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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jul 7, 2022 13:16:22 GMT -5
What a pile of horse crap. The truth is that the few gun control half-measures that exist in the U.S. have been completely inadequate to prevent our epidemic of mass shootings-- 309 in 2022! There are too many loopholes, and lax law enforcement. And the NRA-funded Republicon Party is responsible for systematically sabotaging effective gun control measures that have worked in other countries to reduce mass shootings, and gun homicides, in general. Yeah right, because the Republican Party has so much sway in Illinois. Newsflash. Uncle Clarence Thomas and the NRA-funded SCROTUS just blocked gun control by a state legislature (in NY.) And, in any case, Chicago's guns are trucked in from Indiana.
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Post by oujour76 on Jul 7, 2022 13:17:02 GMT -5
This is a people and culture problem more than anything else. JMO. Well, yeah...but that doesn't mean we are powerless to find a remedy. Simply saying attack the root of the problem.
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Post by Walter on Jul 7, 2022 13:49:14 GMT -5
Well, yeah...but that doesn't mean we are powerless to find a remedy. Simply saying attack the root of the problem. That takes me back to my tobacco analogy of a few weeks back. Essentially....Make guns and gun culture uncool to the generations to come.
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Post by oujour76 on Jul 7, 2022 14:01:52 GMT -5
Yeah right, because the Republican Party has so much sway in Illinois. Newsflash. Uncle Clarence Thomas and the NRA-funded SCROTUS just blocked gun control by a state legislature (in NY.) And, in any case, Chicago's guns are trucked in from Indiana. Criminals break laws? Who knew? And your solution is more laws? Brilliant idea…since criminals don’t follow laws, disarm those who do follow laws.
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Post by oujour76 on Jul 7, 2022 14:08:52 GMT -5
Simply saying attack the root of the problem. That takes me back to my tobacco analogy of a few weeks back. Essentially....Make guns and gun culture uncool to the generations to come. This is less about gun culture than it is the culture of the country.
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Post by Walter on Jul 7, 2022 14:12:33 GMT -5
That takes me back to my tobacco analogy of a few weeks back. Essentially....Make guns and gun culture uncool to the generations to come. This is less about gun culture than it is the culture of the country. Agreed.
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Post by oujour76 on Jul 7, 2022 14:25:55 GMT -5
This is less about gun culture than it is the culture of the country. Agreed. Damn. We found common ground. It’s a start. 😎
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jul 7, 2022 16:06:06 GMT -5
Newsflash. Uncle Clarence Thomas and the NRA-funded SCROTUS just blocked gun control by a state legislature (in NY.) And, in any case, Chicago's guns are trucked in from Indiana. Criminals break laws? Who knew? And your solution is more laws? Brilliant idea…since criminals don’t follow laws, disarm those who do follow laws. Put on your tiny thinking cap, O'Chicken. What laws have worked so well to prevent gun homicides in the rest of the civilized world? Any clue?
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Post by oujour76 on Jul 7, 2022 16:57:22 GMT -5
Criminals break laws? Who knew? And your solution is more laws? Brilliant idea…since criminals don’t follow laws, disarm those who do follow laws. Put on your tiny thinking cap, O'Chicken. What laws have worked so well to prevent gun homicides in the rest of the civilized world? Any clue? Meaningless and stupid argument. Your specialty. We’re in the United States. Tell me what laws will work here to achieve your end and along the way don’t forget to keep them Constitutional.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jul 7, 2022 17:28:47 GMT -5
Put on your tiny thinking cap, O'Chicken. What laws have worked so well to prevent gun homicides in the rest of the civilized world? Any clue? Meaningless and stupid argument. Your specialty. We’re in the United States. Tell me what laws will work here to achieve your end and along the way don’t forget to keep them Constitutional. Adequate gun control laws, similar to those that have worked so well in the UK, Canada, Australia, and other G20 nations. Our Second Amendment was written by 18th century slave owners, for their state slave militia/patrols with muskets. We have to get rid of the guns, to safeguard our population from all of the angry, loony gun nuts who are murdering American citizens-- including children-- on a daily basis.
