Bono (Paul Hewson) Talks About His Faith

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 23, 2022 23:52:44 GMT -5 daleko said:

Dec 23, 2022 23:16:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

St. Paul, a Hebrew scholar/student of Gamaliel, and former Pharisee wrote, "Those who have the Torah will be judged by the Torah," and those who have the Theophany of Christ will be judged by that (Christian) revelation.

And you believe those are the only two options? 

No.  Those are two that I mentioned.

Now, answer the question.

[daleko]

Dec 24, 2022 10:27:48 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 23, 2022 23:52:44 GMT -5 daleko said:

And you believe those are the only two options? 

No.  Those are two that I mentioned.

Now, answer the question.

 The one you wouldn't answer? Yes he was excommunicated. You asked two, so I assumed you meant the Q you wouldn't answer from Harry.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 23, 2022 23:16:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 23, 2022 21:52:28 GMT -5 daleko said:

A closed Q. You want to define the Christian religion shrug.  There are more ancient religions. If size matters, more people believe in astrology in its various forms than Christianity. And it predates Christianity around the globe. The Christians worked harder at spreading around the globe replacing other forms of belief.

You are reducing religion to a mere human construct.

Just to clarify, do you believe in the possibility of a Deity who is capable of interacting with humans?

For example, do you believe that Moses was contacted by a Deity on Mount Sinai-- or that the Torah was simply invented by a man or various men?

Beyond that alleged Hebrew Theophany, do you believe that Christ was an Incarnation of the Deity?

And, incidentally, in the ancient theology of the Church there is a concept that we cannot really know the fate of humanity outside of the Church-- the Theophany of the Christ.

St. Paul, a Hebrew scholar/student of Gamaliel, and former Pharisee wrote, "Those who have the Torah will be judged by the Torah," and those who have the Theophany of Christ will be judged by that (Christian) revelation.

Re-posting the key questions for Daflekto.

[oujour76]

Dec 23, 2022 23:16:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 23, 2022 21:52:28 GMT -5 daleko said:

A closed Q. You want to define the Christian religion shrug.  There are more ancient religions. If size matters, more people believe in astrology in its various forms than Christianity. And it predates Christianity around the globe. The Christians worked harder at spreading around the globe replacing other forms of belief.

You are reducing religion to a mere human construct.

Just to clarify, do you believe in the possibility of a Deity who is capable of interacting with humans?

For example, do you believe that Moses was contacted by a Deity on Mount Sinai-- or that the Torah was simply invented by a man or various men?

Beyond that alleged Hebrew Theophany, do you believe that Christ was an Incarnation of the Deity?

And, incidentally, in the ancient theology of the Church there is a concept that we cannot really know the fate of humanity outside of the Church-- the Theophany of the Christ.

St. Paul, a Hebrew scholar/student of Gamaliel, and former Pharisee wrote, "Those who have the Torah will be judged by the Torah," and those who have the Theophany of Christ will be judged by that (Christian) revelation.

“The” church. What a laugh. BTW, where, exactly, is “the” church HQ’d these days?

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 24, 2022 16:59:47 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Dec 23, 2022 23:16:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

You are reducing religion to a mere human construct.

Just to clarify, do you believe in the possibility of a Deity who is capable of interacting with humans?

For example, do you believe that Moses was contacted by a Deity on Mount Sinai-- or that the Torah was simply invented by a man or various men?

Beyond that alleged Hebrew Theophany, do you believe that Christ was an Incarnation of the Deity?

And, incidentally, in the ancient theology of the Church there is a concept that we cannot really know the fate of humanity outside of the Church-- the Theophany of the Christ.

St. Paul, a Hebrew scholar/student of Gamaliel, and former Pharisee wrote, "Those who have the Torah will be judged by the Torah," and those who have the Theophany of Christ will be judged by that (Christian) revelation.

“The” church. What a laugh. BTW, where, exactly, is “the” church HQ’d these days?

What are the Five Patriarchates of the 2,000 year old Church, Harry?

What are the later autocephalous Patriarchates?

What is Apostolic Succession?

Go back and do your homework.

I can't have an informed conversation with a hairy stooge who flunked Ecclesiastical History 101.

[oujour76]

Dec 25, 2022 12:48:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 24, 2022 16:59:47 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

“The” church. What a laugh. BTW, where, exactly, is “the” church HQ’d these days?

What are the Five Patriarchates of the 2,000 year old Church, Harry?

What are the later autocephalous Patriarchates?

What is Apostolic Succession?

Go back and do your homework.

I can't have an informed conversation with a hairy stooge who flunked Ecclesiastical History 101.

Man-made governing bodies of man-made institutions. Apostolic succession? Plenty of churches claim that, including the Mormons.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 25, 2022 15:39:41 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Dec 25, 2022 12:48:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

What are the Five Patriarchates of the 2,000 year old Church, Harry?

What are the later autocephalous Patriarchates?

What is Apostolic Succession?

Go back and do your homework.

I can't have an informed conversation with a hairy stooge who flunked Ecclesiastical History 101.

