WEEK 4 -- "Do you ever have deja vu, Mrs. Lancaster?"

[trnyerheadncough]

Ladies and gents, I realize this is rather short notice, but due to the added suspension of Winston, I believe that we need to make a change.

The line has moved to FSU +12 1/2. That's a far cry from +20. Given the short time frame for consideration, I think I need to pull it entirely.

I'm willing to keep it on here...but only if I have consensus from every single player to keep it. In the interest of fairness...the line is reset to 12 1/2.

If everyone notifies me, either here or via PM with whether to drop it or keep it (and your pick if kept) I'll go from there.

Votes are anonymous if ya want....no shame in dropping it if you don't feel comfortable. I mean...this is a big deal here....board pride is at stake.

[Lee The Locksmith]

Sept 20, 2014 6:27:19 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Ladies and gents, I realize this is rather short notice, but due to the added suspension of Winston, I believe that we need to make a change.

The line has moved to FSU +12 1/2. That's a far cry from +20. Given the short time frame for consideration, I think I need to pull it entirely.

I'm willing to keep it on here...but only if I have consensus from every single player to keep it. In the interest of fairness...the line is reset to 12 1/2.

If everyone notifies me, either here or via PM with whether to drop it or keep it (and your pick if kept) I'll go from there.

Votes are anonymous if ya want....no shame in dropping it if you don't feel comfortable. I mean...this is a big deal here....board pride is at stake.

SCREW THAT !!!! NO CHANGES !!!

I say either leave it or REPLACE it with another game

You're basing this on the fact that he got suspended...What if slammed his hand in the car door or bumped his head doin situps ? Are we REALLY gonna go down this slippery road ? I say NO WAY ? What if the QB for Georgia Tech has to be at his dying mother's bedside at the last minute and can't play ? That would change the odds also.....NO, are system here isn't completely perfect but it is as it is....All of a sudden, I have a feeling Klemzon is lookin mighty good temari...SO BE IT !

[beuycek]

Keep it, and not because I picked Clemson. The player is impactful (obviously) and the timing is unfortunate but have you ever previously considered pulling a game because of an injury/suspension of a single player after posting the game that week? I don't know if it has happened in the three years we have been at this but it wouldn't *feel* right to pull the game, IMO.

[Deleted]

Sept 20, 2014 6:27:19 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Ladies and gents, I realize this is rather short notice, but due to the added suspension of Winston, I believe that we need to make a change.

The line has moved to FSU +12 1/2. That's a far cry from +20. Given the short time frame for consideration, I think I need to pull it entirely.

I'm willing to keep it on here...but only if I have consensus from every single player to keep it. In the interest of fairness...the line is reset to 12 1/2.

If everyone notifies me, either here or via PM with whether to drop it or keep it (and your pick if kept) I'll go from there.

Votes are anonymous if ya want....no shame in dropping it if you don't feel comfortable. I mean...this is a big deal here....board pride is at stake.

I say dump it, but if you keep it. I will want to change my pick to Clemson.

[beuycek]

BTW, I also disagree with resetting the line. You have never done that before despite lines moving all the time, and shouldn't start now. The game was posted at 20, it should remain there.

[Deleted]

Sept 20, 2014 7:23:06 GMT -5 beuycek said:

BTW, I also disagree with resetting the line. You have never done that before despite lines moving all the time, and shouldn't start now. The game was posted at 20, it should remain there.

then I really want to change to Clemson LOL

[gatr55555]

I SMELL FEAR IN THE SEMINOLE CAMP !!!!

[beuycek]

Sept 20, 2014 7:26:05 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes7ncs said:

Sept 20, 2014 7:23:06 GMT -5 beuycek said:

BTW, I also disagree with resetting the line. You have never done that before despite lines moving all the time, and shouldn't start now. The game was posted at 20, it should remain there.

then I really want to change to Clemson LOL

I was taking Clemson whether it was 20 or 12 1/2, with or without Winston. I just think changing the rules on the fly because it is a big story that involves FSU is a bad idea.

