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Post by Walter on Jan 7, 2023 12:27:08 GMT -5
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Wait...Luke was altering pronouns waaay back then? Holy crap! It all makes sense now... (Sorry...couldn't resist. Carry on)
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Post by oujour76 on Jan 7, 2023 14:08:35 GMT -5
You want to now pivot w more Qs. But let us stay on point re Luke. It is accepted that Luke is an interesting writer because he did not know Jesus Christ personally. He became a follower after Christ’s death, when Paul taught him the gospel. you need to bone up a bit. Luke had been a physician, but he left that profession to travel with Paul. even that contention is today being questioned. The patron saint of physicians may not have been one. Anyway, as I have previously noted, it is accepted that Luke never met Christ. But his writings strongly supported that Christ taught that one needed to look to God as the ultimate source of things we need. Not man or any creation of man. Dead wrong. Are you getting your disinformation from the Mormons? St. Luke was one of the two men who met Christ on the road to Emmaus. And you're dead wrong (above) about St. Luke not being a firsthand witness of the history of the founding of the Church, as documented in his book, the Acts of the Apostles.You have even contradicted yourself, by admitting (above) that St Luke knew the Apostle Paul. Another Daleko reductio ad absurdum. Now, answer my original question that you keep dodging-- with lying Harry's help. Are you claiming that Luke's Acts of the Apostles is fiction-- i.e., that Luke was simply making up his detailed history of the first century Church?There you go again. Be happy in your beliefs and let others have theirs without calling them names just because they don’t agree with you.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jan 7, 2023 16:05:47 GMT -5
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked.
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Wait...Luke was altering pronouns waaay back then? Holy crap! It all makes sense now... (Sorry...couldn't resist. Carry on) Walter, Who was Cleopas' companion on the road to Emmaus? Is your argument that the historical narrator would not have used the third person tense and pronoun? Are you not aware that the Apostle John also referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel?
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Post by cbisbig on Jan 7, 2023 16:39:12 GMT -5
Wait...Luke was altering pronouns waaay back then? Holy crap! It all makes sense now... (Sorry...couldn't resist. Carry on) Walter, Who was Cleopas' companion on the road to Emmaus? Is your argument that the historical narrator would not have used the third person tense and pronoun? Are you not aware that the Apostle John also referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel? Can't you tell when you're getting your ass handed to you?
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Post by daleko on Jan 7, 2023 17:21:34 GMT -5
Wait...Luke was altering pronouns waaay back then? Holy crap! It all makes sense now... (Sorry...couldn't resist. Carry on) Walter, Who was Cleopas' companion on the road to Emmaus? Is your argument that the historical narrator would not have used the third person tense and pronoun? Are you not aware that the Apostle John also referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel? LOL. You just don't give up Willie, even when you are misguided.
This event occurred three days after the crucifiction. Certainly before the Ascension. Luke became a follower of Christ after the crucifiction AND AFTER Paul taught him. Paul's conversion occurred 4–7 years after the crucifixion of Jesus. Obviously Luke followed Paul. It wasn't Luke. His conversion was still 4-7 years in the future. He never knowingly met Christ. Nor did Paul.
The second individual remains unnamed. Though beyond many suggest because she was at the cross, it was Mary, the wife of Cleopas. I could lead down the path of why most suggest it was her and the logical reason why they were even on that path but like leading you to water I can't make you drink the water of the knowledge I offer.
