Bono (Paul Hewson) Talks About His Faith

[cbisbig]

Jan 7, 2023 20:42:19 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jan 7, 2023 19:56:22 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

They (Daleko/Harry) are smarter and more credible than you, also neither has a rep for being a liar..so...

Geez, Horse Paste...unreal...

No wonder you're a Trump MAGAt.

Harry is a serial liar.  Always has been.

If you think either of those guys is "smarter and more credible" than I am, you're even more clueless than I thought.

Seems to me, you're the clueless one😉

[oujour76]

Jan 8, 2023 8:08:42 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jan 7, 2023 20:42:19 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Geez, Horse Paste...unreal...

No wonder you're a Trump MAGAt.

Harry is a serial liar.  Always has been.

If you think either of those guys is "smarter and more credible" than I am, you're even more clueless than I thought.

Seems to me, you're the clueless one😉

Not only clueless, but insecure. Shows it every day with his overbearing arrogance. You struck a nerve with him.

[cbisbig]

Jan 8, 2023 10:15:30 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Jan 8, 2023 8:08:42 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Seems to me, you're the clueless one😉

Not only clueless, but insecure. Shows it every day with his overbearing arrogance. You struck a nerve with him.

Mission accomplished😎

[DrSchadenfreude]

Jan 7, 2023 19:16:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jan 7, 2023 16:39:12 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Can't you tell when you're getting your ass handed to you?

C-Biscuit,

     Let me help you out here, because you, obviously, don't understand what is being discussed.

     
1)   First of all, Daleko argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness of the historical events that he wrote about in his Acts of the Apostles.  This is patently false.
      Even Daleko, himself, later admitted that St. Luke had been a companion of St. Paul.

2)   Daleko also argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness and companion of Christ and his disciples.  This is also false.  He was one of the 70.
      (I think Daleko must have heard this nonsense in the Mormon "church" of Moroni. He's not citing his "sources.")

3)   Walter falsely claimed that the New Testament scriptures were written after the first century by non-witnesses.  Complete poppycock!
       All of the canonical Gospels were written in the first century A.D. by firsthand witnesses.
       Helmut Koester at Harvard and other modern philologists (even Bart Ehrman) date the Synoptic Gospels to 70 A.D. at the latest.
       St. Paul's Epistles were written from 46 to 64 A.D.
       St. Luke's historical Acts of the Apostles ends in 64 A.D. with the death of St. Paul in Rome.

4)   Walter argued sarcastically that St. Luke would not have referred to himself in the third person.  Walter doesn't know that St. John repeatedly referred to himself in the third person
      in his Gospel, as "the disciple whom Jesus loved."  Third person singular.

5)    Harry argued that Daleko's hogwash was correct.


       Now, tell us where I got my ass handed to me.  Geez... 


      

The ball is in your court, fellas.

Stop changing the subject.

[cbisbig]

Jan 8, 2023 11:32:32 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jan 7, 2023 19:16:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

C-Biscuit,

     Let me help you out here, because you, obviously, don't understand what is being discussed.

     
1)   First of all, Daleko argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness of the historical events that he wrote about in his Acts of the Apostles.  This is patently false.
      Even Daleko, himself, later admitted that St. Luke had been a companion of St. Paul.

2)   Daleko also argued that St. Luke was not a firsthand witness and companion of Christ and his disciples.  This is also false.  He was one of the 70.
      (I think Daleko must have heard this nonsense in the Mormon "church" of Moroni. He's not citing his "sources.")

3)   Walter falsely claimed that the New Testament scriptures were written after the first century by non-witnesses.  Complete poppycock!
       All of the canonical Gospels were written in the first century A.D. by firsthand witnesses.
       Helmut Koester at Harvard and other modern philologists (even Bart Ehrman) date the Synoptic Gospels to 70 A.D. at the latest.
       St. Paul's Epistles were written from 46 to 64 A.D.
       St. Luke's historical Acts of the Apostles ends in 64 A.D. with the death of St. Paul in Rome.

4)   Walter argued sarcastically that St. Luke would not have referred to himself in the third person.  Walter doesn't know that St. John repeatedly referred to himself in the third person
      in his Gospel, as "the disciple whom Jesus loved."  Third person singular.

5)    Harry argued that Daleko's hogwash was correct.


       Now, tell us where I got my ass handed to me.  Geez... 


      

The ball is in your court, fellas.

Stop changing the subject.

You need this probably more than anyone here.

billygraham.org/

[daleko]

Jan 8, 2023 11:32:32 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jan 7, 2023 19:16:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

The ball is in your court, fellas.

Stop changing the subject.

I said all I needed to say. Paul and Luke never met the human Christ. Period. As such he was not a first hand witness to anything Christ did. Period. Whatever else they wrote about, that they were a first hand witness to, it didn't involve the living and human Christ. Don't pivot from that point. Are you saying Paul and Luke met the human Christ?

A simple yes or no.

I've told you who walked home to Emmaus w Cleopas. His wife. Clopas was the younger brother of Joseph, the husband of Mary and foster father of Jesus.  Cleopas was Mary’s brother-in-law. This would explain why Mary the wife of Cleopas was standing by the cross. She was trying to comfort her sister-in-law. You thicken she wouldn't walk back the 7 miles home w her husband? 7 miles by herself?

You want to cite some EO adds to the Bible, <shrug>. We have nothing to discuss. The Book of EO/Mormon indeed. 99% of the Christian world believe what I have told you. The local Greek EOs think you've been dipping in too much sauce.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Jan 10, 2023 23:33:49 GMT -5 daleko said:

Jan 8, 2023 11:32:32 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

The ball is in your court, fellas.

Stop changing the subject.

I said all I needed to say. Paul and Luke never met the human Christ. Period. As such he was not a first hand witness to anything Christ did. Period. Whatever else they wrote about, that they were a first hand witness to, it didn't involve the living and human Christ. Don't pivot from that point. Are you saying Paul and Luke met the human Christ?

What is your source for this false claim about Luke?

Do tell.