I'll go with whatever is decided but we were asked for our opinions so I will freely share them.

[trnyerheadncough]

That's kind of my point, Beuy...the game is meant to be a game of fairness as well as some skill (or perhaps luck), and the question goes to the integrity of the game.

The fact of the matter is, at FSU +20, given the circumstances, is not a fair line or a proper metric to base a rational decision. Technically, I believe when we all set up this deal a couple of years ago, it was agreed that one could change his picks up until 1 minute before kick off of the first game.

I can recall tinkering with that rule in letting some picks made on Friday that missed Thursdays games just be wrong on Thursdays as opposed to shitcanning the whole week. Didn't seem fair to have them automatically lose games that haven't even started. So, if I did that, it would let people change picks up until kickoff at 7:59 this evening for that game.

My point in this is that it doesn't really make for a good game. I don't want all of my games on the list to be 20-0 or 19-1, or even 18-2 in terms of player breakdowns. If it is 20-0, it might as well not be on the list. In this case, I honestly don't care if it is FSU +30 because I'd still probably take FSU out of a sense of loyalty and pride....but 19-1 isn't a very interesting game either. And for those thinking I'm doing this in my own self interest....you'll note that during every single game that has involved FSU during this contest, I have never ever ever picked against FSU. I wouldn't do so now. This game was already 16-4...with myself, CWG, Max, and MScott taking FSU.

I just think that FSU +12 1/2 with Winston out makes for a better thought process than FSU +20 without Winston. But like I said...if the consensus is that it stays, it is fine by me.

Although I would say that before the contest next year, we should have a pow-wow rules discussion to hammer these situations out in stone.

P.S. IF FSU wins by more than 20 this evening.....every single one of you can kiss my ass in Macy's window tomorrow morning.

[cbisbig]

Sept 20, 2014 7:44:37 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

That's kind of my point, Beuy...the game is meant to be a game of fairness as well as some skill (or perhaps luck), and the question goes to the integrity of the game.

The fact of the matter is, at FSU +20, given the circumstances, is not a fair line or a proper metric to base a rational decision. Technically, I believe when we all set up this deal a couple of years ago, it was agreed that one could change his picks up until 1 minute before kick off of the first game.

I can recall tinkering with that rule in letting some picks made on Friday that missed Thursdays games just be wrong on Thursdays as opposed to shitcanning the whole week. Didn't seem fair to have them automatically lose games that haven't even started. So, if I did that, it would let people change picks up until kickoff at 7:59 this evening for that game.

My point in this is that it doesn't really make for a good game. I don't want all of my games on the list to be 20-0 or 19-1, or even 18-2 in terms of player breakdowns. If it is 20-0, it might as well not be on the list. In this case, I honestly don't care if it is FSU +30 because I'd still probably take FSU out of a sense of loyalty and pride....but 19-1 isn't a very interesting game either. And for those thinking I'm doing this in my own self interest....you'll note that during every single game that has involved FSU during this contest, I have never ever ever picked against FSU. I wouldn't do so now. This game was already 16-4...with myself, CWG, Max, and MScott taking FSU.

I just think that FSU +12 1/2 with Winston out makes for a better thought process than FSU +20 without Winston. But like I said...if the consensus is that it stays, it is fine by me.

Although I would say that before the contest next year, we should have a pow-wow rules discussion to hammer these situations out in stone.

P.S. IF FSU wins by more than 20 this evening.....every single one of you can kiss my ass in Macy's window tomorrow morning.

Since you put it that way, I don't mind the line change to make things more competitive. I'm sticking with Clemson + 12 1/2

[Deleted]

Sept 20, 2014 7:31:09 GMT -5 beuycek said:

Sept 20, 2014 7:26:05 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes7ncs said:

then I really want to change to Clemson LOL

I was taking Clemson whether it was 20 or 12 1/2, with or without Winston. I just think changing the rules on the fly because it is a big story that involves FSU is a bad idea.