And that's IF the narration is real and not a narrative that is not necessarily meant to be taken literally. It's about a journey of faith. It is an example used to perceive Christian spiritual growth and a model for a Christians' own journey to a deeper faith and as an instrument to help others on the same journey.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jan 7, 2023 18:00:42 GMT -5
The 2,000 year old Apostolic tradition of the Church is that St. Luke and Cleopas were the two disciples who encountered Christ on the road to Emmaus shortly after Crist's Resurrection. What Daleko, Harry, and C-Biscuit don't know is that the teachings and traditions of the Apostles and the Church pre-dated the written scriptures (Pauline Epistles and Gospels) that were later canonized by the Orthodox Church as the "Bible." The Church is older than the Bible it canonized in the 4th century. The scriptures also reference some of these Apostolic traditions, while instructing Christians to "hold fast to the traditions" of the Apostles-- a scriptural dictum that Martin Luther and the Protestants ignored. There are many important Apostolic traditions that pre-date the writing and canonization of the New Testament scriptures-- including the eucharistic liturgy of St. James, (the elder step-brother of Christ, and first bishop of the Church in Jerusalem) the sign of the cross, commemoration of the holy places (Church of the Nativity, Holy Sepuchre, Mount of Olives, etc.) Among the oldest branches of the ancient Eastern Orthodox Church are the Ethiopians (and Coptic Alexandrians in Egypt.) Here is the ancient Ethiopian Orthodox liturgical tradition commemorating St. Luke and Cleopas on the Road to Emmaus-- Third Sunday After Pascha. The Road to Emmaus - የኤማሁስ መንገደኞች - Third Sunday after Resurrection [Tensae] The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church celebrates third Sunday after Tensae to commemorate the history of Saint Luke and Cleopas on the road to Emmaus. www.keraneyo-medhanealem.com/post/on-the-road-to-emmaus-%E1%8A%A4%E1%88%9B%E1%88%81%E1%88%B5 The two Apostles who went to Emmaus, were Luke, who wrote the Gospel, and Cleopas, who was the brother of St. Joseph the Betrothed. Saint Luke being humble, didn't mentioned his own name when he wrote about the road to Emmaus, but he put the name of Cleopas. When they started the road to Emmaus they were very discouraged and heavy hearted from what happened to the Lord in Jerusalem but still had faith and love to their Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos.
Luke 24:13-23 “13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done. 22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; 23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.” The day was far spent, the sun was setting, and they were tired, but they made haste to go back as soon as they found out it was our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos who was talking with them. The two Apostles didn't want to spend one single night without witnessing the good news. It is the Resurrection of Our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos that ultimately makes the Gospel “Good News”. The Resurrection of Our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos is the very foundation and hope of Christianity and affirms our belief in the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. 1 Corinthians 15:14-21 “14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.” Our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos alone rose from the dead, but He has destroyed death and its finality. Before the resurrection of Our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos, all the dead would go to Sheol (place of darkness and death) whether they were righteous or not. After Our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos was laid in the tomb, He descended into Sheol and broke the bonds of Satan and death and let out all the children of Adam therein. God sent His Son to save the whole person-both body and soul. Therefore, the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church teaches that all mankind shall rise from the dead at the Final Judgment. Even though we all will meet death and will be laid in the grave, the day is coming when the trump of God shall sound and the dead shall rise and be presented before Our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos as a full person, with a body and soul. John 5:28-29 “28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” Apostle Saint Luke:
After the Resurrection, Our Lord and Savior Eyesus Kristos appeared to Saint Luke and Cleopas on the road to Emmaus.
St. Luke was a companion of the holy Apostle Paul. (2 Timothy 4:11)
St Luke painted the first icons of the Mother of God, this Icon is now located at Gishon Maryam in Ethiopia
St Luke’s Gospel was written in the years 62-63 A. D at Rome.
St Luke also wrote the Acts of the Holy Apostles at Rome around 62-63 A.D
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jan 7, 2023 18:14:43 GMT -5
And from the ancient Church Patriarchate of Antioch in Syria-- one of the five ancient (and current) Patriarchates of the Church (viz., Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, and Rome.)
Walking with Luke on the Road to Emmaus blogs.ancientfaith.com/asd/2015/10/20/walking-with-luke-on-the-road-to-emmaus/Feast of the Apostle and Evangelist Luke, October 18, 2015 Colossians 4:5-11, 14-18; Luke 10:16-21 Rev. Fr. Andrew Stephen DamickIn the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, one God. Amen.On the eighteenth of October we celebrate the holy apostle and evangelist Luke. His is one of those names we often hear in our services, but we may not know him unless we have taken the time to learn about him. Because today is his feast day, I wanted us to spend a little time getting to know him.Luke wrote the third Gospel account, which is why he is called “the Evangelist” and which we begin reading from regularly in our services beginning in the latter part of September, and he also wrote the Acts of the Apostles, which functions as a kind of sequel to his Gospel. And that is probably why his name is most familiar to us. He may also be familiar to us as the first Christian iconographer, who painted at least one and possibly more icons of the Virgin Mary. He is thus often depicted as an iconographer, and he is the patron saint of iconographers.Luke is one of the Apostles, but he is not one of the Twelve. He was not one of those close followers of Jesus. He knew Jesus personally, however, and was present at much of his teaching and his miracles. And when Jesus sent out Seventy Apostles (Luke 10:1) to preach the Gospel before His passion, two by two, Luke was among them. And as we heard in the Gospel reading today, the Seventy not only preached in Jesus’ name but even found that demons were subject to their prayers. And when they rejoiced in that miracle, Jesus told them that their rejoicing was best expressed not because of the exorcisms but because their names were written in heaven (Luke 10).
