Why Is the IRS Involved in Seizing 4473's?

[dilligaf]

Jun 22, 2023 5:16:39 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 21, 2023 23:11:42 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

BINGO!
The persecution began AFTER Bitem took office, and we all know what Bitem feels about "assault rifles."

They haven't found that the shop owner has done anything wrong, but they have picked their target, and they are going to find SOMETHING to hang on him.  They don't like it that he sells a lot of AR and AK styled semiauto sporting rifles.   They don't like it that Americans WANT to own these guns and have the right to do so.

Didn't your brainless leader declare that he was going to ban them?

If that is actually true, kudos to Biden for stirring that pot.
Alas, I fear the reason is more criminally mundane than than.

So you think it is a good idea for a POTUS to interfere in fully legal commercial activity.

The public has the RIGHT to choose whatever firearm they want

You would be screaming your panties off if the POTUS tried to ban SUV's.

Let's hear it from ATF and the IRS about why they are harassing the gun store owner.   The public has the right to know.

[Walter]

Jun 22, 2023 22:21:40 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jun 22, 2023 5:16:39 GMT -5 Walter said:

If that is actually true, kudos to Biden for stirring that pot.
Alas, I fear the reason is more criminally mundane than than.

So you think it is a good idea for a POTUS to interfere in fully legal commercial activity.

The public has the RIGHT to choose whatever firearm they want

You would be screaming your panties off if the POTUS tried to ban SUV's.

Let's hear it from ATF and the IRS about why they are harassing the gun store owner.   The public has the right to know.

"...fully legal commercial activity..."?
You know this...how?

[dilligaf]

Jun 23, 2023 8:18:16 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 22, 2023 22:21:40 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

So you think it is a good idea for a POTUS to interfere in fully legal commercial activity.

The public has the RIGHT to choose whatever firearm they want

You would be screaming your panties off if the POTUS tried to ban SUV's.

Let's hear it from ATF and the IRS about why they are harassing the gun store owner.   The public has the right to know.

"...fully legal commercial activity..."?
You know this...how?

When a person fills out a Form 4473, the gun store (FFL holder) sends the info in, and when the buyer comes back clean, that is a fully legal commercial activity.   What part of that is hard for you to understand?
If a buyer lies on the form like Hunter Biden did, that is a crime for the ATF to prosecute.  The FFL holder has no culpability in that.
Since you are so worried about it, why are you not demanding that Hunter Biden be charged for lying on a Form 4473?  

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 23, 2023 23:08:49 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jun 23, 2023 8:18:16 GMT -5 Walter said:

"...fully legal commercial activity..."?
You know this...how?

When a person fills out a Form 4473, the gun store (FFL holder) sends the info in, and when the buyer comes back clean, that is a fully legal commercial activity.   What part of that is hard for you to understand?
If a buyer lies on the form like Hunter Biden did, that is a crime for the ATF to prosecute.  The FFL holder has no culpability in that.
Since you are so worried about it, why are you not demanding that Hunter Biden be charged for lying on a Form 4473?  

You know DAMN well why.

[Walter]

Jun 23, 2023 23:08:49 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jun 23, 2023 8:18:16 GMT -5 Walter said:

"...fully legal commercial activity..."?
You know this...how?

When a person fills out a Form 4473, the gun store (FFL holder) sends the info in, and when the buyer comes back clean, that is a fully legal commercial activity.   What part of that is hard for you to understand?
If a buyer lies on the form like Hunter Biden did, that is a crime for the ATF to prosecute.  The FFL holder has no culpability in that.
Since you are so worried about it, why are you not demanding that Hunter Biden be charged for lying on a Form 4473?  

He was.

[dilligaf]

Jun 24, 2023 7:32:44 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 23, 2023 23:08:49 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

When a person fills out a Form 4473, the gun store (FFL holder) sends the info in, and when the buyer comes back clean, that is a fully legal commercial activity.   What part of that is hard for you to understand?
If a buyer lies on the form like Hunter Biden did, that is a crime for the ATF to prosecute.  The FFL holder has no culpability in that.
Since you are so worried about it, why are you not demanding that Hunter Biden be charged for lying on a Form 4473?  

He was.

Technically he was charged.
But allowing him to get away with a FELONY while pleading guilty to two misdemeanors is a total joke.

[Walter]

Jun 24, 2023 17:32:10 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jun 24, 2023 7:32:44 GMT -5 Walter said:

He was.

Technically he was charged.
But allowing him to get away with a FELONY while pleading guilty to two misdemeanors is a total joke.

