in tuscaloosa. it's why you play. doesn't take away how good the nitts have been this year, or how they've jelled the 2nd half of the season. if i were king of the forest the uw-psu winner would move into the playoff. btw, as a parallel to the osu-um game saturday... the bucks outgained psu by nearly 140 yards back in october. dominated top (37:19-22:41), held mcsorley to 35% completions (8-23) and 2-13 on 3rd down. but the bucks were called for 8 penalties while psu only had 1. and special teams are those hidden stats that can literally flip games around. those 2 blocked kicks wiped out every edge osu had that night. which is why scoring more than the other team is the only stat that means everything. it just seems that you are adding qualifiers to everything. "we're superior BUT it was windy. we're superior BUT for a few special teams plays. we're superior BUT our opponent was coming off a bye week." i get this a lot from ohio state fans. it's this sense of entitlement that if they don' absolutely destroy an opponent, it's not b/c the opponent is good and made plays. it's b/c the refs or the weather or the placement of their opponents bye week or something else out of ohio states control.
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 10:08:32 GMT -5
didn't you say exactly that 2 weeks ago??? lmao. i swear you said that you had no desire to see psu get embarrassed in that scenario. Here you go... i think you'd be surprised how psu fans would react. most thought we'd win 6-7 games. but if they win 10 games and play in a big time new years bowl, psu fans would be thrilled. it's all about expectations. i'd rather have psu play a good team in a competitive bowl game than have the nation cry who 9 months about how penn state was overrated and didn't belong after losing to alabama by 50. Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/25814/chaos-scenario-thoughts#ixzz4RJdqaTN5i posted this and i changed my opinion. i realized that getting to the conference title game in a strong division like the big 10 east is very difficult and it's not a guarantee that we will be back in this position. and i'd rather play for a national title now knowing that we not be back in this position even if penn state gets better.
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Post by beuycek on Nov 28, 2016 10:12:35 GMT -5
Here you go... i think you'd be surprised how psu fans would react. most thought we'd win 6-7 games. but if they win 10 games and play in a big time new years bowl, psu fans would be thrilled. it's all about expectations. i'd rather have psu play a good team in a competitive bowl game than have the nation cry who 9 months about how penn state was overrated and didn't belong after losing to alabama by 50. Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/25814/chaos-scenario-thoughts#ixzz4RJdqaTN5i posted this and i changed my opinion. i realized that getting to the conference title game in a strong division like the big 10 east is very difficult and it's not a guarantee that we will be back in this position. and i'd rather play for a national title now knowing that we not be back in this position even if penn state gets better. No issues with changing your opinion a couple of weeks later. The reasoning, on the other hand...
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 10:14:43 GMT -5
my post last nite was a little harsh in tone. probably was unnecessary. it was an emotional weekend! i read thsi article in the east lansing journal and it made me furious www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2016/11/26/msu-football-penn-state-couch-column/94477850/ especially this quote: "MSU couldn’t save the Big Ten from a championship game no one outside of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin wants to see. It couldn’t save the College Football Playoff committee from the possibility of an uncomfortable and precedent-setting decision. It couldn’t rescue Penn State from itself — from, best-case scenario, being an awkward-but-tolerated guest next week or, worse case, embarrassing itself and the league a month from now on a national stage."my opinion is evolved a bit after watching some more games from my previous posts. based on watching ohio state struggle to beat michigan state, watching michigan lose to iowa and then struggle to beat indiana and watching the way ohio state beat michigan, i'm not convinced anymore that michigan and ohio state are better than penn state. i recognize the fluky nature of psu's win over ohio state. but since that game, psu has gotten better. it seems to me that people are basing their opinion on ohio state's reputation, and not the play on the field. psu has been average the past 5 years and ohio state has been great, therefore ohio state should go over penn state! despite psu winning head to head, the division and possibly conference. basically, i just don' see it on the field. if ohio state beat michigan soundly and didn' rely on a bunch of michigan mistakes and getting every single close call to go in their favor, i might agree that ohio state is better. if michigan didn't start to regress after playing 174 consecutive home games to start the season, i might feel differently too. sigh. so osu needed to dominate their arch rival in order to prove they're better than psu? seriously? i'm sorry. that statement takes into account virtually nothing about what it's like to play in a game like that. repeat... virtually nothing. not dominate. but play at least play better than they did.
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