Luke was not a Jew, but rather a Greek from Antioch who heard of the teaching of Jesus and responded to Him by traveling from Antioch to Galilee. He was an educated man and a physician by trade, which makes him the patron saint also of doctors. He is called by Paul “the beloved physician” in our epistle reading for today from Colossians 4. Paul knew him well, because Luke journeyed with him and helped him in his missionary journeys. So his connection with Paul also connects him to us, since we have Paul as our patron.
He is also one of the two disciples encountered by Jesus on the road to Emmaus, along with St. Cleopas, another of the Seventy. And because we worship here in a town named for that original Emmaus, we have another connection with Luke. And it’s that connection that I would like to focus on especially today.
Christ’s encounter with Luke and Cleopas on the road to Emmaus is described by Luke himself in the twenty-fourth chapter of his Gospel. If you come to Matins on Sunday, you will have heard it many times. The Sunday Matins Gospels generally rotate through eleven different Gospels describing incidents after the resurrection of Jesus. The one with Christ on the road to Emmaus is the fifth one in the series.In this Gospel Jesus comes upon Luke and Cleopas on the road from Jerusalem to Emmaus, and He sees that they are sad. They do not recognize Him when they see Him. He asks them why they are sad, and they ask Him whether He is a stranger in Jerusalem and does not know about what happened to Jesus of Nazareth, Who had been condemned to death and crucified. They had hoped that He would be the One to redeem Israel. And they also said that some women of their company had amazed them, telling stories of seeing Jesus alive. And they tried to confirm the story, but they did not see Him themselves.Jesus scolds them for their unbelief in the resurrection, and He begins to explain to them the meaning of the Old Testament prophecies concerning Himself.They draw near to Emmaus, to the house which tradition says was the house of Cleopas, and since it was getting late, they invite Jesus to come and stay and eat with them. He comes into the house with them, and as they were sitting at the table, He broke bread and blessed it and gave it to them. Immediately, their eyes were opened, they recognized Him for Who He was, and He suddenly vanished out of their sight.They testified how their hearts had “burned” within them while He had been talking to them on the road. And they immediately got up, went back to Jerusalem, and told the other disciples what they had seen, especially how He was made known to them in the breaking of the bread.There are several things for us to note in this encounter between Jesus and today’s saint, Luke, along with Cleopas. One was that they did not recognize Him when they saw Him. Both had seen Him before, of course, before the passion. The Scriptures say that “their eyes were kept from recognizing Him.” Was it because Jesus hid His identity in some way? Was it because they were focused on their own sadness and not on their love for God? The text does not say, but we do know that they were overcome with this feeling of calamity and that they were in a sense separated from true oneness with Jesus.And this is an experience that we ourselves often have. We can be in the presence of Jesus, perhaps here in Church or somewhere else, and yet remain disconnected. It could be because God has decided to withdraw our sense of His presence so that we might reach more earnestly toward Him. Or it could be that we are so self-focused that we do not see Who is in front of us.Jesus then begins to interpret the Scripture for them. They hadn’t made the connection between all the prophecies that they knew from the Old Testament and this Jesus of Nazareth Whom they knew in the flesh. And when He died, they thought that was the end, the end of their hope for redemption.We also often fail to make the connection between what is going on in our lives and the redemption that Christ brings for us, and it is often because of our ignorance of the Scriptures and the teaching of the Church. We do not understand, because we have not prepared ourselves to understand. And so Jesus might say to us as He does to them: “O foolish men, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!”But see how Jesus is still merciful and loving to them. He journeys with them. He stays with them.But then, the most powerful moment in this encounter: Jesus blesses the bread, breaks it and gives it to them. And then they see and believe.This is a Eucharistic moment. This same sequence occurs for us every time we celebrate the Divine Liturgy together. The bread is blessed, broken and given to us. And we encounter the living, resurrected Christ, touching Him with our own bodies, receiving Him so that our hearts may also “burn within us” not only as we receive that Eucharist but also as we have the Scriptures explained to us, explained in such a way that they reveal Christ.This revelation of the risen Jesus Christ that St. Luke received centuries ago and which he recorded for us himself is the same revelation available to us now, if we will open our hearts, see and believe.We also can walk with the risen Jesus Christ. We also can hear from Him all the things in the Scriptures concerning Him. We also can know Him for Who He is in the Eucharistic blessing and breaking and eating of the bread. Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, has made Himself available to us. God is not “out there” somewhere. We do not have to walk and be sad and self-focused like Luke and Cleopas, giving up all hope for happiness, for love, for goodness to win and evil to be defeated, for an end to suffering and pain—we can instead see Him and know Him and experience His warmth and closeness to us, as it was witnessed to us by the Apostle Luke.And we have the beautiful blessing of being reminded of that wonderful encounter every time we remember the name of the place where we are right now.To our Lord Jesus Christ be all glory, honor and worship, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jan 7, 2023 19:16:39 GMT -5
Walter, Who was Cleopas' companion on the road to Emmaus? Is your argument that the historical narrator would not have used the third person tense and pronoun? Are you not aware that the Apostle John also referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel? Can't you tell when you're getting your ass handed to you? C-Biscuit, Let me help you out here, because you, obviously, don't understand what is being discussed. 1) First of all, Daleko argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness of the historical events that he wrote about in his Acts of the Apostles. This is patently false. Even Daleko, himself, later admitted that St. Luke had been a companion of St. Paul. 2) Daleko also argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness and companion of Christ and his disciples. This is also false. He was one of the 70. (I think Daleko must have heard this nonsense in the Mormon "church" of Moroni. He's not citing his "sources.") 3) Walter falsely claimed that the New Testament scriptures were written after the first century by non-witnesses. Complete poppycock! All of the canonical Gospels were written in the first century A.D. by firsthand witnesses. Helmut Koester at Harvard and other modern philologists (even Bart Ehrman) date the Synoptic Gospels to 70 A.D. at the latest. St. Paul's Epistles were written from 46 to 64 A.D. St. Luke's historical Acts of the Apostles ends in 64 A.D. with the death of St. Paul in Rome. 4) Walter argued sarcastically that St. Luke would not have referred to himself in the third person. Walter doesn't know that St. John repeatedly referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel, as "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Third person singular. 5) Harry argued that Daleko's hogwash was correct. Now, tell us where I got my ass handed to me. Geez...
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Post by cbisbig on Jan 7, 2023 19:56:22 GMT -5
Can't you tell when you're getting your ass handed to you? C-Biscuit, Let me help you out here, because you, obviously, don't understand what is being discussed. 1) First of all, Daleko argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness of the historical events that he wrote about in his Acts of the Apostles. This is patently false. Even Daleko, himself, later admitted that St. Luke had been a companion of St. Paul. 2) Daleko also argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness and companion of Christ and his disciples. This is also false. He was one of the 70. (I think Daleko must have heard this nonsense in the Mormon "church" of Moroni. He's not citing his "sources.") 3) Walter falsely claimed that the New Testament scriptures were written after the first century by non-witnesses. Complete poppycock! All of the canonical Gospels were written in the first century A.D. by firsthand witnesses. Helmut Koester at Harvard and other modern philologists (even Bart Ehrman) date the Synoptic Gospels to 70 A.D. at the latest. St. Paul's Epistles were written from 46 to 64 A.D. St. Luke's historical Acts of the Apostles ends in 64 A.D. with the death of St. Paul in Rome. 4) Walter argued sarcastically that St. Luke would not have referred to himself in the third person. Walter doesn't know that St. John repeatedly referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel, as "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Third person singular. 5) Harry argued that Daleko's hogwash was correct. Now, tell us where I got my ass handed to me. Geez... They (Daleko/Harry) are smarter and more credible than you, also neither has a rep for being a liar..so...