Man-made governing bodies of man-made institutions. Apostolic succession? Plenty of churches claim that, including the Mormons.

I realize I'm conversing with an ignoramus, but can you tell us who the 12 Apostles were in the New Testament?

Next question.   Who was Ignatius of Antioch?  Any clue?

[oujour76]

Dec 25, 2022 19:13:00 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 25, 2022 15:39:41 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Man-made governing bodies of man-made institutions. Apostolic succession? Plenty of churches claim that, including the Mormons.

I realize I'm conversing with an ignoramus, but can you tell us who the 12 Apostles were in the New Testament?

Next question.   Who was Ignatius of Antioch?  Any clue?

There are more than 12 disciples identified in the NT.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 25, 2022 19:39:05 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Dec 25, 2022 19:13:00 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I realize I'm conversing with an ignoramus, but can you tell us who the 12 Apostles were in the New Testament?

Next question.   Who was Ignatius of Antioch?  Any clue?

There are more than 12 disciples identified in the NT.

There were the 70, but the 12 main Apostles.

Study their lives in the Orthodox hagiography.  Rectify your ignorance.

And study the hagiography of those whom the Apostles ordained as their successors in the Church-- e.g., Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, Clement of Rome, et.al.

Eusebius gives a detailed account of the Apostolic Succession of the Church in the principal cities of the eastern Roman Empire, from the Apostles to the 4th century.

It's not what you imagined.

[oujour76]

Dec 25, 2022 23:58:38 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 25, 2022 19:39:05 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

There are more than 12 disciples identified in the NT.

There were the 70, but the 12 main Apostles.

Study their lives in the Orthodox hagiography.  Rectify your ignorance.

And study the hagiography of those whom the Apostles ordained as their successors in the Church-- e.g., Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, Clement of Rome, et.al.

Eusebius gives a detailed account of the Apostolic Succession of the Church in the principal cities of the eastern Roman Empire, from the Apostles to the 4th century.

It's not what you imagined.

LOL. Already knew there were 70. And I’m already familiar with the history of Christianity. It’s your arrogance that makes you believe otherwise.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Dec 26, 2022 10:10:58 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Dec 25, 2022 23:58:38 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

There were the 70, but the 12 main Apostles.

Study their lives in the Orthodox hagiography.  Rectify your ignorance.

And study the hagiography of those whom the Apostles ordained as their successors in the Church-- e.g., Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, Clement of Rome, et.al.

Eusebius gives a detailed account of the Apostolic Succession of the Church in the principal cities of the eastern Roman Empire, from the Apostles to the 4th century.

It's not what you imagined.

LOL. Already knew there were 70. And I’m already familiar with the history of Christianity. It’s your arrogance that makes you believe otherwise.

And yet you, apparently, have no knowledge of the Apostolic Succession of the bishoprics and Patriarchates of the Church (in the Orthodox East and Latin West) during the past 2,000 years.

Amazing.

[oujour76]

Dec 26, 2022 10:35:40 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 26, 2022 10:10:58 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

LOL. Already knew there were 70. And I’m already familiar with the history of Christianity. It’s your arrogance that makes you believe otherwise.

And yet you, apparently, have no knowledge of the Apostolic Succession of the bishoprics and Patriarchates of the Church (in the Orthodox East and Latin West) during the past 2,000 years.

Amazing.

Ignorance is your stock in trade. Not mine.

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[Walter]

Dec 24, 2022 12:45:34 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Dec 23, 2022 23:16:22 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

You are reducing religion to a mere human construct.

Just to clarify, do you believe in the possibility of a Deity who is capable of interacting with humans?

For example, do you believe that Moses was contacted by a Deity on Mount Sinai-- or that the Torah was simply invented by a man or various men?

Beyond that alleged Hebrew Theophany, do you believe that Christ was an Incarnation of the Deity?

And, incidentally, in the ancient theology of the Church there is a concept that we cannot really know the fate of humanity outside of the Church-- the Theophany of the Christ.

St. Paul, a Hebrew scholar/student of Gamaliel, and former Pharisee wrote, "Those who have the Torah will be judged by the Torah," and those who have the Theophany of Christ will be judged by that (Christian) revelation.

Re-posting the key questions for Daflekto.

I'll answer.
No. God did not speak to Moses, carve stone or part the sea.
No. Jesus is not an incarnation of a deity.
Bonus answer: God didn't speak to Noah nor has it ever conversed with anyone else that ever lived.
Are we clear?

[DrSchadenfreude]

Jan 4, 2023 19:44:33 GMT -5 Walter said:

Dec 24, 2022 12:45:34 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Re-posting the key questions for Daflekto.

I'll answer.
No. God did not speak to Moses, carve stone or part the sea.
No. Jesus is not an incarnation of a deity.
Bonus answer: God didn't speak to Noah nor has it ever conversed with anyone else that ever lived.
Are we clear?

And you know this how, exactly?

Do tell.

Secondly, do you agree with the implication of your hypothesis that the canonical Gospels and Pauline Epistles are fictional-- i.e., that the Apostles were just making up their alleged witness testimony about the life and resurrection of Christ?