Yeah. Cuz that never happens...dozens, maybe hundreds of times every single day somewhere in America.

[AlaCowboy]

Jun 25, 2023 4:23:32 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 24, 2023 17:32:10 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Technically he was charged.
But allowing him to get away with a FELONY while pleading guilty to two misdemeanors is a total joke.

Yeah. Cuz that never happens...dozens, maybe hundreds of times every single day somewhere in America.

Walter, if you're ok with not jailing someone that admits lying on a background check form why do you insist background checks should be more stringent? It defeats the purpose of a background check if there is no penalty for providing false information and buying a gun.

[Walter]

Jun 25, 2023 10:04:29 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jun 25, 2023 4:23:32 GMT -5 Walter said:

Yeah. Cuz that never happens...dozens, maybe hundreds of times every single day somewhere in America.

Walter, if you're ok with not jailing someone that admits lying on a background check form why do you insist background checks should be more stringent? It defeats the purpose of a background check if there is no penalty for providing false information and buying a gun.

First, the purpose of the background check is not just to take the word of the applicant, nor to verify that the information is all correct, but to examine records to ascertain if the applicant is suitable to possess a firearm. Lying on the app is reason to ban the applicant from being allowed to possess a firarm. Prison time is only a secondary remedy.
Sentencing records bear this out.

Second, if you are into jail time as a deterrent, is there any circumstance where a person who commits a felony crime, any felony crime, should not go to prison?

[Panama pfRedd]

^^^^ Lol! Look at wolly pretending to be smart, lol!

[Walter]

Jun 25, 2023 15:18:15 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

^^^^ Lol! Look at wolly pretending to be smart, lol!

LOL...You can't even pretend.

[Panama pfRedd]

So wolly does pretend to be smart, just as we already know.

[dilligaf]

Jun 25, 2023 4:23:32 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 24, 2023 17:32:10 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Technically he was charged.
But allowing him to get away with a FELONY while pleading guilty to two misdemeanors is a total joke.

Yeah. Cuz that never happens...dozens, maybe hundreds of times every single day somewhere in America.

And if the defendant had been Donald Trump, Jr., you would be shitting in your Pampers right now.

[dilligaf]

Jun 25, 2023 12:15:58 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 25, 2023 10:04:29 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Walter, if you're ok with not jailing someone that admits lying on a background check form why do you insist background checks should be more stringent? It defeats the purpose of a background check if there is no penalty for providing false information and buying a gun.

First, the purpose of the background check is not just to take the word of the applicant, nor to verify that the information is all correct, but to examine records to ascertain if the applicant is suitable to possess a firearm. Lying on the app is reason to ban the applicant from being allowed to possess a firarm. Prison time is only a secondary remedy.
Sentencing records bear this out.

Second, if you are into jail time as a deterrent, is there any circumstance where a person who commits a felony crime, any felony crime, should not go to prison?

Do you mind producing those sentencing records you claim bear this out?

If you want to reduce "gun crimes," ANYONE who is charged with a gun crime and CAN be convicted as a felon, SHOULD be convicted as a felon, and go to prison.   The gov't must STOP harassing innocent gun owners, and attacking perfectly legal guns simply because of their looks.

[Walter]

Jun 25, 2023 18:56:41 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jun 25, 2023 12:15:58 GMT -5 Walter said:

First, the purpose of the background check is not just to take the word of the applicant, nor to verify that the information is all correct, but to examine records to ascertain if the applicant is suitable to possess a firearm. Lying on the app is reason to ban the applicant from being allowed to possess a firarm. Prison time is only a secondary remedy.
Sentencing records bear this out.

Second, if you are into jail time as a deterrent, is there any circumstance where a person who commits a felony crime, any felony crime, should not go to prison?

Do you mind producing those sentencing records you claim bear this out?

If you want to reduce "gun crimes," ANYONE who is charged with a gun crime and CAN be convicted as a felon, SHOULD be convicted as a felon, and go to prison.   The gov't must STOP harassing innocent gun owners, and attacking perfectly legal guns simply because of their looks.

Here is some data on prosecutions. I am sill looking to find the article on sentencing I saw. Roughly 60% of form liars are even prosecuted, and IIRC from the missing article, in that year, only 12 served time in prison.

This from the WaPo:

In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473 — and filed just 298 cases, according to data extracted from the U.S. attorneys’ case management system. That’s out of approximately 27 million background checks undertaken in a 12-month period.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/09/lying-atf-gun-purchase-form-yields-few-prosecutions-new-data-shows/