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jan 7, 2023 20:42:19 GMT -5
C-Biscuit, Let me help you out here, because you, obviously, don't understand what is being discussed. 1) First of all, Daleko argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness of the historical events that he wrote about in his Acts of the Apostles. This is patently false. Even Daleko, himself, later admitted that St. Luke had been a companion of St. Paul. 2) Daleko also argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness and companion of Christ and his disciples. This is also false. He was one of the 70. (I think Daleko must have heard this nonsense in the Mormon "church" of Moroni. He's not citing his "sources.") 3) Walter falsely claimed that the New Testament scriptures were written after the first century by non-witnesses. Complete poppycock! All of the canonical Gospels were written in the first century A.D. by firsthand witnesses. Helmut Koester at Harvard and other modern philologists (even Bart Ehrman) date the Synoptic Gospels to 70 A.D. at the latest. St. Paul's Epistles were written from 46 to 64 A.D. St. Luke's historical Acts of the Apostles ends in 64 A.D. with the death of St. Paul in Rome. 4) Walter argued sarcastically that St. Luke would not have referred to himself in the third person. Walter doesn't know that St. John repeatedly referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel, as "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Third person singular. 5) Harry argued that Daleko's hogwash was correct. Now, tell us where I got my ass handed to me. Geez... They (Daleko/Harry) are smarter and more credible than you, also neither has a rep for being a liar..so... Geez, Horse Paste...unreal... No wonder you're a Trump MAGAt. Harry is a serial liar. Always has been. If you think either of those guys is "smarter and more credible" than I am, you're even more clueless than I thought.
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Post by cbisbig on Jan 7, 2023 20:49:17 GMT -5
They (Daleko/Harry) are smarter and more credible than you, also neither has a rep for being a liar..so... Geez, Horse Paste...unreal... No wonder you're a Trump MAGAt. Harry is a serial liar. Always has been. If you think either of those guys is "smarter and more credible" than I am, you're even more clueless than I thought. Thats all you got Rocketman?
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Jan 7, 2023 21:21:15 GMT -5
Geez, Horse Paste...unreal... No wonder you're a Trump MAGAt. Harry is a serial liar. Always has been. If you think either of those guys is "smarter and more credible" than I am, you're even more clueless than I thought. Thats all you got Rocketman? Hey, dumb ass, let's hear your response to my exact outline of the debate specifics (above.) I should know better than to argue with a guy who is clueless enough to think Harry and Daleko are honest and credible. It's like arguing with a guy who takes horse paste to treat COVID-19.
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Post by oujour76 on Jan 7, 2023 21:39:59 GMT -5
They (Daleko/Harry) are smarter and more credible than you, also neither has a rep for being a liar..so... Geez, Horse Paste...unreal... No wonder you're a Trump MAGAt. Harry is a serial liar. Always has been. If you think either of those guys is "smarter and more credible" than I am, you're even more clueless than I thought. LOL. Sure thing, Skippy. Ever the legend in your own mind.
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Post by daleko on Jan 8, 2023 0:02:58 GMT -5
Can't you tell when you're getting your ass handed to you? C-Biscuit, Let me help you out here, because you, obviously, don't understand what is being discussed. 1) First of all, Daleko argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness of the historical events that he wrote about in his Acts of the Apostles. This is patently false. Even Daleko, himself, later admitted that St. Luke had been a companion of St. Paul. 2) Daleko also argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness and companion of Christ and his disciples. This is also false. He was one of the 70. (I think Daleko must have heard this nonsense in the Mormon "church" of Moroni. He's not citing his "sources.") 3) Walter falsely claimed that the New Testament scriptures were written after the first century by non-witnesses. Complete poppycock! All of the canonical Gospels were written in the first century A.D. by firsthand witnesses. Helmut Koester at Harvard and other modern philologists (even Bart Ehrman) date the Synoptic Gospels to 70 A.D. at the latest. St. Paul's Epistles were written from 46 to 64 A.D. St. Luke's historical Acts of the Apostles ends in 64 A.D. with the death of St. Paul in Rome. 4) Walter argued sarcastically that St. Luke would not have referred to himself in the third person. Walter doesn't know that St. John repeatedly referred to himself in the third person in his Gospel, as "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Third person singular. 5) Harry argued that Daleko's hogwash was correct. Now, tell us where I got my ass handed to me. Geez... #1 untrue. You are conflating different things. Luke never knowingly met Christ. Paul never met the living Christ. Period. Paul converted well after the death of Christ and Luke followed Paul. But believe as you wish. The EO was dismissed from the main branch in1054 so they are indeed old, the second oldest Christian man made religion, beyond that I’ll zip it.
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Post by cbisbig on Jan 8, 2023 8:03:27 GMT -5
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