I'll go with whatever is decided but we were asked for our opinions so I will freely share them.

Absolutely. Wasn't say you were wrong. Just trying to be funny

[Deleted]

Sept 20, 2014 7:44:37 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

I wouldn't do so now. This game was already 16-4...with myself, CWG, Max, and MScott taking FSU.



P.S. IF FSU wins by more than 20 this evening.....every single one of you can kiss my ass in Macy's window tomorrow morning.

Actually it's 17-3 now. CWG has jumped ship

[beuycek]

Trn, I appreciate the response and definitely appreciate your efforts to not only manage the process year in and year but also in trying to make it as fair as possible.

My opinion is it should stay at 20 but if the majority thinks it should be 12 1/2 for the good of the game, I am 100% on board with that.

[trnyerheadncough]

And that's fine. If the masses want it to stay at 20, then so be it.

My point is that if the breakdown is 19-1, it really won't have an effect on the game at all...nearly everyone is going to be right, or nearly everyone is going to be wrong, so it really doesn't matter.

The reasons for taking lines on Wednesday (or whenever I post them) is more of a convenience factor for me. It would be way too difficult for me to try to track lines as they change to make sure they are the "right" line when the game kicks off, so I just pick an arbitrary time and that's the line. That was the same reason for making picks final as of Thursdays games. I don't want to have to try to check to make sure people have their picks in on Saturday mornings at 11:59 or 3:29 to try to make sure the pick is legit. Just everyone get it in before kickoff Thursday. I've been a little lax on that rule because stuff comes up and people are sometimes late on Thursday (especially considering some weeks I don't include the Thursday games) and life occasionally gets in the way....so I don't feel like it is fair to just dump an entire week because you got delayed in the Altoona airport and the WiFi was down on Thursday afternoon and you couldn't get that Thursday pick in.

I just see this situation (or another similar situation if a star player is injured on Friday and is out) as something that affects the integrity of the game. The line is clearly way off now for this game (we assume), and people made their determinations based on the idea that FSU would be playing at full strength, or then, full strength for a half. Now, they won't have their star player for the entire game. If Winston had been injured on the first play...well, that's how the cookie crumbles. If we want to adopt that stance for the entire douche tournament, I can live with that.

I guess it boils down to this...and maybe this isn't the weekend to make this decision. Maybe it should be done in the offseason. But if we're going to allow changes up until say...11:59 on Saturday (with special exceptions for Thursday tilts), then we need to make some consideration for major line changes due to unforseen circumstances.

The downside is that we all don't always have the opportunity to check in here to note changes. But even when saying that, I mean, everyone on this board has heard about Winston. If a major suspension or injury were to occur to a major university (the kinds that are generally in our game), we're going to know about it, and it would make sense to assume players would check in to see if alterations have been made or are being considered. We aren't playing for money, so folks may not give a shit anyway...but I know that I would check in to the board if I were just a player and not the head man in charge.

What we all do NOT want, is to have ANY game on the list be 20-0, or 19-1. Those are honestly a waste of time. Even 18-2 or 17-3 should be rare (unless those huge underdogs cover....think UTSA earlier this year...but even those just make for nice footnotes, they don't change too much the overall results for most players in respect to each other). But having a 19-1 game with the 19 coming through isn't exciting at all. The one game I'm absolutely going to watch this weekend (other than FSU) is the UVA-BYU game. That's the first 10-10 game we've had (unless we did in week 1 or 2, which I haven't calculated yet)...so that game will have a major impact on the final standings. Those are great.

Given these unique circumstances, it probably would be best to leave it alone for this weekend, given the late change by the FSU administration and the fact that most of our players probably wouldn't assume they'd be able to make a change even if they wanted to. But it is something we need to think about for future contests.

[Deleted]

Keep it. I'll keep Clem but I think you should leave the points as we originally posted.