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Post by oujour76 on Jul 7, 2022 19:16:06 GMT -5
Meaningless and stupid argument. Your specialty. We’re in the United States. Tell me what laws will work here to achieve your end and along the way don’t forget to keep them Constitutional. Adequate gun control laws, similar to those that have worked so well in the UK, Canada, Australia, and other G20 nations. Write them and make them Constitutional. They have to fit the United States, not the UK, etc. That is your assignment. Our Second Amendment was written by 18th century slave owners, for their state slave militia/patrols with muskets. Get an amendment passed in Congress repealing or changing 2A and then get it ratified by 38 states. That is also your assignment. We have to get rid of the guns, to safeguard our population from all of the angry, loony gun nuts who are murdering American citizens-- including children-- on a daily basis. It's much more of a people and culture issue than it is a gun issue. You have never seemed to recognize that. If confiscation is your answer, I wish you well and hope you personally lead the effort on a door-to-door basis. Show them your diploma so they will know how smart you are.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jul 7, 2022 20:05:04 GMT -5
Adequate gun control laws, similar to those that have worked so well in the UK, Canada, Australia, and other G20 nations. Write them and make them Constitutional. They have to fit the United States, not the UK, etc. That is your assignment. Our Second Amendment was written by 18th century slave owners, for their state slave militia/patrols with muskets. Get an amendment passed in Congress repealing or changing 2A and then get it ratified by 38 states. That is also your assignment. We have to get rid of the guns, to safeguard our population from all of the angry, loony gun nuts who are murdering American citizens-- including children-- on a daily basis. It's much more of a people and culture issue than it is a gun issue. You have never seemed to recognize that. If confiscation is your answer, I wish you well and hope you personally lead the effort on a door-to-door basis. Show them your diploma so they will know how smart you are. We have to do what works, O'Chicken. Good, old American "pragmatism." The guns are the problem. Other nations have comparable rates of mental illness and video game usage. Every other advanced G-20 nation in the world has outpaced us by miles on this gun homicide crisis. Republicons and the NRA have obstructed a solution to the American crisis for years.
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Post by dilligaf on Jul 7, 2022 21:22:55 GMT -5
Adequate gun control laws, similar to those that have worked so well in the UK, Canada, Australia, and other G20 nations. Write them and make them Constitutional. They have to fit the United States, not the UK, etc. That is your assignment. Our Second Amendment was written by 18th century slave owners, for their state slave militia/patrols with muskets. Get an amendment passed in Congress repealing or changing 2A and then get it ratified by 38 states. That is also your assignment. We have to get rid of the guns, to safeguard our population from all of the angry, loony gun nuts who are murdering American citizens-- including children-- on a daily basis. It's much more of a people and culture issue than it is a gun issue. You have never seemed to recognize that. If confiscation is your answer, I wish you well and hope you personally lead the effort on a door-to-door basis. Show them your diploma so they will know how smart you are. It is not "gun nuts" who are murdering other Americans. It is out of control CRIMINALS.
"Gun nuts" are the same as "car nuts," "motorcycle nuts," "fishing nuts," or any other "nuts." We are law abiding citizens who enjoy our hobbies and our collections.
This is America. We don't punish the majority for the bad acts of a small minority.
FWIW, #2 on PyschoTheRapist's list is a PURE LIE. 2A says we have the right to keep and bear ARMS. Nowhere is the type of arm specified or limited. Bladed weapons are arms, too.
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Post by oujour76 on Jul 7, 2022 22:57:28 GMT -5
We have to do what works, O'Chicken. Good, old American "pragmatism." The guns are the problem. Other nations have comparable rates of mental illness and video game usage. Every other advanced G-20 nation in the world has outpaced us by miles on this gun homicide crisis. Republicons and the NRA have obstructed a solution to the American crisis for years. Pragmatism means doing what can work in our country, not others. I gave you the ways to accomplish that: 1. Write laws that pass Constitutional muster. 2. Change the Constitution. Option 3 is go door-to-door and tell people to surrender their guns because you're a Harvard polymath.
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